In general, most fat people are fat by choice. Most poor people are poor by choice.
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I honestly can’t believe you just compared these two as if poverty were the same as stuffing yourself with pie. No, I would strongly disagree that most poor people are that way by CHOICE. [/quote]
I don’t know if I would agree with the “most” part, but there are definitely many people who choose to be poor. One of the greatest things about capitalism is that upward mobility is possible (I am not saying it is easy, but it is possible). Just about everybody has the opportunity to get into college. Hell, you even get to choose what you major in. All you have to do is get halfway decent grades in high school. Even if you don’t there are still community colleges where you have a chance to make up for bad grades in high school and transfer to a university, or get training for a trade. With student loans, Federal Financial Aid, and scholarships, paying for college is not that much of a problem. If you choose to major in philosophy or literature or something along those lines, you are choosing to be poor pretty much. If you fail out of college, or do not go to college, you are probably choosing to be poor (I know that not all well off people went to college, but a lot of people who are well off did). If you never even try to do better, you are choosing to be poor. Some people do have a harder time and less advantages than others, but it is most definitely possible to go from being poor to being well off.
In general, most fat people are fat by choice. Most poor people are poor by choice.
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I honestly can’t believe you just compared these two as if poverty were the same as stuffing yourself with pie. No, I would strongly disagree that most poor people are that way by CHOICE. [/quote]
Wishing and choosing are not the same, just making sure we are clear.
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Ignorance and self righteousness aren’t the same thing either but we get heaps and heaps all over this forum.[/quote]
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I’ve seen this myself. My take it’s often a choice, but they don’t see it that why. They think it’s bad luck, someone else’s fault, everyone else cheats and so on.
It’s an example of the Dunning Kruger effect. Dumb people overestimate their smarts.
[quote]Dr.Matt581 wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]njrusmc wrote:
In general, most fat people are fat by choice. Most poor people are poor by choice.
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I honestly can’t believe you just compared these two as if poverty were the same as stuffing yourself with pie. No, I would strongly disagree that most poor people are that way by CHOICE. [/quote]
I don’t know if I would agree with the “most” part, but there are definitely many people who choose to be poor. One of the greatest things about capitalism is that upward mobility is possible (I am not saying it is easy, but it is possible). Just about everybody has the opportunity to get into college. Hell, you even get to choose what you major in. All you have to do is get halfway decent grades in high school. Even if you don’t there are still community colleges where you have a chance to make up for bad grades in high school and transfer to a university, or get training for a trade. With student loans, Federal Financial Aid, and scholarships, paying for college is not that much of a problem. If you choose to major in philosophy or literature or something along those lines, you are choosing to be poor pretty much. If you fail out of college, or do not go to college, you are probably choosing to be poor (I know that not all well off people went to college, but a lot of people who are well off did). If you never even try to do better, you are choosing to be poor. Some people do have a harder time and less advantages than others, but it is most definitely possible to go from being poor to being well off.
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True . My son inks graduating second in his class of 250-300 students. He is a worker with natural ability . He told me he is shocked by the amount if kids who do no homework at all. With his ap classes he would average 20 hours a week, maybe more.
He’s going to attend Lehigh University and received a scholarship / aid package of 41,500 this cloning year . If you work , you’ll learn. So many kids are doing nothing .
[quote]njrusmc wrote:
Performing poorly in school and blaming it on your teachers/the system is the first step towards failure. Read the textbook and get after school help, which was available when I was in school ALWAYS in inner-city, 80% minority schools. That will solve most of your problems.
My high school was officially 78% black and 11% hispanic, with the remainder being white, asian, and other. Ranked as the #49 high school in the USA during my sophomore year. Teachers were all pretty good, I maintained a B+ average the whole time and earned several college scholarships. As did many of my black and hispanic peers. AP courses were offerred at no cost to students. After-school tutoring as well. My sister went to a suburban school and didn’t do so well despite it being 80% white.
I’m not trying to make an argument based on anecdotal evidence, but zecarlo, you are simply mistaken. Blame the students (or their parents) and their weak wills, not the teachers and the “system”.
In general, most fat people are fat by choice. Most poor people are poor by choice. Most unsuccessful people are unsuccessful by choice. It’s like being pissed at a cop for giving you a speeding ticket you earned, or being pissed at a teacher for failing a test you know you didn’t study for or care about.
[quote]njrusmc wrote:
Performing poorly in school and blaming it on your teachers/the system is the first step towards failure. Read the textbook and get after school help, which was available when I was in school ALWAYS in inner-city, 80% minority schools. That will solve most of your problems.
My high school was officially 78% black and 11% hispanic, with the remainder being white, asian, and other. Ranked as the #49 high school in the USA during my sophomore year. Teachers were all pretty good, I maintained a B+ average the whole time and earned several college scholarships. As did many of my black and hispanic peers. AP courses were offerred at no cost to students. After-school tutoring as well. My sister went to a suburban school and didn’t do so well despite it being 80% white.
I’m not trying to make an argument based on anecdotal evidence, but zecarlo, you are simply mistaken. Blame the students (or their parents) and their weak wills, not the teachers and the “system”.
In general, most fat people are fat by choice. Most poor people are poor by choice. Most unsuccessful people are unsuccessful by choice. It’s like being pissed at a cop for giving you a speeding ticket you earned, or being pissed at a teacher for failing a test you know you didn’t study for or care about.
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Google Jane Addams High School in the Bronx then come back about how the system isn’t failing.
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
I do know people who’ve come from poor schools but applied themselves and moved up. I also know title one teachers who contradict your bullshit but I guess understanding issues at hand are not a systemic design to cause failure takes more maturity than you can muster gotta love personal attacks in place of a legitimate argument. Your shit is weak, dude; it is ok and even mature to admit when you’re off.[/quote]
Until I see sworn affidavits from these people you claim to know, I will not accept what you say is fact.
“They put me in cosmetology because we don’t have chemistry,” 16-year-old senior Clarissa Williams told The New York Times. “This could really affect me, my graduation – I wanted to go to NYU for criminal justice. Now I don’t know if I’ll graduate.”
“Jane Addams is the product of systemic issues in Education Department leadership and oversight, and department-instituted reform that continues to lack focus on neighborhood-school development.”
Jane Addams High School in the Bronx. Separate but unequal. Google it if you really want some facts.
In general, most fat people are fat by choice. Most poor people are poor by choice. Most unsuccessful people are unsuccessful by choice. It’s like being pissed at a cop for giving you a speeding ticket you earned, or being pissed at a teacher for failing a test you know you didn’t study for or care about.
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I don’t entirely agree with this. It’s not the childrens’ fault that their parents are poor. I grew up poor in not the best home situation to say the least. I can’t say I had much of a choice in the matter. Mind you, I’m not making an excuse because I did excel despite this and hold a Masters degree and a good job. But lets not blame these kids for a situation this is beyond their control. It is pretty tough trying to study when you parents are too high or drunk to give you any direction and really don’t give a fuck how you’re doing in school or life (especially at an early age). It really fucks with your self esteem.
[quote]tom63 wrote:
Google charter school successes and see how kids are getting a better education for less.[/quote]
You mean by higher teacher turnover and less qualified teachers to begin with (they are not in the union and thus get paid less to work more)? There is no definitive proof that charter schools are better. Some studies have shown their students perform worse.
I also fail to see how it’s relevant. You’re saying that charter schools are better than the regular public schools which implies that the regular schools are not that good which is what I have been saying. If public schools were so great then why would we even be considering an alternative like charter schools?
In general, most fat people are fat by choice. Most poor people are poor by choice. Most unsuccessful people are unsuccessful by choice. It’s like being pissed at a cop for giving you a speeding ticket you earned, or being pissed at a teacher for failing a test you know you didn’t study for or care about.
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I don’t entirely agree with this. It’s not the childrens’ fault that their parents are poor. I grew up poor in not the best home situation to say the least. I can’t say I had much of a choice in the matter. Mind you, I’m not making an excuse because I did excel despite this and hold a Masters degree and a good job. But lets not blame these kids for a situation this is beyond their control. It is pretty tough trying to study when you parents are too high or drunk to give you any direction and really don’t give a fuck how you’re doing in school or life (especially at an early age). It really fucks with your self esteem.
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I didn’t grow up poor and I take credit for that. I don’t know why others find it so hard to be born into ideal circumstances. They must not want it enough.
[quote]tom63 wrote:
Google charter school successes and see how kids are getting a better education for less.[/quote]
You mean by higher teacher turnover and less qualified teachers to begin with (they are not in the union and thus get paid less to work more)? There is no definitive proof that charter schools are better. Some studies have shown their students perform worse.
I also fail to see how it’s relevant. You’re saying that charter schools are better than the regular public schools which implies that the regular schools are not that good which is what I have been saying. If public schools were so great then why would we even be considering an alternative like charter schools? [/quote]
[quote]tom63 wrote:
Google charter school successes and see how kids are getting a better education for less.[/quote]
I don’t have all the #'s but just like public schools, you get your good and bad. There’s a charter school in NJ that is in the bottom 10 when it comes to scoring. Emily Fisher in Trenton.
My High School ranks in the bottom 20 of 360. We did have AP courses available though and if you took Advanced Courses you got better teachers. But most people in my town sent their kids to private or Catholic school (both expensive) if they wanted them to get into a really good college.
[quote]tom63 wrote:
Google charter school successes and see how kids are getting a better education for less.[/quote]
You mean by higher teacher turnover and less qualified teachers to begin with (they are not in the union and thus get paid less to work more)? There is no definitive proof that charter schools are better. Some studies have shown their students perform worse.
I also fail to see how it’s relevant. You’re saying that charter schools are better than the regular public schools which implies that the regular schools are not that good which is what I have been saying. If public schools were so great then why would we even be considering an alternative like charter schools? [/quote]
Teacher’s union sums it up.[/quote]
Teachers don’t make policy decisions. That comes from politicians…that sums it up.
[quote]tom63 wrote:
Google charter school successes and see how kids are getting a better education for less.[/quote]
I don’t have all the #'s but just like public schools, you get your good and bad. There’s a charter school in NJ that is in the bottom 10 when it comes to scoring. Emily Fisher in Trenton.
My High School ranks in the bottom 20 of 360. We did have AP courses though available though and if you took Advanced Courses you got better teachers. But most people in my town sent their kids to private or Catholic school (both expensive) if they wanted them to get into a really good college.[/quote]
Because the focus of a good school is preparing a child to be a successful adult. In inner city schools the focus is on getting kids in and out. They don’t empower kids so they can stand on their own; it’s actually the opposite.
[quote]tom63 wrote:
Google charter school successes and see how kids are getting a better education for less.[/quote]
You mean by higher teacher turnover and less qualified teachers to begin with (they are not in the union and thus get paid less to work more)? There is no definitive proof that charter schools are better. Some studies have shown their students perform worse.
I also fail to see how it’s relevant. You’re saying that charter schools are better than the regular public schools which implies that the regular schools are not that good which is what I have been saying. If public schools were so great then why would we even be considering an alternative like charter schools? [/quote]
Teacher’s union sums it up.[/quote]
Teachers don’t make policy decisions. That comes from politicians…that sums it up. [/quote]
97% Hispanic
88% Low Income
100% of graduates have gone on to a four year college.
2 out of 3 are first generation college students.
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Which kind of blows the whole “they want to be poor” argument out of the water. It’s not that poor people and minorities don’t want their kids to go to college: they just lack the tools to help them get there. This seems like a school that recognizes that and acts accordingly.
[quote]tom63 wrote:
Union leaders are politicians .
[quote]zecarlo wrote:
[quote]tom63 wrote:
[quote]zecarlo wrote:
[quote]tom63 wrote:
Google charter school successes and see how kids are getting a better education for less.[/quote]
You mean by higher teacher turnover and less qualified teachers to begin with (they are not in the union and thus get paid less to work more)? There is no definitive proof that charter schools are better. Some studies have shown their students perform worse.
I also fail to see how it’s relevant. You’re saying that charter schools are better than the regular public schools which implies that the regular schools are not that good which is what I have been saying. If public schools were so great then why would we even be considering an alternative like charter schools? [/quote]
Teacher’s union sums it up.[/quote]
Teachers don’t make policy decisions. That comes from politicians…that sums it up. [/quote]
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I fail to see the point.
In general, most fat people are fat by choice. Most poor people are poor by choice.
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I honestly can’t believe you just compared these two as if poverty were the same as stuffing yourself with pie. No, I would strongly disagree that most poor people are that way by CHOICE. [/quote]
Wishing and choosing are not the same, just making sure we are clear.
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Ignorance and self righteousness aren’t the same thing either but we get heaps and heaps all over this forum.[/quote]
I take it your talking about a certain man from texas?
In general, most fat people are fat by choice. Most poor people are poor by choice.
/threadjack[/quote]
I honestly can’t believe you just compared these two as if poverty were the same as stuffing yourself with pie. No, I would strongly disagree that most poor people are that way by CHOICE. [/quote]
Wishing and choosing are not the same, just making sure we are clear.
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Ignorance and self righteousness aren’t the same thing either but we get heaps and heaps all over this forum.[/quote]
I take it your talking about a certain man from texas?[/quote]
That’s what I got too. A man named Professor X. At least you’re a perceptive troll.
gotta love personal attacks in place of a legitimate argument. Your shit is weak, dude; it is ok and even mature to admit when you’re off.[/quote]