[quote]four60 wrote:
I’ll leave the other hang ups about Hispanics as an attempt by you as a Joke.[/quote]
I am, indeed, being sarcastic. I am a born-on-the-reservation Apache, and many shades darker than you. While not Hispanic, I am generally considered one by people that don’t know me.
It’s obvious to me that Zimmerman is not being believed because the victim is black and the shooter was not.
There have been clear attempts to smear Zimmerman as a racist, down to NBC editing the 911 tape in an intentionally misleading fashion.
ABC intentionally edited the video to hide the injuries to Zimmerman’s head.
It’s a shocking double-standard of proof, with every possible error – and sometimes just flat out lies — being made in favor of Martin against the Hispanic Zimmerman.
I think it’s bigoted to not give Zimmerman his Constitutional right of being deemed innocent until proven guilty.
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And yet you offer Martin none of the same respect to be innocent until proven otherwise.
I don’t base my judgement on half truths and I have always stated the news plays these games to Martin and Zim depends on the channel your watching.
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
I’m away for a bit only to return to read some dumb ass is now saying WALKING is low class!
Heaven forbid anyone take a jog there. He may be mistaken for someone who is trying to get away with something. [/quote]
Did you intentionally omit the part where there are key exceptions to the “pedestrians are out of place” observation (jogging, dogs, babies, old folks) or do you just have really poor reading comprehension?
Look, I know you are a super-cool long hair hippy and all, but yes, the suburbanites look down on you, think you are weird, and will call the cops if they see your midget hippy ass walking around their gated community at night, just like they call the cops if they saw me walking around.
Yes, they think you are low class if you don’t have a car.[/quote]
I’m not a hippie.
I don’t have long hair.
You’re still a dumb ass.
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Apparently smarter than you, alas, such that I can see the viewpoint of suburbanites in Florida, even though I am about as far from one as humanly possible.[/quote]
Don’t feed the troll^^^^
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
All you are doing is suggesting I take your word for the end all, be all truth. Not happening. You were a shitty teacher passing the buck.
Your opinion means shit. Come back with substantiated fact if you want to continue. Until then, you are the douche with a jaded world view screaming from the worlds smallest soapbox.[/quote]
And you aren’t doing the same? Only it’s not your word but someone else’s. That’s called hearsay. I guess everyone else has to produce facts but not you.
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I’ve listed unanswered facts AND met your conjecture with conjecture.
Facts:
Public schools share a state mandated curriculum
Tutoring and remedial classes are available
Honors/GT/Accelerated et cetera classes are available to low income students
Common knowledge. You, on the other hand, claim a “system” is holding kids in certain districts down intentionally. Show me or shut the fuck up.[/quote]
You really don’t understand well, do you? How things are put into practice varies. Did you ever wonder why kids from inner city schools don’t perform as well as kids from more affluent areas? If it really is separate but equal it shouldn’t be the case, should it? You can say what you think is going on but you really don’t know, yet, you want to argue as though you do.
To answer your final request to show you: just look at the end products of an inner city school vs a suburban one. Separate and unequal.
You could also ask anyone who went to an inner city school as well as a suburban one. I know several and they all say it was better in the suburban one. More was expected. More was demanded. Less BS was tolerated. But for you to do that it would require that you actually listened. But that requires a maturity you obviously lack.
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
I’m away for a bit only to return to read some dumb ass is now saying WALKING is low class!
Heaven forbid anyone take a jog there. He may be mistaken for someone who is trying to get away with something. [/quote]
Did you intentionally omit the part where there are key exceptions to the “pedestrians are out of place” observation (jogging, dogs, babies, old folks) or do you just have really poor reading comprehension?
Look, I know you are a super-cool long hair hippy and all, but yes, the suburbanites look down on you, think you are weird, and will call the cops if they see your midget hippy ass walking around their gated community at night, just like they call the cops if they saw me walking around.
Yes, they think you are low class if you don’t have a car.[/quote]
I’m not a hippie.
I don’t have long hair.
You’re still a dumb ass.
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Apparently smarter than you, alas, such that I can see the viewpoint of suburbanites in Florida, even though I am about as far from one as humanly possible.[/quote]
Don’t feed the troll^^^[1]
He’s been on point through all three threads. Disagreeing with some one doesn’t make them a troll. Quit trolling.
[quote]BE RELENTLESS wrote:
Yet you continue to call him a thug attacker. Why? [/quote]
Because he is black, duh.
And following someone and asking questions can be illegal. It may not be in some cases but in others it is. White people tend to say it’s OK because they tend to not be the ones who get followed and questioned.
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
All you are doing is suggesting I take your word for the end all, be all truth. Not happening. You were a shitty teacher passing the buck.
Your opinion means shit. Come back with substantiated fact if you want to continue. Until then, you are the douche with a jaded world view screaming from the worlds smallest soapbox.[/quote]
And you aren’t doing the same? Only it’s not your word but someone else’s. That’s called hearsay. I guess everyone else has to produce facts but not you.
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I’ve listed unanswered facts AND met your conjecture with conjecture.
Facts:
Public schools share a state mandated curriculum
Tutoring and remedial classes are available
Honors/GT/Accelerated et cetera classes are available to low income students
Common knowledge. You, on the other hand, claim a “system” is holding kids in certain districts down intentionally. Show me or shut the fuck up.[/quote]
You really don’t understand well, do you? How things are put into practice varies. Did you ever wonder why kids from inner city schools don’t perform as well as kids from more affluent areas? If it really is separate but equal it shouldn’t be the case, should it? You can say what you think is going on but you really don’t know, yet, you want to argue as though you do.
To answer your final request to show you: just look at the end products of an inner city school vs a suburban one. Separate and unequal.
You could also ask anyone who went to an inner city school as well as a suburban one. I know several and they all say it was better in the suburban one. More was expected. More was demanded. Less BS was tolerated. But for you to do that it would require that you actually listened. But that requires a maturity you obviously lack. [/quote]
What I understand is you have nothing but conjecture and confuse a school system with a lack of personal responsibility, fucked up families and zero personal desire of students with a choice to accept the freely offered education.
I do know people who’ve come from poor schools but applied themselves and moved up. I also know title one teachers who contradict your bullshit but I guess understanding issues at hand are not a systemic design to cause failure takes more maturity than you can muster gotta love personal attacks in place of a legitimate argument. Your shit is weak, dude; it is ok and even mature to admit when you’re off.
[quote]BE RELENTLESS wrote:
Yet you continue to call him a thug attacker. Why? [/quote]
Because he is black, duh.
And following someone and asking questions can be illegal. It may not be in some cases but in others it is. White people tend to say it’s OK because they tend to not be the ones who get followed and questioned.
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Your butthurt is showing.
As I’ve said: because evidence supports a story that is innocent until proven guilty.
What Zimmerman did, according to an evidence and testimony corroborated story, was not illegal.
White people get questioned, ticketed, arrested, investigated et cetera.
It’s pretty stupid to put words in a persons mouth when his views have been typed in to the conversation for all to see. Don’t be retarded.
[quote]FrozenNinja wrote:
What is this bullshit??? I lived in Florida for FOURTEEN YEARS…been in and out of gated communities and we ALWAYS WALKED CAR OR NO CAR. WE EVEN WALKED HOME FROM SCHOOL. We walked all over gated communities and other people did the same it was niether strange nor odd. People in gated communities don’t look outside their window and GASP someone is walking![/quote]
You’re lying.[/quote]
Umm no I’m not. How are you going to tell me I’m lying when i’ve actually lived there? You have no clue what the Sanford neighborhood even looks like!
I also graduated with my degree from the University of Central Florida. It’s a real school. Also the biggest brick and motar college in the nation.
So I know SOOOOO much about Florida and the area yet I’m lying? Please. Moved to Florida from Brooklyn, New York when I was twelve. Went to middle school then high school then college all in FLORIDA.
Performing poorly in school and blaming it on your teachers/the system is the first step towards failure. Read the textbook and get after school help, which was available when I was in school ALWAYS in inner-city, 80% minority schools. That will solve most of your problems.
My high school was officially 78% black and 11% hispanic, with the remainder being white, asian, and other. Ranked as the #49 high school in the USA during my sophomore year. Teachers were all pretty good, I maintained a B+ average the whole time and earned several college scholarships. As did many of my black and hispanic peers. AP courses were offerred at no cost to students. After-school tutoring as well. My sister went to a suburban school and didn’t do so well despite it being 80% white.
I’m not trying to make an argument based on anecdotal evidence, but zecarlo, you are simply mistaken. Blame the students (or their parents) and their weak wills, not the teachers and the “system”.
In general, most fat people are fat by choice. Most poor people are poor by choice. Most unsuccessful people are unsuccessful by choice. It’s like being pissed at a cop for giving you a speeding ticket you earned, or being pissed at a teacher for failing a test you know you didn’t study for or care about.
[quote]JLD2k3 wrote:
According to some he’s already guilty of 1st degree murder, treason, being pasty, racial profiling, and carrying more than 14 clubs in his golf bag. Others are waiting for the facts to come to light. It’s a mixed bag, but if you can ignore 2-3 posters, a good discussion.[/quote]
Truthfully, many of the others who started out as “waiting for the facts to come in” have progressed to vigorously defending Zimmerman.
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That might be, at least in some cases, because in this country, you’re innocent until proven guilty.
In general, most fat people are fat by choice. Most poor people are poor by choice.
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I honestly can’t believe you just compared these two as if poverty were the same as stuffing yourself with pie. No, I would strongly disagree that most poor people are that way by CHOICE.
In general, most fat people are fat by choice. Most poor people are poor by choice.
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I honestly can’t believe you just compared these two as if poverty were the same as stuffing yourself with pie. No, I would strongly disagree that most poor people are that way by CHOICE. [/quote]
Wishing and choosing are not the same, just making sure we are clear.
In general, most fat people are fat by choice. Most poor people are poor by choice.
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I honestly can’t believe you just compared these two as if poverty were the same as stuffing yourself with pie. No, I would strongly disagree that most poor people are that way by CHOICE. [/quote]
Wishing and choosing are not the same, just making sure we are clear.
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Ignorance and self righteousness aren’t the same thing either but we get heaps and heaps all over this forum.
gotta love personal attacks in place of a legitimate argument. Your shit is weak, dude; it is ok and even mature to admit when you’re off.