Black Teen Shot 3

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I love how people here are STILL saying things that they believe are true even though evidence continues to mount that it wasn’t, or is still entirely not proven or provable.

So, this moron (I happen to consider Zimmerman a moron) is a racist? But he tutored black kids a lot in the past, that doesn’t jibe…

He was stalking Trayvon. Except nobody has any evidence to prove it.

He said “coons” when no one can really tell, apparently.

He killed him in cold blood, although he is recorded by both police and paramedics to have had lacerations on the back of his head and a broken nose…

You have all heard the difference between the EDITED 911 tapes and the real ones, right?

You all heard about the edited video of his head, right?

Turns out the Soviet-era media isn’t nearly as far from our country as we would like…

By the way, you all realize that the phrase “WHITE Mexican,” or “WHITE hispanic,” whatever that is, is being used more than it ever has before, right? Wonder where that came from…

I am so sick of hearing about this shit from ignoramuses that already have their mind made up, as if they have clairvoyance, I’m going to vomit.

Here’s one thing to consider already- despite rumors to the contrary, this Zimmerman moron was already questioned by the police for a long, long time right after it happened. The prosecutor also said that there’s no way he could hope to win this case given the evidence, should he try to charge him with anything.

But hey, don’t mind me, I just use logic and don’t jump to conclusions like so many of you.

Keep doing what you’re doing, saying what you’re saying, and hey- maybe if we’re really lucky, we can use all of your guys’ irrational emotions to further erase our freedoms in this country by getting rid of the “stand your ground” laws.

One more thing- I’m not defending this Zimmerman moron, or proclaiming him innocent, because I actually admit that I DON’T FUCKING KNOW! I’m not pretending otherwise. For all I know, Trayvon was standing HIS ground, and didn’t come out on top. But that’s looking less and less possible when looking at the FACTS.

Did you hear that? FACTS. Key word there. Stick to them.

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One more thing.

Let’s just pretend that this Zimmerman moron was a racist.

So what? Okay, it goes to motive.

Last I checked, being racist isn’t a crime. Last I checked, if a racist KKK member who writes books about lynching blacks shoots a black guy IN SELF DEFENSE while wearing his white hood and robe, and loves every minute of it and says as much in every interview and masturbates thinking about it and whatever else… but it was, in fact, in total SELF DEFENSE, it’s not a crime.

You don’t have to like the guy- I’d hate the core of his being- but he does still have rights. In THIS country.

Or does he?

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[quote]tom63 wrote:

[quote]overstand wrote:
Zimmerman had turned around, he was no longer pursuing, Trayvon was home free, any danger he perceived had passed. All he had to do was walk inside, sit on the couch and eat his skittles.

Instead, Trayvon re-initiated the conflict, and then escalated it to physical violence. [/quote]

I have not heard a step buy step account yet, but if that is true the fault is with Martin .[/quote]

Hmmm…I do believe we have stated already that there is no possible way anyone would think “the threat was over” when this is A GATED COMMUNITY meaning if Tray thought he was being chased, why would he think he was home free because the guy chasing him simply turned around…if that happened at all? You would have to be claiming that Tray completely lost Zimmerman when that isn’t the case. This kid still had not gotten home yet…which means the threat was still there.

Zimmerman was nowhere near his car so why would anyone think the threat is over?

ID’s comment about trying to keep a nutcase from following you home to kill everyone there is exactly the way I would act if I thought someone was following me.

Zimmerman’s claim that he was headed back to his truck does not mean the threat was over for Trayvon since tray wasn’t home yet and did not know the level of the threat.

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[quote]four60 wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]four60 wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]overstand wrote:
Zimmerman had turned around, he was no longer pursuing, Trayvon was home free, any danger he perceived had passed. All he had to do was walk inside, sit on the couch and eat his skittles.

Instead, Trayvon re-initiated the conflict, and then escalated it to physical violence. [/quote]
Funny, we’re back to page one of thread one. Gotta love fairy tales.[/quote]

Strange how fantasy can blind people[/quote]
Yep. I guess even the DA is caught in some Disney magic.[/quote]

Some of the police investigators sure seen the DA at Disney because they disagreed with the DA.

Also as I said on the last page Lack of evidence is what caused the DA’s decision not Zimmermans believability.[/quote]
Lack of evidence is his believability. More accurately evidence supporting his and witness stories.

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LMFAO!! Zimmerfuck’s lawyers are claiming ‘shaken baby syndrome’ as defence!!

Hell yeah, I’m so sure Zimmcunt was struggling for his life as EMS determined there was no need of bandage on that night and, he walked through the police station very comfortably, with no assistance.

For a guy who was being beaten mercilessly against wet grass and concrete, damn, his clothes were astoundingly clean and crease-free that evening. I didn’t know Sanford police provide free laundry for all their suspected murderers. Shit, even the ‘‘enhanced’’ video showed no trace of blood on that red jacket.

Watch that racist pig show up to court in crutches, braces, and bandages. LMFAO!!

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Interesting comment in the Times regarding Zimmfuck’s ‘‘injuries’’:

[i] Ask any EMT or Paramedic about how Protocol would dictate the steps to follow were Mr. Zimmerman to have claimed to have had his ‘‘nose broken’’ or ‘‘head slammed on the concrete.’’ The ‘‘mechanism of injury’’ in either or both of these injuries would have suggested a possible C-Spine injury, and dictated Mr. Zimmerman being put in a C-Spine collar, strapped to a backboard and transported immobilized to an emergency room, where he would only be removed from the backboard when cleared by the ER physician.

HE WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN TAKEN TO POLICE STATION IF THERE WAS ANY POSSIBILITY OF A SPINAL INJURY! This isn’t rocket science; it’s basic field EMT protocol. If Mr Zimmerman was ‘‘treated at the scene and cleaned up’’ by Paramedics or EMTs, there is a PCR (Patient Care Report) that would detail his injuries, his level of consciousness, and the location of his ‘‘pain’’ and its level. If he claimed either of these injuries at the time, that would be noted and care for these claims would likewise be included. These documents would decisively clear up any ambiguity about injuries/events that Mr. Zimmerman claimed at the ‘‘scene of the crime.’’ If Sanford Police failed to give any of this information to Paramedics, they are grossly negligent, total fools, or both.

If EMTs or Paramedics at the scene were aware of these injuries and did nothing, they too fall far short professionally. RELEASE THE MEDICAL REPORTS FROM THE SCENE NOW AND END THIS AMBIGUITY.[/i]

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[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:
LMFAO!! Zimmerfuck’s lawyers are claiming ‘shaken baby syndrome’ as defence!!

Hell yeah, I’m so sure Zimmcunt was struggling for his life as EMS determined there was no need of bandage on that night and, he walked through the police station very comfortably, with no assistance.

For a guy who was being beaten mercilessly against wet grass and concrete, damn, his clothes were astoundingly clean and crease-free that evening. I didn’t know Sanford police provide free laundry for all their suspected murderers. Shit even the ‘‘enhanced’’ video showed no trace of blood in that red jacket.

Watch that racist pig show up to court in crutches, braces, and bandages. LMFAO!!

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I saw that interview on CBS. His lawyers were saying basically that even slight blows to the head (he mentioned Liam Neeson’s first wife) can cause serious and potentially deadly damage, and is using this as justification for the use of deadly force on Zimmerman’s part, even though Trayvon was unarmed. I don’t remember him saying that Zimmerman actually HAD SBS, that would have been silly. I actually think it is a good defense. He can find all sorts of doctors that will testify you can die from hitting your head. Of course, he should have left out the SBS thing and concentrated on the fact that blows to the head are serious because now everyone is going to say things like “How could a grown man get SBS.”

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‘’ This wasn’t about race. I shot because I felt threatened. Skittles are full of high fructose corn syrup. ‘’

This cartoon sadly depicts how nonchalant everyone must have been after Trayvon Martin’s death.

And you can even see the same nonchalance in that Police station video. ‘‘Another young black male dead? Fuck’ im. Well done, Watchman.’’

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[quote]Dr.Matt581 wrote:

Of course, he should have left out the SBS thing and concentrated on the fact that blows to the head are serious because now everyone is going to say things like “How could a grown man get SBS.”
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And there, that’s why I called it bullshit.

Zimmfuck’s team is throwing shit out to see what sticks and to taint a jury pool because the asshole has a million and one new additions to his ‘‘story’’.

How is a grown man with a fat ass solid head going to get shaken baby syndrome? That police video showed someone walking around without any sign of malaise, vertigo or pain at all.

If he was in such serious trauma, the medics would have taken him to the ER. He’s a fucking liar.

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[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:

[quote]Dr.Matt581 wrote:

Of course, he should have left out the SBS thing and concentrated on the fact that blows to the head are serious because now everyone is going to say things like “How could a grown man get SBS.”
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And there, that’s why I called it bullshit.

Zimmfuck’s team is throwing shit out to see what sticks and to taint a jury pool because the asshole has a million and one new additions to his ‘‘story’’.

How is a grown man with a fat ass solid head going to get shaken baby syndrome? That police video showed someone walking around without any sign of malaise, vertigo or pain at all.

If he was in such serious trauma, the medics would have taken him to the ER. He’s a fucking liar.

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I don’t know how to make this any more clear: They are not claiming that Zimmerman had SBS, they offered SBS and other things like Niam Neeson’s first wife as examples of how seemingly insignificant blows/trauma to the head can be extremely dangerous and potentially deadly. This means that if Zimmerman was having his head hit against the ground, even once, he was justified in using deadly force to protect himself. You don’t need to actually suffer the severe/deadly damage in order to justify the use of deadly force, but there actually has to be a real threat of severe/deadly injury. That is why they are bringing this up.

An example for clarification: If someone pulls a knife at you and charges, you have the right to shoot them, or otherwise use deadly force to stop them because if the assailant reaches you, it is reasonable to assume he means to do serious harm to you with the knife, you don’t have to wait for him to stab you. The same is true in this case, if Zimmerman’s head was being hit against the ground, there existed a real threat of serious/deadly damage. All he needs is one scrape on the back of his head to support his claim, it doesn’t even really matter how serious the wound is.

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[quote]Dr.Matt581 wrote:

I don’t know how to make this any more clear: They are not claiming that Zimmerman had SBS, they offered SBS and other things like Niam Neeson’s first wife as examples of how seemingly insignificant blows/trauma to the head can be extremely dangerous and potentially deadly. This means that if Zimmerman was having his head hit against the ground, even once, he was justified in using deadly force to protect himself. You don’t need to actually suffer the severe/deadly damage in order to justify the use of deadly force, but there actually has to be a real threat of severe/deadly injury. That is why they are bringing this up.

An example for clarification: If someone pulls a knife at you and charges, you have the right to shoot them, or otherwise use deadly force to stop them because if the assailant reaches you, it is reasonable to assume he means to do serious harm to you with the knife, you don’t have to wait for him to stab you. The same is true in this case, if Zimmerman’s head was being hit against the ground, there existed a real threat of serious/deadly damage. All he needs is one scrape on the back of his head to support his claim, it doesn’t even really matter how serious the wound is.[/quote]

As someone else said, Zimmfuck created the situation that caused the ‘‘accidental death’’ of a teen who was minding his own business. Zimmfuck’s self-defense claim has gone down the drain once he chose to get out of his truck and stalk and corner Trayvon. Trayvon was the one who had the right to use deadly force to remedy a ‘‘reasonable fear of bodily harm’’ from an armed loose canon.

The head bashing is bullcrap. The scrap on the head is bullcrap. Strangely, the scrap have been ‘‘enhanced’’ but shit, no enhancement was done to show blood stains on the jacket. And the excuse we now hear is that SBS bullshit, to suggest that Zimfuck didn’t have his head repeatedly bashed/broken (as stated before) but only one hit (or two) made him fear for his life and forced him to pull the trigger??? Damn!! Everrrrr changing story. Like I said, anything to taint the jury pool.

And I don’t think that Trayvon bashed that fucker’s head. Trayvon is the one screaming for help in the tapes. His mother recognized his voice. I really can’t see someone screaming for help as he’s bashing his assailant’s head against the concrete.

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[quote]Thuggish wrote:
One more thing.

Let’s just pretend that this Zimmerman moron was a racist.

So what? Okay, it goes to motive.

Last I checked, being racist isn’t a crime. Last I checked, if a racist KKK member who writes books about lynching blacks shoots a black guy IN SELF DEFENSE while wearing his white hood and robe, and loves every minute of it and says as much in every interview and masturbates thinking about it and whatever else… but it was, in fact, in total SELF DEFENSE, it’s not a crime.

You don’t have to like the guy- I’d hate the core of his being- but he does still have rights. In THIS country.

Or does he?
http://cpsracket.blogspot.com/2011/11/parents-of-adolf-hitler-lose-custody-of.html[/quote]

I LOLed at this.

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[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:

[quote]Dr.Matt581 wrote:

I don’t know how to make this any more clear: They are not claiming that Zimmerman had SBS, they offered SBS and other things like Niam Neeson’s first wife as examples of how seemingly insignificant blows/trauma to the head can be extremely dangerous and potentially deadly. This means that if Zimmerman was having his head hit against the ground, even once, he was justified in using deadly force to protect himself. You don’t need to actually suffer the severe/deadly damage in order to justify the use of deadly force, but there actually has to be a real threat of severe/deadly injury. That is why they are bringing this up.

An example for clarification: If someone pulls a knife at you and charges, you have the right to shoot them, or otherwise use deadly force to stop them because if the assailant reaches you, it is reasonable to assume he means to do serious harm to you with the knife, you don’t have to wait for him to stab you. The same is true in this case, if Zimmerman’s head was being hit against the ground, there existed a real threat of serious/deadly damage. All he needs is one scrape on the back of his head to support his claim, it doesn’t even really matter how serious the wound is.[/quote]

As someone else said, Zimmfuck created the situation that caused the accidental death of a teen who was minding his own business. Zimmfuck’s self-defense claim has gone down the drain once he chose to get out of his truck and stalk and corner Trayvon. Trayvon was the one who had the right to use deadly force to remedy a ‘‘reasonable fear of bodily harm’’ from an armed loose canon.

The head bashing is bullcrap. The scrap on the head is bullcrap. Strangely, the scrap have been ‘‘enhanced’’ but shit, no enhancement was done to show blood stains on the jacket. And the excuse we now hear is that SBS bullshit, to suggest that Zimfuck didn’t have his head repeatedly bashed/broken (as stated before) but only one hit (or two) made him fear for his life and forced him to pull the trigger??? Damn!! Everrrrr changing story. Like I said, anything to taint the jury pool.

And I don’t think that Trayvon bashed that fucker’s head. Trayvon is the one screaming for help in the tapes. His mother recognized his voice. I really can’t see someone screaming for help as he’s bashing his assailant’s head against the concrete.[/quote]

Well, the response is going to be that Zimmerman was no longer a threat.

I am still not sure what world someone lives in where the threat of death is over simply because the killer chasing you turned around and faced south.

This was a gated community. Assuming the worst, first why would someone go straight home if being followed? I wouldn’t. Anyone who has watched ANY police tv show knows not to do this…yet for some reason the rules don’t apply here?

This kid was chased. For most people I know, that means your life is at risk. If you are in a CONFINED AREA like a gated community, the threat is increased because there is a limited area for your attacker to be in.

I am not sure why some see Trayvon as the threat here when the kid had no reason to think anything positive about an unidentified man following and then chasing him.

They were too far from Zimmerman’s car for that to even be a factor.

I could see using the “no more threat” response if Zimmerman had driven off…but that didn’t happen.

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[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:

As someone else said, Zimmfuck created the situation that caused the accidental death of a teen who was minding his own business. Zimmfuck’s self-defense claim has gone down the drain once he chose to get out of his truck and stalk and corner Trayvon. Trayvon was the one who had the right to use deadly force to remedy a ‘‘reasonable fear of bodily harm’’ from an armed loose canon.

The head bashing is bullcrap. The scrap on the head is bullcrap. Strangely, the scrap have been ‘‘enhanced’’ but shit, no enhancement was done to show blood stains on the jacket. And the excuse we now hear is that SBS bullshit, to suggest that Zimfuck didn’t have his head repeatedly bashed/broken (as stated before) but only one hit (or two) made him fear for his life and forced him to pull the trigger??? Damn!! Everrrrr changing story. Like I said, anything to taint the jury pool.

And I don’t think that Trayvon bashed that fucker’s head. Trayvon is the one screaming for help in the tapes. His mother recognized his voice. I really can’t see someone screaming for help as he’s bashing his assailant’s head against the concrete.[/quote]

We don’t know that Trayvon was “minding his own business.” For all we know, he was casing houses to rob. Without an actual witness or real evidence, all we have is assumptions, which mean just about nothing in court.

We also do not know that Zimmerman “cornered” Trayvon since there is no reliable witnesses to testify on that. Again, that is just an unwarranted assumption that will mean nothing in court.

As it has also been pointed out, if Zimmerman had stopped following Trayvon and was returning to his truck, then there would have been no reason for Trayvon to have approached Zimmerman or to attack him. If the prosecution is going to claim otherwise, they need actual evidence or witnesses.

Where was it claimed that Zimmerman only had his head hit “once or twice?” I sure didn’t. I did say that all it would take is one hit, or even an attempted hit to the head that would be enough to cause a reasonable fear of serious/deadly injury. I have no idea how many times Zimmerman’s head was hit and neithr does anyone on this forum.

If Zimmerman was wearing a waterproof jacket, and it looks like he was, then the blood would not have stained it.

The story is always changing because the news stations and sites, on both sides, keep reporting misinformation and falsifying information.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

I am still not sure what world someone lives in where the threat of death is over simply because the killer chasing you turned around and faced south.
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… You mean besides the part where they’re no longer perusing you?

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[quote]TigerTime wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

I am still not sure what world someone lives in where the threat of death is over simply because the killer chasing you turned around and faced south.
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… You mean besides the part where they’re no longer perusing you? [/quote]

Why would anyone think he had stopped pursuing him?

If someone is chasing me and they are still in the area, THE LAST THING I will think is that it is all clear just because they turned around…again, if that even happened.

The car was too far away for that even be a factor unless you are accusing Trayvon of not using his psychic powers.

It is a gated community. As long as Zimmerman was IN THE CONFINED AREA he was still a threat.

I can see now that if a serial killer were following some of you home, many of you would gladly walk up to the guy for pleasant conversation or show him exactly where you, your kids, and your wife live.

I am guess Trayvon didn’t grow up on Sesame Street.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

Well, the response is going to be that Zimmerman was no longer a threat.

I am still not sure what world someone lives in where the threat of death is over simply because the killer chasing you turned around and faced south.

This was a gated community. Assuming the worst, first why would someone go straight home if being followed? I wouldn’t. Anyone who has watched ANY police tv show knows not to do this…yet for some reason the rules don’t apply here?

This kid was chased. For most people I know, that means your life is at risk. If you are in a CONFINED AREA like a gated community, the threat is increased because there is a limited area for your attacker to be in.

I am not sure why some see Trayvon as the threat here when the kid had no reason to think anything positive about an unidentified man following and then chasing him.

They were too far from Zimmerman’s car for that to even be a factor.

I could see using the “no more threat” response if Zimmerman had driven off…but that didn’t happen.[/quote]

I’m a woman with years of experience in combat/martial arts, but hell, I still hurry my pace if I notice someone strange is following me at night. That fucker right there wants to cause me some harm. I will not give him that opportunity.

And if I have to run, I will. Reasons:

Uno: If he gains on me, I may not be able to take him down as swiftly as I thought I could and, he might end up doing naughty/nasty stuff to me;

Dos: I may take him down but also end up fucking killing him with the weapon he planned to used on me;

Tres - I got to catch my favourite TV show.

But seriously, No matter how confident I feel about defending myself, I still feel threatened being stalked by a fucking nutter.

Trayvon must have been shit worried about the suspicious cunt following him that night. He was the one who truly felt threatened. But nah, some will not see it that way.

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[quote]Dr.Matt581 wrote:
We don’t know that Trayvon was “minding his own business.” For all we know, he was casing houses to rob. [/quote]

And you based this on what? On Zimmerfuck’s racial prejudices and profiling?

Fucking great.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]TigerTime wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

I am still not sure what world someone lives in where the threat of death is over simply because the killer chasing you turned around and faced south.
[/quote]

… You mean besides the part where they’re no longer perusing you? [/quote]

Why would anyone think he had stopped pursuing him?

If someone is chasing me and they are still in the area, THE LAST THING I will think is that it is all clear just because they turned around…again, if that even happened.

The car was too far away for that even be a factor unless you are accusing Trayvon of not using his psychic powers.

It is a gated community. As long as Zimmerman was IN THE CONFINED AREA he was still a threat.

I can see now that if a serial killer were following some of you home, many of you would gladly walk up to the guy for pleasant conversation or show him exactly where you, your kids, and your wife live.

I am guess Trayvon didn’t grow up on Sesame Street.[/quote]

Because he turned around and went the other way, perhaps? (assuming that’s what happened.)

I get why you wouldn’t just brush off someone chasing you, but then again, turning around and pursuing your pursuer isn’t exactly a risk-free decision either.

All I’m saying is, assuming Zimmerman really did turn around and head back towards his car, he was no longer a threat to the extent that Trayvon didn’t backtrack.

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[quote]TigerTime wrote:

Because he turned around and went the other way, perhaps? (assuming that’s what happened.)[/quote]

?
It was a confined area. Why would it matter if he simply turned the other way?

Let me ask…if you are in enemy territory and your enemy is looking for you, the threat is over because he turned left?

LOL

What fantasy world is this? The threat would only be gone if Zimmerman LEFT THE AREA IN HIS CAR, which he did not do.

Without knowing exactly where Zimmerman was and what he was doing and watching him go away completely, no one in their right mind would think “oh, the threat is over because he simply turned his back to me”.

That ain’t reality, guy. People seem to be playing games by acting like it is human nature to think otherwise.

[quote]
I get why you wouldn’t just brush off someone chasing you, but then again, turning around and pursuing your pursuer isn’t exactly a risk-free decision either. [/quote]

Risk free? That ended the moment someone started chasing him. That is why it is called FIGHT OR FLIGHT…and guess what, it is a natural instinct meaning your body is designed to be prepped for either one should life be at risk.

[quote]
All I’m saying is, assuming Zimmerman really did turn around and head back towards his car, he was no longer a threat to the extent that Trayvon didn’t backtrack. [/quote]

? Once again, you are only not a threat if you DRIVE THE FUCK OFF AND GO FAR AWAY. Turning left doesn’t do that.

Now, are we done pretending or are some of you really going to keep acting like turning left means an attacker is no longer a threat?