[quote]FISCHER613 wrote:
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/04/03/nbcnews-trayvonmartin-idUSL2E8F3DHF20120403
Nice one Media.
That was not Racial profiling. That was answering questions by the Dispatcher.
Way to go NBC.[/quote]
I thought FOX was bad. NBC just shot to the top of my list for biased, unreliable reporting. Un-fucking real.
[quote]sam_sneed wrote:
[quote]FISCHER613 wrote:
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/04/03/nbcnews-trayvonmartin-idUSL2E8F3DHF20120403
Nice one Media.
That was not Racial profiling. That was answering questions by the Dispatcher.
Way to go NBC.[/quote]
I thought FOX was bad. NBC just shot to the top of my list for biased, unreliable reporting. Un-fucking real.[/quote]
LOL! I guess those police dispatchers are the racists then. There goes like 95% of the three threads. Zimmerman didn’t even seem to care about race until directly asked.
Fucking ghost stories.
Why do people refer to Zimmerman as “neighborhood watch” in a way that implies it means something significant? It is a meaningless title that holds no more or less authority or gives any more or less rights than any other citizen. It does not make Zimmerman special or better than anyone else, although he may have thought that, and does not excuse anything he did or give him a legitimate reason to do what he did.
He cannot fall back on it as having any relevance to defend his actions be they judged criminal or, simply irresponsible and idiotic. Besides all of of that apparently his “position” was self-appointed. The whole, “but he was neighborhood watch,” defense is ridiculous.
“You shouldn’t follow/chase someone on a rainy night. Someone might come to the reasonable conclusion that you are out to do them harm. It is also illegal.”
“But he was neighborhood watch.”
“Oh. In that case he is above the law.”
[quote]sam_sneed wrote:
[quote]FISCHER613 wrote:
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/04/03/nbcnews-trayvonmartin-idUSL2E8F3DHF20120403
Nice one Media.
That was not Racial profiling. That was answering questions by the Dispatcher.
Way to go NBC.[/quote]
I thought FOX was bad. NBC just shot to the top of my list for biased, unreliable reporting. Un-fucking real.[/quote]
Fox, MSNBC, CNN they need to stop calling what they do reporting. It’s mostly a story wrapped in Commentary and Editorials but they still call it all news. Oh and they start each session with BREAKING, JUST IN, EXCLUISIVE hahahahah while most of it is just an opinion it’s exclusively yours with little facts to back it up.
Also can people stop quoting “Twitter post” and “guys that know someone” as if it is backed up by honest investigative reporting.
“JUST IN we have a a guy who hacked a tweet of his brother that asked if he hit a bus driver”
“BREAKING NEWS- we have a cousin of a co-worker that says while in uniform he seen him drop kick a old lady thru a glass door then ate her liver”
More at 11.
[quote]zecarlo wrote:
Why do people refer to Zimmerman as “neighborhood watch” in a way that implies it means something significant? It is a meaningless title that holds no more or less authority or gives any more or less rights than any other citizen. It does not make Zimmerman special or better than anyone else, although he may have thought that, and does not excuse anything he did or give him a legitimate reason to do what he did. He cannot fall back on it as having any relevance to defend his actions be they judged criminal or, simply irresponsible and idiotic. Besides all of of that apparently his “position” was self-appointed. The whole, “but he was neighborhood watch,” defense is ridiculous.
“You shouldn’t follow/chase someone on a rainy night. Someone might come to the reasonable conclusion that you are out to do them harm. It is also illegal.”
“But he was neighborhood watch.”
“Oh. In that case he is above the law.” [/quote]
No one said he was above the law, only acting within it. Keep your comprehension glasses on.
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]njrusmc wrote:
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
[quote]FrozenNinja wrote:
It was drizzling, and he asked Martin if they could go inside. When they were seated he pulled out a photo. It was Trayvon, dead at the scene - his eyes rolled back, a tear on his cheek, saliva coming from his mouth. “From that point, our nightmare,” Martin said.
I’m not typically a softee…but the visual imagery here got me. Guess it depends on what light you view Trayvon in. [/quote]
As a dad myself, this image tears me up. For me, this case is about unjustly losing a child, and the killer goes free.
[/quote]
I still think he’s going to be indicted and tried. Hopefully both happen soon … put the issue to rest.[/quote]
This issue isn’t going to rest any time soon. That family is going to be less one son forever. That means no grandkids, no stepdaughter, and no memories. Trayvon just became the modern public face of racial profiling whether he wanted to be or not.
Regardless of his color, his life was taken because some apparent jackass got let off for doing something that most would have been charged with a felony for (which would have kept him from owning a gun or ever being a cop). If we want to pretend “daddy-Judge” had nothing to do with that I guess that is ok…but this “thug” killed a kid because he couldn’t control himself. [/quote]
No, this neighborhood watch killed a thug attacking him.[/quote]
A thug who followed a teen… knowing full well police were on the way, so as to appear the hero when teen was apprehended just as the police arrived.
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
[quote]overstand wrote:
[quote]zecarlo wrote:
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
[quote]zecarlo wrote:
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
[quote]zecarlo wrote:
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]overstand wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]overstand wrote:
Except Trayvon was found face down and shot in the chest. Did the witness also see Zimmerman flip the body over, or did he not think of that when he made up his story?
[/quote]
I’m sorry…but why would it be strange that Zimmerman manipulated the body at all after the shot went off?
It says he looked “worried”. Someone like that would check to see if the kid was dead, right?
If he didn’t, does that mean Trayvon died immediately?
The man’s story is not contradicted at all since Trayvon was found face down like he described.[/quote]
So Zimmerman was on top, shot Trayvon in the chest and then flipped him over on to his stomach? He couldn’t check his pulse if he was lying face up?[/quote]
He could have checked to see if the bullet passed through. It doesn’t matter. The kid was shot in the chest and found on his back. SOMETHING must have turned him over or he fell that way.
remember, Zimmerman doesn’t seem rational at all so why is this somehow something he can’t do?
LOL at people ignoring how off this man was yet still acting like his choices were perfectly rational and sound.[/quote]
I thought previous transgressions didn’t matter? Because, you know, Trayvon attacked a bus driver and all.[/quote]
But he wasn’t carrying a gun.
[/quote]
Irrelevant.[/quote]
Not really. When you carry a gun you can’t afford to be an idiot. Does anyone really believe that Trayvon would have (let alone could have) killed Zimmerman with his bare hands? Anyone other than Zimmerman? [/quote]
Death or serious injury so yes.[/quote]
I should have added anyone without an agenda as well. Now Trayvon goes from a kid walking home with skittles to someone who wanted to kill with his bare hands. You really are trying too hard. [/quote]
I believe HG was pointing out that one need not necessarily fear death and that serious bodily injury is also grounds for self defense.
[/quote]
Yes and in the event Trayvon attacked Zimmerman which has been the topic of debate, or so I thought.[/quote]
No, you were implying that Zimmerman carrying a deadly weapon was somehow the same as Trayvon carrying his…fists. In other words: Zimmerman was a hothead. Oh yeah, so was Trayvon. Zimmerman however was a hothead with a gun. Trayvon was a hothead with hands. I don’t think anyone would say that they cancel each other out. The one with the gun, for his own protection let alone the safety of others, should carry more burden to behave rationally.
[quote]four60 wrote:
Fox, MSNBC, CNN they need to stop calling what they do reporting. It’s mostly a story wrapped in Commentary and Editorials but they still call it all news. Oh and they start each session with BREAKING, JUST IN, EXCLUISIVE hahahahah while most of it is just an opinion it’s exclusively yours with little facts to back it up.
Also can people stop quoting “Twitter post” and “guys that know someone” as if it is backed up by honest investigative reporting.
“JUST IN we have a a guy who hacked a tweet of his brother that asked if he hit a bus driver”
“BREAKING NEWS- we have a cousin of a co-worker that says while in uniform he seen him drop kick a old lady thru a glass door then ate her liver”
More at 11.[/quote]
I feel the same way. Maybe I was just naive when I was younger and didn’t notice it before, but it really seems to have gotten worse over the last 10 years.
[quote]sam_sneed wrote:
[quote]four60 wrote:
Fox, MSNBC, CNN they need to stop calling what they do reporting. It’s mostly a story wrapped in Commentary and Editorials but they still call it all news. Oh and they start each session with BREAKING, JUST IN, EXCLUISIVE hahahahah while most of it is just an opinion it’s exclusively yours with little facts to back it up.
Also can people stop quoting “Twitter post” and “guys that know someone” as if it is backed up by honest investigative reporting.
“JUST IN we have a a guy who hacked a tweet of his brother that asked if he hit a bus driver”
“BREAKING NEWS- we have a cousin of a co-worker that says while in uniform he seen him drop kick a old lady thru a glass door then ate her liver”
More at 11.[/quote]
I feel the same way. Maybe I was just naive when I was younger and didn’t notice it before, but it really seems to have gotten worse over the last 10 years.[/quote]
They just give the people what they want. The news business emphasizes the business part.
[quote]zecarlo wrote:
Why do people refer to Zimmerman as “neighborhood watch” in a way that implies it means something significant? It is a meaningless title that holds no more or less authority or gives any more or less rights than any other citizen. It does not make Zimmerman special or better than anyone else, although he may have thought that, and does not excuse anything he did or give him a legitimate reason to do what he did. He cannot fall back on it as having any relevance to defend his actions be they judged criminal or, simply irresponsible and idiotic. Besides all of of that apparently his “position” was self-appointed. The whole, “but he was neighborhood watch,” defense is ridiculous.
“You shouldn’t follow/chase someone on a rainy night. Someone might come to the reasonable conclusion that you are out to do them harm. It is also illegal.”
“But he was neighborhood watch.”
“Oh. In that case he is above the law.” [/quote]
We are to blame for that. The big Cable News guys came out with catch phrases for both sides and we (everyone) flew with it.
Zimmerman and Martin have been painted as things they are not both good and bad.
The first reports on Zimm had us all thinking he was in uniform and a marked car on Patrol.
The first Reports on Martin had us thinking he was 12.
BOTH wrong
The Second reports had Zimmerman as damn near neo Nazi out to kill black youth.
The second reports on Martin had him as a drug dealing Thug with a criminal record.
Both Wrong
( Martin has never been arrested for anything he was suspended but not EXPELLED and Zimm had a record with the police and both parties are not saints)
Martin was not a Thug Criminal, not a Saint he was Just a 17yr old kid who did have issues in his last school.
Zimmerman while not the Neo Nazi people want him to be is a Dumbass who had a record with the police.
[quote]zecarlo wrote:
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
Kids today and even twenty years ago get the same public education I got, take the same tests for college and get an upper hand in admissions with bullshit like top 10%.
[/quote]
And you base this assumption on what? Personal experience or imagination? Tell me how much time you have spent in inner city schools to come up with your obviously well-informed opinion.
[/quote]
So I assume it is imagination.
That’s why I quit watching most news programs. Most on Fox literally seem to be telling viewers what to think instead of presenting news. The rest just seem to lie too much on top of it.
I feel sorry for people who won’t acknowledge they are being manipulated if they cater to one side as if is the one truth.
[quote]sam_sneed wrote:
[quote]four60 wrote:
Fox, MSNBC, CNN they need to stop calling what they do reporting. It’s mostly a story wrapped in Commentary and Editorials but they still call it all news. Oh and they start each session with BREAKING, JUST IN, EXCLUISIVE hahahahah while most of it is just an opinion it’s exclusively yours with little facts to back it up.
Also can people stop quoting “Twitter post” and “guys that know someone” as if it is backed up by honest investigative reporting.
“JUST IN we have a a guy who hacked a tweet of his brother that asked if he hit a bus driver”
“BREAKING NEWS- we have a cousin of a co-worker that says while in uniform he seen him drop kick a old lady thru a glass door then ate her liver”
More at 11.[/quote]
I feel the same way. Maybe I was just naive when I was younger and didn’t notice it before, but it really seems to have gotten worse over the last 10
years.[/quote]
I stick to local news when I can. They still BS at times but it’s easier to spot. And MOST of it is actual NEWS.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
That’s why I quit watching most news programs. Most on Fox literally seem to be telling viewers what to think instead of presenting news. The rest just seem to lie too much on top of it.
I feel sorry for people who won’t acknowledge they are being manipulated if they cater to one side as if is the one truth.[/quote]
It’s crazy when a cable news channel can REPORT a “Twitter post” from a friend to martins brother asking if he “swung at a bus driver” then is reported as news then morphs into “Martin Beats up bus Driver” WTF. We have not even confirmed the TWEET ( that was a question) is factual but now it’s reported as fact.
And the fuckers get away with it. Are paid well for it and other news outlets run with it.
[quote]zecarlo wrote:
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
[quote]overstand wrote:
[quote]zecarlo wrote:
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
[quote]zecarlo wrote:
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
[quote]zecarlo wrote:
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]overstand wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]overstand wrote:
Except Trayvon was found face down and shot in the chest. Did the witness also see Zimmerman flip the body over, or did he not think of that when he made up his story?
[/quote]
I’m sorry…but why would it be strange that Zimmerman manipulated the body at all after the shot went off?
It says he looked “worried”. Someone like that would check to see if the kid was dead, right?
If he didn’t, does that mean Trayvon died immediately?
The man’s story is not contradicted at all since Trayvon was found face down like he described.[/quote]
So Zimmerman was on top, shot Trayvon in the chest and then flipped him over on to his stomach? He couldn’t check his pulse if he was lying face up?[/quote]
He could have checked to see if the bullet passed through. It doesn’t matter. The kid was shot in the chest and found on his back. SOMETHING must have turned him over or he fell that way.
remember, Zimmerman doesn’t seem rational at all so why is this somehow something he can’t do?
LOL at people ignoring how off this man was yet still acting like his choices were perfectly rational and sound.[/quote]
I thought previous transgressions didn’t matter? Because, you know, Trayvon attacked a bus driver and all.[/quote]
But he wasn’t carrying a gun.
[/quote]
Irrelevant.[/quote]
Not really. When you carry a gun you can’t afford to be an idiot. Does anyone really believe that Trayvon would have (let alone could have) killed Zimmerman with his bare hands? Anyone other than Zimmerman? [/quote]
Death or serious injury so yes.[/quote]
I should have added anyone without an agenda as well. Now Trayvon goes from a kid walking home with skittles to someone who wanted to kill with his bare hands. You really are trying too hard. [/quote]
I believe HG was pointing out that one need not necessarily fear death and that serious bodily injury is also grounds for self defense.
[/quote]
Yes and in the event Trayvon attacked Zimmerman which has been the topic of debate, or so I thought.[/quote]
No, you were implying that Zimmerman carrying a deadly weapon was somehow the same as Trayvon carrying his…fists. In other words: Zimmerman was a hothead. Oh yeah, so was Trayvon. Zimmerman however was a hothead with a gun. Trayvon was a hothead with hands. I don’t think anyone would say that they cancel each other out. The one with the gun, for his own protection let alone the safety of others, should carry more burden to behave rationally. [/quote]
You just read what I was implying. I appreciate your projection though.
Following your rabbit hole just for fun and based on evidence corroborating the story being discussed, Zimmerman was attacked by Martin and drew his weapon in self defense, not a hot headed decision to murder; making the gun he was carrying irrelevant to your point of two hot headed dudes getting in to some ego fueled tussle ending in murder.
At least pretend to have half a head in the ongoing conversation.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
That’s why I quit watching most news programs. Most on Fox literally seem to be telling viewers what to think instead of presenting news. The rest just seem to lie too much on top of it.
I feel sorry for people who won’t acknowledge they are being manipulated if they cater to one side as if is the one truth.[/quote]
Uh, hello… paging Professor X…
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
[quote]sam_sneed wrote:
[quote]FISCHER613 wrote:
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/04/03/nbcnews-trayvonmartin-idUSL2E8F3DHF20120403
Nice one Media.
That was not Racial profiling. That was answering questions by the Dispatcher.
Way to go NBC.[/quote]
I thought FOX was bad. NBC just shot to the top of my list for biased, unreliable reporting. Un-fucking real.[/quote]
LOL! I guess those police dispatchers are the racists then. There goes like 95% of the three threads. Zimmerman didn’t even seem to care about race until directly asked.
Fucking ghost stories.[/quote]
And bump for fun.
[quote]four60 wrote:
[quote]zecarlo wrote:
Why do people refer to Zimmerman as “neighborhood watch” in a way that implies it means something significant? It is a meaningless title that holds no more or less authority or gives any more or less rights than any other citizen. It does not make Zimmerman special or better than anyone else, although he may have thought that, and does not excuse anything he did or give him a legitimate reason to do what he did. He cannot fall back on it as having any relevance to defend his actions be they judged criminal or, simply irresponsible and idiotic. Besides all of of that apparently his “position” was self-appointed. The whole, “but he was neighborhood watch,” defense is ridiculous.
“You shouldn’t follow/chase someone on a rainy night. Someone might come to the reasonable conclusion that you are out to do them harm. It is also illegal.”
“But he was neighborhood watch.”
“Oh. In that case he is above the law.” [/quote]
We are to blame for that. The big Cable News guys came out with catch phrases for both sides and we (everyone) flew with it.
Zimmerman and Martin have been painted as things they are not both good and bad.
The first reports on Zimm had us all thinking he was in uniform and a marked car on Patrol.
The first Reports on Martin had us thinking he was 12.
BOTH wrong
The Second reports had Zimmerman as damn near neo Nazi out to kill black youth.
The second reports on Martin had him as a drug dealing Thug with a criminal record.
Both Wrong
( Martin has never been arrested for anything he was suspended but not EXPELLED and Zimm had a record with the police and both parties are not saints)
Martin was not a Thug Criminal, not a Saint he was Just a 17yr old kid who did have issues in his last school.
Zimmerman while not the Neo Nazi people want him to be is a Dumbass who had a record with the police. [/quote]
Also, for the record, Zimmerman’s arrest for “assaulting a ‘police officer’” is just a tad exaggerated too.
“Zimmerman had been arrested in 2005 for shoving a state alcohol agent officer during an argument at a bar. Charges were dropped after he entered a special program for first-time offenders.”
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/04/03/us-usa-florida-shooting-trayvon-idUSBRE8320UK20120403
In Texas, these guys are the TABC or Texas Alchoholic Beverage Commission. This commission grants licenses to sell alchohol basically. There are also ‘special’ TABC enforcement officers, real hoots.
These cooters, often “undercover” hang out at bars trying to pop minors drinking. They are real douche bags. All the charicatures of Martin being “super cop” earlier apply here. Very pushy, condescending et cetera and often before identifying themselves as any type of officer.
It’s not a stretch to imagine one of them in Florida was being a real douche to Zimmerman and deserved the shove he got, then cried foul, kind of like Kobe flopping in the paint.
Just saying. It’s not like Zimmerman hauled off and decked an actual cop, as news reports would leave readers to believe.
[quote]Brett620 wrote:
After following these threads, I have learned one thing:
Don’t argue with Houston Guy unless you have some facts and some sense.
Carry on.[/quote]
You mean you give him a valid argument and in return he says something meaningless and avoids answering what you said.
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
[quote]four60 wrote:
[quote]zecarlo wrote:
Why do people refer to Zimmerman as “neighborhood watch” in a way that implies it means something significant? It is a meaningless title that holds no more or less authority or gives any more or less rights than any other citizen. It does not make Zimmerman special or better than anyone else, although he may have thought that, and does not excuse anything he did or give him a legitimate reason to do what he did. He cannot fall back on it as having any relevance to defend his actions be they judged criminal or, simply irresponsible and idiotic. Besides all of of that apparently his “position” was self-appointed. The whole, “but he was neighborhood watch,” defense is ridiculous.
“You shouldn’t follow/chase someone on a rainy night. Someone might come to the reasonable conclusion that you are out to do them harm. It is also illegal.”
“But he was neighborhood watch.”
“Oh. In that case he is above the law.” [/quote]
We are to blame for that. The big Cable News guys came out with catch phrases for both sides and we (everyone) flew with it.
Zimmerman and Martin have been painted as things they are not both good and bad.
The first reports on Zimm had us all thinking he was in uniform and a marked car on Patrol.
The first Reports on Martin had us thinking he was 12.
BOTH wrong
The Second reports had Zimmerman as damn near neo Nazi out to kill black youth.
The second reports on Martin had him as a drug dealing Thug with a criminal record.
Both Wrong
( Martin has never been arrested for anything he was suspended but not EXPELLED and Zimm had a record with the police and both parties are not saints)
Martin was not a Thug Criminal, not a Saint he was Just a 17yr old kid who did have issues in his last school.
Zimmerman while not the Neo Nazi people want him to be is a Dumbass who had a record with the police. [/quote]
Also, for the record, Zimmerman’s arrest for “assaulting a ‘police officer’” is just a tad exaggerated too.
“Zimmerman had been arrested in 2005 for shoving a state alcohol agent officer during an argument at a bar. Charges were dropped after he entered a special program for first-time offenders.”
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/04/03/us-usa-florida-shooting-trayvon-idUSBRE8320UK20120403
In Texas, these guys are the TABC or Texas Alchoholic Beverage Commission. This commission grants licenses to sell alchohol basically. There are also ‘special’ TABC enforcement officers, real hoots.
These cooters, often “undercover” hang out at bars trying to pop minors drinking. They are real douche bags. All the charicatures of Martin being “super cop” earlier apply here. Very pushy, condescending et cetera and often before identifying themselves as any type of officer.
It’s not a stretch to imagine one of them in Florida was being a real douche to Zimmerman and deserved the shove he got, then cried foul, kind of like Kobe flopping in the paint.
Just saying. It’s not like Zimmerman hauled off and decked an actual cop, as news reports would leave readers to believe.[/quote]
I never heard he swung at anyone. Just that he was arrested.
But some news agency’s and web news bloggers only posted him as an Lawful Neighborhood Watchman on patrol.
It’s why I don’t comment on his family, friends or coworkers statements. Same with Martins family, friends or Tweets.