Black Teen Shot 3

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[quote]zecarlo wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
All you are doing is suggesting I take your word for the end all, be all truth. Not happening. You were a shitty teacher passing the buck.

Your opinion means shit. Come back with substantiated fact if you want to continue. Until then, you are the douche with a jaded world view screaming from the worlds smallest soapbox.[/quote]

And you aren’t doing the same? Only it’s not your word but someone else’s. That’s called hearsay. I guess everyone else has to produce facts but not you.
[/quote]
I’ve listed unanswered facts AND met your conjecture with conjecture.

Facts:

  1. Public schools share a state mandated curriculum
  2. Tutoring and remedial classes are available
  3. Honors/GT/Accelerated et cetera classes are available to low income students

Common knowledge. You, on the other hand, claim a “system” is holding kids in certain districts down intentionally. Show me or shut the fuck up.

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[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
LOL @
-“Is that a criminal?..uh, nope…I see a dog. What about that guy… criminal? Nope, he has on matching jogging wear. Wait…is that an “uncolored” individual walking with no dog and/or matching jogging outfit!!!”

“SHOOOOOOOTT!!!”[/quote]

Well, according to the only evidence we have, he was shot because he decided to backtrack and jump the mexican security dude and proceed to pound his head into the pavement.

Jumping people at night is a good way to get shot.[/quote]

No Evidence of Backtracking ( only zim is making that claim and he is the shooter )
No Evidence of Jumping ( even if they fought we have no evidence of this jumping/attack people keep quoting as a fact)
No Evidence of pounding a head into pavement ( No evidence of this evidence of a Head pounding even if zim has a wound on his head he can get that from the fall he took while they scuffled )

Man you are worse than the Cable news with these facts.

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[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]Swolegasm wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
LOL @ “walking = low class”.

[/quote]

I think he is a troll.[/quote]
I think you’re a troll.[/quote]

HoustonGuy:

Houston has a similar climate and many a gated community.

Who walks in Houston to actually GET SOMEWHERE? People you’d invite in for tea and crumpets?

I’m sorry, but walking = too poor for car = out of place in gated community.

744

[quote]four60 wrote:

[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
LOL @
-“Is that a criminal?..uh, nope…I see a dog. What about that guy… criminal? Nope, he has on matching jogging wear. Wait…is that an “uncolored” individual walking with no dog and/or matching jogging outfit!!!”

“SHOOOOOOOTT!!!”[/quote]

Well, according to the only evidence we have, he was shot because he decided to backtrack and jump the mexican security dude and proceed to pound his head into the pavement.

Jumping people at night is a good way to get shot.[/quote]

No Evidence of Backtracking ( only zim is making that claim and he is the shooter )
No Evidence of Jumping ( even if they fought we have no evidence of this jumping/attack people keep quoting as a fact)
No Evidence of pounding a head into pavement ( No evidence of this evidence of a Head pounding even if zim has a wound on his head he can get that from the fall he took while they scuffled )

Man you are worse than the Cable news with these facts.[/quote]

What evidence do you have to controvert Zimmerman? None? So why don’t you believe him? Because he’s Hispanic?

BTW, ABC issued a retraction and admitted there was evidence of head-pounding. Keep up.

745

[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:

[quote]four60 wrote:

[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
LOL @
-“Is that a criminal?..uh, nope…I see a dog. What about that guy… criminal? Nope, he has on matching jogging wear. Wait…is that an “uncolored” individual walking with no dog and/or matching jogging outfit!!!”

“SHOOOOOOOTT!!!”[/quote]

Well, according to the only evidence we have, he was shot because he decided to backtrack and jump the mexican security dude and proceed to pound his head into the pavement.

Jumping people at night is a good way to get shot.[/quote]

No Evidence of Backtracking ( only zim is making that claim and he is the shooter )
No Evidence of Jumping ( even if they fought we have no evidence of this jumping/attack people keep quoting as a fact)
No Evidence of pounding a head into pavement ( No evidence of this evidence of a Head pounding even if zim has a wound on his head he can get that from the fall he took while they scuffled )

Man you are worse than the Cable news with these facts.[/quote]

What evidence do you have to controvert Zimmerman? None? So why don’t you believe him? Because he’s Hispanic?

BTW, ABC issued a retraction and admitted there was evidence of head-pounding. Keep up.[/quote]

No, stop it man. A wound on the back of the head is not evidence that someone pounded your head against the pavement.

The fact that you choose to blindly accept the statement of a man that is being investigated for shooting a unarmed citizen as if he has no reason to lie says more about you than the news shows doing the same thing.
They at least get paid for the lies

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[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]BE RELENTLESS wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]zecarlo wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]overstand wrote:

[quote]zecarlo wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]zecarlo wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]zecarlo wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]overstand wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]overstand wrote:
Except Trayvon was found face down and shot in the chest. Did the witness also see Zimmerman flip the body over, or did he not think of that when he made up his story?
[/quote]

I’m sorry…but why would it be strange that Zimmerman manipulated the body at all after the shot went off?

It says he looked “worried”. Someone like that would check to see if the kid was dead, right?

If he didn’t, does that mean Trayvon died immediately?

The man’s story is not contradicted at all since Trayvon was found face down like he described.[/quote]

So Zimmerman was on top, shot Trayvon in the chest and then flipped him over on to his stomach? He couldn’t check his pulse if he was lying face up?[/quote]

He could have checked to see if the bullet passed through. It doesn’t matter. The kid was shot in the chest and found on his back. SOMETHING must have turned him over or he fell that way.

remember, Zimmerman doesn’t seem rational at all so why is this somehow something he can’t do?

LOL at people ignoring how off this man was yet still acting like his choices were perfectly rational and sound.[/quote]
I thought previous transgressions didn’t matter? Because, you know, Trayvon attacked a bus driver and all.[/quote]

But he wasn’t carrying a gun.
[/quote]
Irrelevant.[/quote]
Not really. When you carry a gun you can’t afford to be an idiot. Does anyone really believe that Trayvon would have (let alone could have) killed Zimmerman with his bare hands? Anyone other than Zimmerman? [/quote]
Death or serious injury so yes.[/quote]
I should have added anyone without an agenda as well. Now Trayvon goes from a kid walking home with skittles to someone who wanted to kill with his bare hands. You really are trying too hard. [/quote]

I believe HG was pointing out that one need not necessarily fear death and that serious bodily injury is also grounds for self defense.
[/quote]
Yes and in the event Trayvon attacked Zimmerman which has been the topic of debate, or so I thought.[/quote]
No, you were implying that Zimmerman carrying a deadly weapon was somehow the same as Trayvon carrying his…fists. In other words: Zimmerman was a hothead. Oh yeah, so was Trayvon. Zimmerman however was a hothead with a gun. Trayvon was a hothead with hands. I don’t think anyone would say that they cancel each other out. The one with the gun, for his own protection let alone the safety of others, should carry more burden to behave rationally. [/quote]
You just read what I was implying. I appreciate your projection though.

Following your rabbit hole just for fun and based on evidence corroborating the story being discussed, Zimmerman was attacked by Martin and drew his weapon in self defense, not a hot headed decision to murder; making the gun he was carrying irrelevant to your point of two hot headed dudes getting in to some ego fueled tussle ending in murder.

At least pretend to have half a head in the ongoing conversation.[/quote]

You can follow down the “your rabbit hole just for fun and based on evidence corroborating the story being discussed” but don’t disregard said evidence. Zimmerman followed Martin, and based on his voice on the 911 calls the general consensus can agree he ran after him. Now if being a hothead is defined as a hasty or impetuous person (the free dictionary), then both parties can be determined hotheads based on the evidence. But Zimmerman’s police report says Negligent Homicide/Unnecessary killing. This event is something that Zimmerman precipated by (self-admittedly) following the boy. You can go down as many rabbit holes as you’d like, but that is still evidence. Please try to keep in context.
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This has been discussed ad nauseum. There is nothing illegal about following a person or asking questions. Nobody has denied Zimmerman followed Martin. The issue will be who was attacked by whom. There are 2.5 threads titled “Black Teen Shot” discussing this, go back and find your context.[/quote]

And as already discussed before, it goes well beyond who was attacked by who. Since Zimmerman followed Martin then what point do you have continually stating that Martin attacked Zimmerman??? Martin would’ve been protected by the Stand your Ground Law, thus making his attack NOT hotheaded but justified. Yet you continue to call him a thug attacker. Why?

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[quote]four60 wrote:
The fact that you choose to blindly accept the statement of a man that that is being investigated for shooting a unarmed citizen as if he has no reason to lie says more about you than the news shows doing the same thing. They at least get paid for the lies
[/quote]

I know we are supposed to lynch the guy because he’s Hispanic, but sorry, this is the USA, and, Hispanic or no, he’s innocent until proven guilty.

I fully grant you that Zimmerman has ample reason to lie, but his story has been consistent, is consistent with the witnesses, and is consistent with the physical evidence.

We have to PROVE he jumped or whatever Martin.

There is NOTHING to controvert his statement. Nothing to prove that Zimmerman started the physical altercation with Martin.

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[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]Swolegasm wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
LOL @ “walking = low class”.

[/quote]

I think he is a troll.[/quote]
I think you’re a troll.[/quote]

HoustonGuy:

Houston has a similar climate and many a gated community.

Who walks in Houston to actually GET SOMEWHERE? People you’d invite in for tea and crumpets?

I’m sorry, but walking = too poor for car = out of place in gated community.[/quote]
Generally speaking, nobody walks to a destination in actual gated community. Kids will ride bikes and essentially all 17 year olds have cars. People will drive a block to run on a treadmill.

That said, the community in question is not exactly exclusive. Townhomes with a gate and neighborhoods of million dollar homes, club houses and golf courses are worlds apart.

But yes, in true high end gated communities it is odd to see people walking to a destination. Even if they walk a dog or baby for miles. One of those weird things.

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[quote]BE RELENTLESS wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]BE RELENTLESS wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]zecarlo wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]overstand wrote:

[quote]zecarlo wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]zecarlo wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]zecarlo wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]overstand wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]overstand wrote:
Except Trayvon was found face down and shot in the chest. Did the witness also see Zimmerman flip the body over, or did he not think of that when he made up his story?
[/quote]

I’m sorry…but why would it be strange that Zimmerman manipulated the body at all after the shot went off?

It says he looked “worried”. Someone like that would check to see if the kid was dead, right?

If he didn’t, does that mean Trayvon died immediately?

The man’s story is not contradicted at all since Trayvon was found face down like he described.[/quote]

So Zimmerman was on top, shot Trayvon in the chest and then flipped him over on to his stomach? He couldn’t check his pulse if he was lying face up?[/quote]

He could have checked to see if the bullet passed through. It doesn’t matter. The kid was shot in the chest and found on his back. SOMETHING must have turned him over or he fell that way.

remember, Zimmerman doesn’t seem rational at all so why is this somehow something he can’t do?

LOL at people ignoring how off this man was yet still acting like his choices were perfectly rational and sound.[/quote]
I thought previous transgressions didn’t matter? Because, you know, Trayvon attacked a bus driver and all.[/quote]

But he wasn’t carrying a gun.
[/quote]
Irrelevant.[/quote]
Not really. When you carry a gun you can’t afford to be an idiot. Does anyone really believe that Trayvon would have (let alone could have) killed Zimmerman with his bare hands? Anyone other than Zimmerman? [/quote]
Death or serious injury so yes.[/quote]
I should have added anyone without an agenda as well. Now Trayvon goes from a kid walking home with skittles to someone who wanted to kill with his bare hands. You really are trying too hard. [/quote]

I believe HG was pointing out that one need not necessarily fear death and that serious bodily injury is also grounds for self defense.
[/quote]
Yes and in the event Trayvon attacked Zimmerman which has been the topic of debate, or so I thought.[/quote]
No, you were implying that Zimmerman carrying a deadly weapon was somehow the same as Trayvon carrying his…fists. In other words: Zimmerman was a hothead. Oh yeah, so was Trayvon. Zimmerman however was a hothead with a gun. Trayvon was a hothead with hands. I don’t think anyone would say that they cancel each other out. The one with the gun, for his own protection let alone the safety of others, should carry more burden to behave rationally. [/quote]
You just read what I was implying. I appreciate your projection though.

Following your rabbit hole just for fun and based on evidence corroborating the story being discussed, Zimmerman was attacked by Martin and drew his weapon in self defense, not a hot headed decision to murder; making the gun he was carrying irrelevant to your point of two hot headed dudes getting in to some ego fueled tussle ending in murder.

At least pretend to have half a head in the ongoing conversation.[/quote]

You can follow down the “your rabbit hole just for fun and based on evidence corroborating the story being discussed” but don’t disregard said evidence. Zimmerman followed Martin, and based on his voice on the 911 calls the general consensus can agree he ran after him. Now if being a hothead is defined as a hasty or impetuous person (the free dictionary), then both parties can be determined hotheads based on the evidence. But Zimmerman’s police report says Negligent Homicide/Unnecessary killing. This event is something that Zimmerman precipated by (self-admittedly) following the boy. You can go down as many rabbit holes as you’d like, but that is still evidence. Please try to keep in context.
[/quote]
This has been discussed ad nauseum. There is nothing illegal about following a person or asking questions. Nobody has denied Zimmerman followed Martin. The issue will be who was attacked by whom. There are 2.5 threads titled “Black Teen Shot” discussing this, go back and find your context.[/quote]

And as already discussed before, it goes well beyond who was attacked by who. Since Zimmerman followed Martin then what point do you have continually stating that Martin attacked Zimmerman??? Martin would’ve been protected by the Stand your Ground Law, thus making his attack NOT hotheaded but justified. Yet you continue to call him a thug attacker. Why? [/quote]
Follow and attack do not precipitate the same reaction. Go back and the the discussion.

750

I’m away for a bit only to return to read some dumb ass is now saying WALKING is low class!

Heaven forbid anyone take a jog there. He may be mistaken for someone who is trying to get away with something.

751

[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:

[quote]four60 wrote:
The fact that you choose to blindly accept the statement of a man that that is being investigated for shooting a unarmed citizen as if he has no reason to lie says more about you than the news shows doing the same thing. They at least get paid for the lies
[/quote]

I know we are supposed to lynch the guy because he’s Hispanic, but sorry, this is the USA, and, Hispanic or no, he’s innocent until proven guilty.

I fully grant you that Zimmerman has ample reason to lie, but his story has been consistent, is consistent with the witnesses, and is consistent with the physical evidence.

We have to PROVE he jumped or whatever Martin.

There is NOTHING to controvert his statement. Nothing to prove that Zimmerman started the physical altercation with Martin.[/quote]

Not one so called witness has been positive of what they seen. It’s all I think or seems to be. So I’ll wait till the Feds find out what is fact from fiction sad it has to come to federal involvement but here we are.

The whole consistent story thing. What is that?? He was questioned then released We don’t know how many times he made any statements?

And the whole innocent until proven guilty thing Works for Trayvon Martin as well. Unless you lose that right after you are killed.

I’ll leave the other hang ups about Hispanics as an attempt by you as a Joke.

752

[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
I’m away for a bit only to return to read some dumb ass is now saying WALKING is low class!

Heaven forbid anyone take a jog there. He may be mistaken for someone who is trying to get away with something. [/quote]

I lived in a gated community while I was stationed in St Pete and I walked all the time to the store and back. This is just silly. Really silly reaching.

753

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]BE RELENTLESS wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]BE RELENTLESS wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]zecarlo wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]overstand wrote:

[quote]zecarlo wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]zecarlo wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]zecarlo wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]overstand wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]overstand wrote:
Except Trayvon was found face down and shot in the chest. Did the witness also see Zimmerman flip the body over, or did he not think of that when he made up his story?
[/quote]

I’m sorry…but why would it be strange that Zimmerman manipulated the body at all after the shot went off?

It says he looked “worried”. Someone like that would check to see if the kid was dead, right?

If he didn’t, does that mean Trayvon died immediately?

The man’s story is not contradicted at all since Trayvon was found face down like he described.[/quote]

So Zimmerman was on top, shot Trayvon in the chest and then flipped him over on to his stomach? He couldn’t check his pulse if he was lying face up?[/quote]

He could have checked to see if the bullet passed through. It doesn’t matter. The kid was shot in the chest and found on his back. SOMETHING must have turned him over or he fell that way.

remember, Zimmerman doesn’t seem rational at all so why is this somehow something he can’t do?

LOL at people ignoring how off this man was yet still acting like his choices were perfectly rational and sound.[/quote]
I thought previous transgressions didn’t matter? Because, you know, Trayvon attacked a bus driver and all.[/quote]

But he wasn’t carrying a gun.
[/quote]
Irrelevant.[/quote]
Not really. When you carry a gun you can’t afford to be an idiot. Does anyone really believe that Trayvon would have (let alone could have) killed Zimmerman with his bare hands? Anyone other than Zimmerman? [/quote]
Death or serious injury so yes.[/quote]
I should have added anyone without an agenda as well. Now Trayvon goes from a kid walking home with skittles to someone who wanted to kill with his bare hands. You really are trying too hard. [/quote]

I believe HG was pointing out that one need not necessarily fear death and that serious bodily injury is also grounds for self defense.
[/quote]
Yes and in the event Trayvon attacked Zimmerman which has been the topic of debate, or so I thought.[/quote]
No, you were implying that Zimmerman carrying a deadly weapon was somehow the same as Trayvon carrying his…fists. In other words: Zimmerman was a hothead. Oh yeah, so was Trayvon. Zimmerman however was a hothead with a gun. Trayvon was a hothead with hands. I don’t think anyone would say that they cancel each other out. The one with the gun, for his own protection let alone the safety of others, should carry more burden to behave rationally. [/quote]
You just read what I was implying. I appreciate your projection though.

Following your rabbit hole just for fun and based on evidence corroborating the story being discussed, Zimmerman was attacked by Martin and drew his weapon in self defense, not a hot headed decision to murder; making the gun he was carrying irrelevant to your point of two hot headed dudes getting in to some ego fueled tussle ending in murder.

At least pretend to have half a head in the ongoing conversation.[/quote]

You can follow down the “your rabbit hole just for fun and based on evidence corroborating the story being discussed” but don’t disregard said evidence. Zimmerman followed Martin, and based on his voice on the 911 calls the general consensus can agree he ran after him. Now if being a hothead is defined as a hasty or impetuous person (the free dictionary), then both parties can be determined hotheads based on the evidence. But Zimmerman’s police report says Negligent Homicide/Unnecessary killing. This event is something that Zimmerman precipated by (self-admittedly) following the boy. You can go down as many rabbit holes as you’d like, but that is still evidence. Please try to keep in context.
[/quote]
This has been discussed ad nauseum. There is nothing illegal about following a person or asking questions. Nobody has denied Zimmerman followed Martin. The issue will be who was attacked by whom. There are 2.5 threads titled “Black Teen Shot” discussing this, go back and find your context.[/quote]

And as already discussed before, it goes well beyond who was attacked by who. Since Zimmerman followed Martin then what point do you have continually stating that Martin attacked Zimmerman??? Martin would’ve been protected by the Stand your Ground Law, thus making his attack NOT hotheaded but justified. Yet you continue to call him a thug attacker. Why? [/quote]
Follow and attack do not precipitate the same reaction. Go back and the the discussion.[/quote]

Then it circles back to perception…and will only continue circling as long as you debate the struggle alone. When Zimmerman was getting his ass kicked he perceived that he needed to react with deadly force. However the police report doesn’t lie… his deadly force was Negligent and Unnecessary. This whole thing goes well beyong the struggle.

754

[quote]BE RELENTLESS wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]BE RELENTLESS wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]BE RELENTLESS wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]zecarlo wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]overstand wrote:

[quote]zecarlo wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]zecarlo wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]zecarlo wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]overstand wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]overstand wrote:
Except Trayvon was found face down and shot in the chest. Did the witness also see Zimmerman flip the body over, or did he not think of that when he made up his story?
[/quote]

I’m sorry…but why would it be strange that Zimmerman manipulated the body at all after the shot went off?

It says he looked “worried”. Someone like that would check to see if the kid was dead, right?

If he didn’t, does that mean Trayvon died immediately?

The man’s story is not contradicted at all since Trayvon was found face down like he described.[/quote]

So Zimmerman was on top, shot Trayvon in the chest and then flipped him over on to his stomach? He couldn’t check his pulse if he was lying face up?[/quote]

He could have checked to see if the bullet passed through. It doesn’t matter. The kid was shot in the chest and found on his back. SOMETHING must have turned him over or he fell that way.

remember, Zimmerman doesn’t seem rational at all so why is this somehow something he can’t do?

LOL at people ignoring how off this man was yet still acting like his choices were perfectly rational and sound.[/quote]
I thought previous transgressions didn’t matter? Because, you know, Trayvon attacked a bus driver and all.[/quote]

But he wasn’t carrying a gun.
[/quote]
Irrelevant.[/quote]
Not really. When you carry a gun you can’t afford to be an idiot. Does anyone really believe that Trayvon would have (let alone could have) killed Zimmerman with his bare hands? Anyone other than Zimmerman? [/quote]
Death or serious injury so yes.[/quote]
I should have added anyone without an agenda as well. Now Trayvon goes from a kid walking home with skittles to someone who wanted to kill with his bare hands. You really are trying too hard. [/quote]

I believe HG was pointing out that one need not necessarily fear death and that serious bodily injury is also grounds for self defense.
[/quote]
Yes and in the event Trayvon attacked Zimmerman which has been the topic of debate, or so I thought.[/quote]
No, you were implying that Zimmerman carrying a deadly weapon was somehow the same as Trayvon carrying his…fists. In other words: Zimmerman was a hothead. Oh yeah, so was Trayvon. Zimmerman however was a hothead with a gun. Trayvon was a hothead with hands. I don’t think anyone would say that they cancel each other out. The one with the gun, for his own protection let alone the safety of others, should carry more burden to behave rationally. [/quote]
You just read what I was implying. I appreciate your projection though.

Following your rabbit hole just for fun and based on evidence corroborating the story being discussed, Zimmerman was attacked by Martin and drew his weapon in self defense, not a hot headed decision to murder; making the gun he was carrying irrelevant to your point of two hot headed dudes getting in to some ego fueled tussle ending in murder.

At least pretend to have half a head in the ongoing conversation.[/quote]

You can follow down the “your rabbit hole just for fun and based on evidence corroborating the story being discussed” but don’t disregard said evidence. Zimmerman followed Martin, and based on his voice on the 911 calls the general consensus can agree he ran after him. Now if being a hothead is defined as a hasty or impetuous person (the free dictionary), then both parties can be determined hotheads based on the evidence. But Zimmerman’s police report says Negligent Homicide/Unnecessary killing. This event is something that Zimmerman precipated by (self-admittedly) following the boy. You can go down as many rabbit holes as you’d like, but that is still evidence. Please try to keep in context.
[/quote]
This has been discussed ad nauseum. There is nothing illegal about following a person or asking questions. Nobody has denied Zimmerman followed Martin. The issue will be who was attacked by whom. There are 2.5 threads titled “Black Teen Shot” discussing this, go back and find your context.[/quote]

And as already discussed before, it goes well beyond who was attacked by who. Since Zimmerman followed Martin then what point do you have continually stating that Martin attacked Zimmerman??? Martin would’ve been protected by the Stand your Ground Law, thus making his attack NOT hotheaded but justified. Yet you continue to call him a thug attacker. Why? [/quote]
Follow and attack do not precipitate the same reaction. Go back and the the discussion.[/quote]

Then it circles back to perception…and will only continue circling as long as you debate the struggle alone. When Zimmerman was getting his ass kicked he perceived that he needed to react with deadly force. However the police report doesn’t lie… his deadly force was Negligent and Unnecessary. This whole thing goes well beyong the struggle.[/quote]
If deemed necessary, the police report will be entered as evidence to a court of law, where actual legal determinations are made. The debate will keep circling as long as people push for guilt until proven innocent.

755

What is this bullshit??? I lived in Florida for FOURTEEN YEARS…been in and out of gated communities and we ALWAYS WALKED CAR OR NO CAR. WE EVEN WALKED HOME FROM SCHOOL. We walked all over gated communities and other people did the same it was niether strange nor odd. People in gated communities don’t look outside their window and GASP someone is walking!

756

[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
I’m away for a bit only to return to read some dumb ass is now saying WALKING is low class!

Heaven forbid anyone take a jog there. He may be mistaken for someone who is trying to get away with something. [/quote]

Did you intentionally omit the part where there are key exceptions to the “pedestrians are out of place” observation (jogging, dogs, babies, old folks) or do you just have really poor reading comprehension?

Look, I know you are a super-cool long hair hippy and all, but yes, the suburbanites look down on you, think you are weird, and will call the cops if they see your midget hippy ass walking around their gated community at night, just like they call the cops if they saw me walking around.

Yes, they think you are low class if you don’t have a car.

757

[quote]FrozenNinja wrote:
What is this bullshit??? I lived in Florida for FOURTEEN YEARS…been in and out of gated communities and we ALWAYS WALKED CAR OR NO CAR. WE EVEN WALKED HOME FROM SCHOOL. We walked all over gated communities and other people did the same it was niether strange nor odd. People in gated communities don’t look outside their window and GASP someone is walking![/quote]

You’re lying.

758

[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:

[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
I’m away for a bit only to return to read some dumb ass is now saying WALKING is low class!

Heaven forbid anyone take a jog there. He may be mistaken for someone who is trying to get away with something. [/quote]

Did you intentionally omit the part where there are key exceptions to the “pedestrians are out of place” observation (jogging, dogs, babies, old folks) or do you just have really poor reading comprehension?

Look, I know you are a super-cool long hair hippy and all, but yes, the suburbanites look down on you, think you are weird, and will call the cops if they see your midget hippy ass walking around their gated community at night, just like they call the cops if they saw me walking around.

Yes, they think you are low class if you don’t have a car.[/quote]

  1. I’m not a hippie.

  2. I don’t have long hair.

  3. You’re still a dumb ass.

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[quote]four60 wrote:
I’ll leave the other hang ups about Hispanics as an attempt by you as a Joke.[/quote]

I am, indeed, being sarcastic. I am a born-on-the-reservation Apache, and many shades darker than you. While not Hispanic, I am generally considered one by people that don’t know me.

It’s obvious to me that Zimmerman is not being believed because the victim is black and the shooter was not.

There have been clear attempts to smear Zimmerman as a racist, down to NBC editing the 911 tape in an intentionally misleading fashion.

ABC intentionally edited the video to hide the injuries to Zimmerman’s head.

It’s a shocking double-standard of proof, with every possible error – and sometimes just flat out lies — being made in favor of Martin against the Hispanic Zimmerman.

I think it’s bigoted to not give Zimmerman his Constitutional right of being deemed innocent until proven guilty.

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[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:

[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:

[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
I’m away for a bit only to return to read some dumb ass is now saying WALKING is low class!

Heaven forbid anyone take a jog there. He may be mistaken for someone who is trying to get away with something. [/quote]

Did you intentionally omit the part where there are key exceptions to the “pedestrians are out of place” observation (jogging, dogs, babies, old folks) or do you just have really poor reading comprehension?

Look, I know you are a super-cool long hair hippy and all, but yes, the suburbanites look down on you, think you are weird, and will call the cops if they see your midget hippy ass walking around their gated community at night, just like they call the cops if they saw me walking around.

Yes, they think you are low class if you don’t have a car.[/quote]

  1. I’m not a hippie.

  2. I don’t have long hair.

  3. You’re still a dumb ass.
    [/quote]

Apparently smarter than you, alas, such that I can see the viewpoint of suburbanites in Florida, even though I am about as far from one as humanly possible.