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[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:

[quote]Dr.Matt581 wrote:
We don’t know that Trayvon was “minding his own business.” For all we know, he was casing houses to rob. [/quote]

And you based this on what? On Zimmerfuck’s racial prejudices and profiling?

Fucking great.
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No, based on the fact that we do not know what happened. Zimmerman is the only person who was there to witness it that is still alive, so well likely never know for sure what Trayvon was doing. He could have been casing houses and he could have been minding his own business, or any number of things. I don’t pretend to know things just because I want them to be true.

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[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

Well, the response is going to be that Zimmerman was no longer a threat.

I am still not sure what world someone lives in where the threat of death is over simply because the killer chasing you turned around and faced south.

This was a gated community. Assuming the worst, first why would someone go straight home if being followed? I wouldn’t. Anyone who has watched ANY police tv show knows not to do this…yet for some reason the rules don’t apply here?

This kid was chased. For most people I know, that means your life is at risk. If you are in a CONFINED AREA like a gated community, the threat is increased because there is a limited area for your attacker to be in.

I am not sure why some see Trayvon as the threat here when the kid had no reason to think anything positive about an unidentified man following and then chasing him.

They were too far from Zimmerman’s car for that to even be a factor.

I could see using the “no more threat” response if Zimmerman had driven off…but that didn’t happen.[/quote]

I’m a woman with years of experience in combat/martial arts, but hell, I still hurry my pace if I notice someone strange is following me at night. That fucker right there wants to cause me some harm. I will not give him that opportunity.

And if I have to run, I will. Reasons:

Uno: If he gains on me, I may not be able to take him down as swiftly as I thought I could and, he might end up doing naughty/nasty stuff to me;

Dos: I may take him down but also end up fucking killing him with the weapon he planned to used on me;

Tres - I got to catch my favourite TV show.

But seriously, No matter how confident I feel about defending myself, I still feel threatened being stalked by a fucking nutter.

Trayvon must have been shit worried about the suspicious cunt following him that night. He was the one who truly felt threatened. But nah, some will not see it that way.
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“Feeling threatened” is not the mindset of someone who intentionally confronts a possible attacker after they’ve given up the chase. If he felt threatened, he would have called the police and/or ran home.

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[quote]TigerTime wrote:

“Feeling threatened” is not the mindset of someone who intentionally confronts a possible attacker after they’ve given up the chase. If he felt threatened, he would have called the police and/or ran home. [/quote]

Bullshit. Why would someone think the chase was over if the guy is still there? WTF? Further, maybe YOU wouldn’t meet your attacker head on, but that doesn’t mean everyone would do the same.

LOL at ignoring “fight or flight”.

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[quote]Dr.Matt581 wrote:

[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:

[quote]Dr.Matt581 wrote:
We don’t know that Trayvon was “minding his own business.” For all we know, he was casing houses to rob. [/quote]

And you based this on what? On Zimmerfuck’s racial prejudices and profiling?

Fucking great.
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No, based on the fact that we do not know what happened. Zimmerman is the only person who was there to witness it that is still alive, so well likely never know for sure what Trayvon was doing. He could have been casing houses and he could have been minding his own business, or any number of things. I don’t pretend to know things just because I want them to be true. [/quote]

He was walking back home from the store. Not casing houses to rob.

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[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

Well, the response is going to be that Zimmerman was no longer a threat.

I am still not sure what world someone lives in where the threat of death is over simply because the killer chasing you turned around and faced south.

This was a gated community. Assuming the worst, first why would someone go straight home if being followed? I wouldn’t. Anyone who has watched ANY police tv show knows not to do this…yet for some reason the rules don’t apply here?

This kid was chased. For most people I know, that means your life is at risk. If you are in a CONFINED AREA like a gated community, the threat is increased because there is a limited area for your attacker to be in.

I am not sure why some see Trayvon as the threat here when the kid had no reason to think anything positive about an unidentified man following and then chasing him.

They were too far from Zimmerman’s car for that to even be a factor.

I could see using the “no more threat” response if Zimmerman had driven off…but that didn’t happen.[/quote]

I’m a woman with years of experience in combat/martial arts, but hell, I still hurry my pace if I notice someone strange is following me at night. That fucker right there wants to cause me some harm. I will not give him that opportunity.

And if I have to run, I will. Reasons:

Uno: If he gains on me, I may not be able to take him down as swiftly as I thought I could and, he might end up doing naughty/nasty stuff to me;

Dos: I may take him down but also end up fucking killing him with the weapon he planned to used on me;

Tres - I got to catch my favourite TV show.

But seriously, No matter how confident I feel about defending myself, I still feel threatened being stalked by a fucking nutter.

Trayvon must have been shit worried about the suspicious cunt following him that night. He was the one who truly felt threatened. But nah, some will not see it that way.
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That is great that you would act that way. That doesn’t mean Trayvon did. People react differently than others to similar situations. In that same situation, I would have hid and waited for Zimmerman to leave and then called the cops and stayed hidden until the police arrived, or if I was unable to hide I would have ran. It is very hard to hit a fast moving target at night in the rain with a small pistol like what Zimmerman had. And I agree that Trayvon may have been scared, but that doesn’t really change the lack of evidence needed to convict Zimmerman.

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Can we just sum this shit up? I think I can.

Either Zimmer-moron continued pursuing Trayvon (God I’m starting to hate that name) and deserves something between manslaughter or murder for causing him to feel threatened enough to turn and fight, which it doesn’t look like (especially the murder one, seeing as how even an idiot murderer shouldn’t get as hurt as Zimmer-moron did), or he stopped pursuit as he said, in which case Trayvon must have escalated things to violence BEYOND any “stand your ground” rules, which exonerates Zimmer-moron.

It has to be one of those scenarios.

THERE. THAT’S IT. DONE.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]TigerTime wrote:

Because he turned around and went the other way, perhaps? (assuming that’s what happened.)[/quote]

?
It was a confined area. Why would it matter if he simply turned the other way?

Let me ask…if you are in enemy territory and your enemy is looking for you, the threat is over because he turned left?

LOL

What fantasy world is this? The threat would only be gone if Zimmerman LEFT THE AREA IN HIS CAR, which he did not do.

Without knowing exactly where Zimmerman was and what he was doing and watching him go away completely, no one in their right mind would think “oh, the threat is over because he simply turned his back to me”.

That ain’t reality, guy. People seem to be playing games by acting like it is human nature to think otherwise.

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I get why you wouldn’t just brush off someone chasing you, but then again, turning around and pursuing your pursuer isn’t exactly a risk-free decision either. [/quote]

Risk free? That ended the moment someone started chasing him. That is why it is called FIGHT OR FLIGHT…and guess what, it is a natural instinct meaning your body is designed to be prepped for either one should life be at risk.

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All I’m saying is, assuming Zimmerman really did turn around and head back towards his car, he was no longer a threat to the extent that Trayvon didn’t backtrack. [/quote]

? Once again, you are only not a threat if you DRIVE THE FUCK OFF AND GO FAR AWAY. Turning left doesn’t do that.

Now, are we done pretending or are some of you really going to keep acting like turning left means an attacker is no longer a threat?[/quote]

Because it means he gave up. Would he “re-pursue” if he saw Trayvon again? I wouldn’t doubt it, but that line of reasoning justifies doing the exact opposite of what Trayvon did.

You said it yourself, Zimmerman stops being a threat after he is far away. Well, he wasn’t the only one in this situation with the ability to put more distance between the two of them, but that’s not what happened. Trayvon actually went out of his way to confront Zimmerman.

After Zimmerman lost sight of Trayvon, Trayvon had a choice:

A) Take advantage of this situation and GTFO of there, or
B) Squander this opportunity to get out of a potentially dangerous situation, confront his peruser and proceed to beat the shit out of him.

You are responsible for your own safety. Sometimes your decisions aren’t enough to guarantee this, but in this case they absolutely were. Trayvon simply decided to not guarantee his own safety and for that, he is responsible for his own death.

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[quote]Dr.Matt581 wrote:

That is great that you would act that way. That doesn’t mean Trayvon did. People react differently than others to similar situations. In that same situation, I would have hid and waited for Zimmerman to leave and then called the cops and stayed hidden until the police arrived, or if I was unable to hide I would have ran. It is very hard to hit a fast moving target at night in the rain with a small pistol like what Zimmerman had. And I agree that Trayvon may have been scared, but that doesn’t really change the lack of evidence needed to convict Zimmerman. [/quote]

Trayvon was unable to hide and he DID run. Zimmfucks said so in the 911 tapes. Trayvon’s girlfriend said she heard him running during the phone convo and then he was cornered by Zimfuck before hearing them struggle. Only after she revealed this that the racist fuck changed his version of events.

Zimmfucks’s story has undergone more revisions than Mickey Rourke’s face that it’s now so ridiculous. You’ll believe he followed Trayvon, gave up and turned around before being jumped on by the boy. I’ll believe the cunt chased Trayvon, cornered him and there was a struggle ending up with Tray’s death. Let’s agree to disagree on this then.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]TigerTime wrote:

“Feeling threatened” is not the mindset of someone who intentionally confronts a possible attacker after they’ve given up the chase. If he felt threatened, he would have called the police and/or ran home. [/quote]

Bullshit. Why would someone think the chase was over if the guy is still there? WTF? Further, maybe YOU wouldn’t meet your attacker head on, but that doesn’t mean everyone would do the same.

LOL at ignoring “fight or flight”.[/quote]

“fight or flight” =/= “Flight”… in the same direction as a former peruser so you can “fight” him. That’s not how that works.

When Zimmerman was following him, that can be seen as a fight or flight situation assuming Zimmerman really scared the hell out of Trayvon. Going after him after you lose sight of each other is a concious decision. It is in no way a “fight or flight” reaction.

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[quote]TigerTime wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

I am still not sure what world someone lives in where the threat of death is over simply because the killer chasing you turned around and faced south.
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… You mean besides the part where they’re no longer perusing you? [/quote]

Again more maybes. But it seems that is all is needed.

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[quote]Thuggish wrote:
Can we just sum this shit up? I think I can.

Either Zimmer-moron continued pursuing Trayvon (God I’m starting to hate that name) and deserves something between manslaughter or murder for causing him to feel threatened enough to turn and fight, which it doesn’t look like (especially the murder one, seeing as how even an idiot murderer shouldn’t get as hurt as Zimmer-moron did), or he stopped pursuit as he said, in which case Trayvon must have escalated things to violence BEYOND any “stand your ground” rules, which exonerates Zimmer-moron.

It has to be one of those scenarios.

THERE. THAT’S IT. DONE.[/quote]

Even a idot murderer shouldn’t get as hurt as Zim-Moron did? But a person going home from the store and is killed in the street is a victimless crime.

I believe Zim will get off but not because any evidence validates him. He will walk because reasonable doubt is a question around when they stood face to face.

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[quote]four60 wrote:

[quote]TigerTime wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

I am still not sure what world someone lives in where the threat of death is over simply because the killer chasing you turned around and faced south.
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… You mean besides the part where they’re no longer perusing you? [/quote]

Again more maybes. But it seems that is all is needed.[/quote]

I am still trying to understand how ‘turning around’ equals ‘not pursuing you anymore’. The man was still on the same street as Trayvon meaning the threat was still there.

It makes no sense to say the threat was gone unless he drove away.

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I like how people openly lie in furtherance of their incitement of racist attacks and murders.

'(T)he Miami Herald reported that there were “multiple suspensions” on Trayvon’s record. Even more important, the Miami Herald article reports "In October, a school police investigator said he saw Trayvon on the school surveillance camera in an unauthorized area ‘hiding and being suspicious.’ Then he said he saw Trayvon mark up a door with ‘W.T.F’ - an acronym for ‘what the f-.’ The officer said he found Trayvon the next day and went through his book bag in search of the graffiti marker.

“Instead the officer reported he found women’s jewelry and a screwdriver that he described as a ‘burglary tool,’ according to a Miami-Dade Schools Police report obtained by The Miami Herald.”

“Trayvon’s backpack contained 12 pieces of jewelry, in addition to a watch and a large flathead screwdriver, according to the report, which described silver wedding bands and earrings with diamonds.”

So we know he’s a thief.

“Trayvon was asked if the jewelry belonged to his family or a girlfriend.”

“‘Martin replied it’s not mine. A friend gave it to me,’ he responded, according to the report. Trayvon declined to name the friend.”

So we know he’s a liar and stupid.

“Trayvon was not disciplined because of the discovery, but was instead suspended for graffiti, according to the report. School police impounded the jewelry and sent photos of the items to detectives at Miami-Dade police for further investigation.”

So we know he was under police investigation.

This revelation is extremely important when you consider that George Zimmerman claimed to have seen Trayvon casing homes in the neighborhood for future burglaries. Trayvon had “burglary tools” and women’s diamond earings and wedding bands, which were burglarized from somewhere.

And we know that Zimmerman is obviously good at spotting criminals. Trayvon was suspended from school three times for his increasingly anti-social behaviour. His twitter account makes reference to him assaulting a bus driver. Drug use, theft, violence, vandalism, truancy, police investigation etc.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
I am still trying to understand how ‘turning around’ equals ‘not pursuing you anymore’. The man was still on the same street as Trayvon meaning the threat was still there.
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Pursue:
Follow (someone or something) to catch or attack them.
Seek to form a sexual relationship with (someone) in a persistent way.

How the hell is walking AWAY from someone “following them, with the intention of catching them”?

BTW kudos to whoever came up with Zim-moron…don’t know how I missed that one.

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[quote]Proud_Virgin wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
I am still trying to understand how ‘turning around’ equals ‘not pursuing you anymore’. The man was still on the same street as Trayvon meaning the threat was still there.
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Pursue:
Follow (someone or something) to catch or attack them.
Seek to form a sexual relationship with (someone) in a persistent way.

How the hell is walking AWAY from someone “following them, with the intention of catching them”?

BTW kudos to whoever came up with Zim-moron…don’t know how I missed that one.[/quote]

This again, was a gated community. Turning around does not mean he quit looking for you. No one except Zimemrman’s claim would know “the pursuit was over”. First off, it wasn’t over. Zimmerman had called the police and was hoping to have this kid questioned by the cops. He was still looking for Trayvon. Returning to his car has nothing to do with it if he was still in the process of looking for the kid.

Zimmerman was waiting for cops, remember?

That means there is no way in hell the “chase” was over.

LOL at people trying to ignore that.

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In this whole argument I never saw anyone put out the possibility that he was up to know good. It was always assumed he was not doing anything wrong .
I read his twitter feed before it was pulled . At best he was a moron.
And why not get away when he could if he felt threatened ? Why attack if he did?

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

I like how people openly lie in furtherance of their incitement of racist attacks and murders.

'(T)he Miami Herald reported that there were “multiple suspensions” on Trayvon’s record. Even more important, the Miami Herald article reports "In October, a school police investigator said he saw Trayvon on the school surveillance camera in an unauthorized area ‘hiding and being suspicious.’ Then he said he saw Trayvon mark up a door with ‘W.T.F’ - an acronym for ‘what the f-.’ The officer said he found Trayvon the next day and went through his book bag in search of the graffiti marker.

“Instead the officer reported he found women’s jewelry and a screwdriver that he described as a ‘burglary tool,’ according to a Miami-Dade Schools Police report obtained by The Miami Herald.”

“Trayvon’s backpack contained 12 pieces of jewelry, in addition to a watch and a large flathead screwdriver, according to the report, which described silver wedding bands and earrings with diamonds.”

So we know he’s a thief.

“Trayvon was asked if the jewelry belonged to his family or a girlfriend.”

“‘Martin replied it’s not mine. A friend gave it to me,’ he responded, according to the report. Trayvon declined to name the friend.”

So we know he’s a liar and stupid.

“Trayvon was not disciplined because of the discovery, but was instead suspended for graffiti, according to the report. School police impounded the jewelry and sent photos of the items to detectives at Miami-Dade police for further investigation.”

So we know he was under police investigation.

This revelation is extremely important when you consider that George Zimmerman claimed to have seen Trayvon casing homes in the neighborhood for future burglaries. Trayvon had “burglary tools” and women’s diamond earings and wedding bands, which were burglarized from somewhere.

And we know that Zimmerman is obviously good at spotting criminals. Trayvon was suspended from school three times for his increasingly anti-social behaviour. His twitter account makes reference to him assaulting a bus driver. Drug use, theft, violence, vandalism, truancy, police investigation etc.[/quote]

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[quote]SexMachine wrote:
I have not seen this addressed. I’d like to see if possible if the duke lacrosse case was addressed here and what certain people said about it.

I like how people openly lie in furtherance of their incitement of racist attacks and murders.

'(T)he Miami Herald reported that there were “multiple suspensions” on Trayvon’s record. Even more important, the Miami Herald article reports "In October, a school police investigator said he saw Trayvon on the school surveillance camera in an unauthorized area ‘hiding and being suspicious.’ Then he said he saw Trayvon mark up a door with ‘W.T.F’ - an acronym for ‘what the f-.’ The officer said he found Trayvon the next day and went through his book bag in search of the graffiti marker.

“Instead the officer reported he found women’s jewelry and a screwdriver that he described as a ‘burglary tool,’ according to a Miami-Dade Schools Police report obtained by The Miami Herald.”

“Trayvon’s backpack contained 12 pieces of jewelry, in addition to a watch and a large flathead screwdriver, according to the report, which described silver wedding bands and earrings with diamonds.”

So we know he’s a thief.

“Trayvon was asked if the jewelry belonged to his family or a girlfriend.”

“‘Martin replied it’s not mine. A friend gave it to me,’ he responded, according to the report. Trayvon declined to name the friend.”

So we know he’s a liar and stupid.

“Trayvon was not disciplined because of the discovery, but was instead suspended for graffiti, according to the report. School police impounded the jewelry and sent photos of the items to detectives at Miami-Dade police for further investigation.”

So we know he was under police investigation.

This revelation is extremely important when you consider that George Zimmerman claimed to have seen Trayvon casing homes in the neighborhood for future burglaries. Trayvon had “burglary tools” and women’s diamond earings and wedding bands, which were burglarized from somewhere.

And we know that Zimmerman is obviously good at spotting criminals. Trayvon was suspended from school three times for his increasingly anti-social behaviour. His twitter account makes reference to him assaulting a bus driver. Drug use, theft, violence, vandalism, truancy, police investigation etc.[/quote]

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[quote]tom63 wrote:

In this whole argument I never saw anyone put out the possibility that he was up to know good. It was always assumed he was not doing anything wrong .
I read his twitter feed before it was pulled . At best he was a moron.
And why not get away when he could if he felt threatened ? Why attack if he did?
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According to Professor X:

If you are being chased a bear and the bear stops and starts walking away, the wisest course of action would be to double back and punch it in the nose.

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[quote]overstand wrote:

[quote]tom63 wrote:

In this whole argument I never saw anyone put out the possibility that he was up to know good. It was always assumed he was not doing anything wrong .
I read his twitter feed before it was pulled . At best he was a moron.
And why not get away when he could if he felt threatened ? Why attack if he did?
[/quote]

According to Professor X:

If you are being chased a bear and the bear stops and starts walking away, the wisest course of action would be to double back and punch it in the nose. [/quote]
Haha, a fantastic summary.

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[quote]SexMachine wrote:

I like how people openly lie in furtherance of their incitement of racist attacks and murders.

'(T)he Miami Herald reported that there were “multiple suspensions” on Trayvon’s record. Even more important, the Miami Herald article reports "In October, a school police investigator said he saw Trayvon on the school surveillance camera in an unauthorized area ‘hiding and being suspicious.’ Then he said he saw Trayvon mark up a door with ‘W.T.F’ - an acronym for ‘what the f-.’ The officer said he found Trayvon the next day and went through his book bag in search of the graffiti marker.

“Instead the officer reported he found women’s jewelry and a screwdriver that he described as a ‘burglary tool,’ according to a Miami-Dade Schools Police report obtained by The Miami Herald.”

“Trayvon’s backpack contained 12 pieces of jewelry, in addition to a watch and a large flathead screwdriver, according to the report, which described silver wedding bands and earrings with diamonds.”

So we know he’s a thief.

“Trayvon was asked if the jewelry belonged to his family or a girlfriend.”

“‘Martin replied it’s not mine. A friend gave it to me,’ he responded, according to the report. Trayvon declined to name the friend.”

So we know he’s a liar and stupid.

“Trayvon was not disciplined because of the discovery, but was instead suspended for graffiti, according to the report. School police impounded the jewelry and sent photos of the items to detectives at Miami-Dade police for further investigation.”

So we know he was under police investigation.

This revelation is extremely important when you consider that George Zimmerman claimed to have seen Trayvon casing homes in the neighborhood for future burglaries. Trayvon had “burglary tools” and women’s diamond earings and wedding bands, which were burglarized from somewhere.

And we know that Zimmerman is obviously good at spotting criminals. Trayvon was suspended from school three times for his increasingly anti-social behaviour. His twitter account makes reference to him assaulting a bus driver. Drug use, theft, violence, vandalism, truancy, police investigation etc.[/quote]
Just a dumb punk. Speculation of course but he probably was casing. The real moral of the story is that if you are going to fuck around with people and their stuff, do it at your own risk.