[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
Figured this would be related to the recent talk of the thread(somewhat to the original topic) about authority and identifying one’s self.
Mind you, I’ve experienced crap like that. Being from Houston, that wasn’t rare at all. Some of these cops have attitudes like they really think all of that power makes them judges.
“As in many cities in the South, Sanford has a long history of racial tension, and black mistrust of the police runs deep. In 2011, a previous Sanford police chief was forced out of the job after a white police officer’s son was captured on video sucker-punching a black homeless man outside a bar.”
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
[quote]zecarlo wrote:
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]overstand wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]overstand wrote:
Except Trayvon was found face down and shot in the chest. Did the witness also see Zimmerman flip the body over, or did he not think of that when he made up his story?
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I’m sorry…but why would it be strange that Zimmerman manipulated the body at all after the shot went off?
It says he looked “worried”. Someone like that would check to see if the kid was dead, right?
If he didn’t, does that mean Trayvon died immediately?
The man’s story is not contradicted at all since Trayvon was found face down like he described.[/quote]
So Zimmerman was on top, shot Trayvon in the chest and then flipped him over on to his stomach? He couldn’t check his pulse if he was lying face up?[/quote]
He could have checked to see if the bullet passed through. It doesn’t matter. The kid was shot in the chest and found on his back. SOMETHING must have turned him over or he fell that way.
remember, Zimmerman doesn’t seem rational at all so why is this somehow something he can’t do?
LOL at people ignoring how off this man was yet still acting like his choices were perfectly rational and sound.[/quote]
I thought previous transgressions didn’t matter? Because, you know, Trayvon attacked a bus driver and all.[/quote]
But he wasn’t carrying a gun.
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Irrelevant.[/quote]
Not really. When you carry a gun you can’t afford to be an idiot. Does anyone really believe that Trayvon would have (let alone could have) killed Zimmerman with his bare hands? Anyone other than Zimmerman?
It was drizzling, and he asked Martin if they could go inside. When they were seated he pulled out a photo. It was Trayvon, dead at the scene - his eyes rolled back, a tear on his cheek, saliva coming from his mouth. “From that point, our nightmare,” Martin said.
I’m not typically a softee…but the visual imagery here got me. Guess it depends on what light you view Trayvon in.
[quote]FrozenNinja wrote:
It was drizzling, and he asked Martin if they could go inside. When they were seated he pulled out a photo. It was Trayvon, dead at the scene - his eyes rolled back, a tear on his cheek, saliva coming from his mouth. “From that point, our nightmare,” Martin said.
I’m not typically a softee…but the visual imagery here got me. Guess it depends on what light you view Trayvon in. [/quote]
As a dad myself, this image tears me up. For me, this case is about unjustly losing a child, and the killer goes free.
[quote]zecarlo wrote:
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
[quote]zecarlo wrote:
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]overstand wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]overstand wrote:
Except Trayvon was found face down and shot in the chest. Did the witness also see Zimmerman flip the body over, or did he not think of that when he made up his story?
[/quote]
I’m sorry…but why would it be strange that Zimmerman manipulated the body at all after the shot went off?
It says he looked “worried”. Someone like that would check to see if the kid was dead, right?
If he didn’t, does that mean Trayvon died immediately?
The man’s story is not contradicted at all since Trayvon was found face down like he described.[/quote]
So Zimmerman was on top, shot Trayvon in the chest and then flipped him over on to his stomach? He couldn’t check his pulse if he was lying face up?[/quote]
He could have checked to see if the bullet passed through. It doesn’t matter. The kid was shot in the chest and found on his back. SOMETHING must have turned him over or he fell that way.
remember, Zimmerman doesn’t seem rational at all so why is this somehow something he can’t do?
LOL at people ignoring how off this man was yet still acting like his choices were perfectly rational and sound.[/quote]
I thought previous transgressions didn’t matter? Because, you know, Trayvon attacked a bus driver and all.[/quote]
But he wasn’t carrying a gun.
[/quote]
Irrelevant.[/quote]
Not really. When you carry a gun you can’t afford to be an idiot. Does anyone really believe that Trayvon would have (let alone could have) killed Zimmerman with his bare hands? Anyone other than Zimmerman? [/quote]
Death or serious injury so yes.
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
[quote]zecarlo wrote:
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
[quote]zecarlo wrote:
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]overstand wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]overstand wrote:
Except Trayvon was found face down and shot in the chest. Did the witness also see Zimmerman flip the body over, or did he not think of that when he made up his story?
[/quote]
I’m sorry…but why would it be strange that Zimmerman manipulated the body at all after the shot went off?
It says he looked “worried”. Someone like that would check to see if the kid was dead, right?
If he didn’t, does that mean Trayvon died immediately?
The man’s story is not contradicted at all since Trayvon was found face down like he described.[/quote]
So Zimmerman was on top, shot Trayvon in the chest and then flipped him over on to his stomach? He couldn’t check his pulse if he was lying face up?[/quote]
He could have checked to see if the bullet passed through. It doesn’t matter. The kid was shot in the chest and found on his back. SOMETHING must have turned him over or he fell that way.
remember, Zimmerman doesn’t seem rational at all so why is this somehow something he can’t do?
LOL at people ignoring how off this man was yet still acting like his choices were perfectly rational and sound.[/quote]
I thought previous transgressions didn’t matter? Because, you know, Trayvon attacked a bus driver and all.[/quote]
But he wasn’t carrying a gun.
[/quote]
Irrelevant.[/quote]
Not really. When you carry a gun you can’t afford to be an idiot. Does anyone really believe that Trayvon would have (let alone could have) killed Zimmerman with his bare hands? Anyone other than Zimmerman? [/quote]
Death or serious injury so yes.[/quote]
I should have added anyone without an agenda as well. Now Trayvon goes from a kid walking home with skittles to someone who wanted to kill with his bare hands. You really are trying too hard.
[quote]zecarlo wrote:
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
[quote]zecarlo wrote:
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
[quote]zecarlo wrote:
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]overstand wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]overstand wrote:
Except Trayvon was found face down and shot in the chest. Did the witness also see Zimmerman flip the body over, or did he not think of that when he made up his story?
[/quote]
I’m sorry…but why would it be strange that Zimmerman manipulated the body at all after the shot went off?
It says he looked “worried”. Someone like that would check to see if the kid was dead, right?
If he didn’t, does that mean Trayvon died immediately?
The man’s story is not contradicted at all since Trayvon was found face down like he described.[/quote]
So Zimmerman was on top, shot Trayvon in the chest and then flipped him over on to his stomach? He couldn’t check his pulse if he was lying face up?[/quote]
He could have checked to see if the bullet passed through. It doesn’t matter. The kid was shot in the chest and found on his back. SOMETHING must have turned him over or he fell that way.
remember, Zimmerman doesn’t seem rational at all so why is this somehow something he can’t do?
LOL at people ignoring how off this man was yet still acting like his choices were perfectly rational and sound.[/quote]
I thought previous transgressions didn’t matter? Because, you know, Trayvon attacked a bus driver and all.[/quote]
But he wasn’t carrying a gun.
[/quote]
Irrelevant.[/quote]
Not really. When you carry a gun you can’t afford to be an idiot. Does anyone really believe that Trayvon would have (let alone could have) killed Zimmerman with his bare hands? Anyone other than Zimmerman? [/quote]
Death or serious injury so yes.[/quote]
I should have added anyone without an agenda as well. Now Trayvon goes from a kid walking home with skittles to someone who wanted to kill with his bare hands. You really are trying too hard. [/quote]
I believe HG was pointing out that one need not necessarily fear death and that serious bodily injury is also grounds for self defense.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/04/03/nbcnews-trayvonmartin-idUSL2E8F3DHF20120403
Nice one Media.
That was not Racial profiling. That was answering questions by the Dispatcher.
Way to go NBC.
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
[quote]FrozenNinja wrote:
It was drizzling, and he asked Martin if they could go inside. When they were seated he pulled out a photo. It was Trayvon, dead at the scene - his eyes rolled back, a tear on his cheek, saliva coming from his mouth. “From that point, our nightmare,” Martin said.
I’m not typically a softee…but the visual imagery here got me. Guess it depends on what light you view Trayvon in. [/quote]
As a dad myself, this image tears me up. For me, this case is about unjustly losing a child, and the killer goes free.
[/quote]
I still think he’s going to be indicted and tried. Hopefully both happen soon … put the issue to rest.
[quote]overstand wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]overstand wrote:
Except Trayvon was found face down and shot in the chest. Did the witness also see Zimmerman flip the body over, or did he not think of that when he made up his story?
[/quote]
I’m sorry…but why would it be strange that Zimmerman manipulated the body at all after the shot went off?
It says he looked “worried”. Someone like that would check to see if the kid was dead, right?
If he didn’t, does that mean Trayvon died immediately?
The man’s story is not contradicted at all since Trayvon was found face down like he described.[/quote]
So Zimmerman was on top, shot Trayvon in the chest and then flipped him over on to his stomach? He couldn’t check his pulse if he was lying face up?
Doesn’t make any sense, please don’t even try to argue that it does.
The only way Trayvon getting shot in the chest and ending up face down makes any sense is if he was on top. That doesn’t mean he threw the first punch, but it does mean this guy’s story is bullshit.[/quote]
I do believe the only thing that is bullshit is believing there is simply no possible way Trayvon could have ended up on his stomach other than being on top of someone else.
We still don’t even know for sure who was screaming.
Was Trayvon killed instantly?
Did Zimmerman flip the body?
These are all valid questions to ask, not simply disregard.
[quote]overstand wrote:
[quote]zecarlo wrote:
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
[quote]zecarlo wrote:
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
[quote]zecarlo wrote:
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]overstand wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]overstand wrote:
Except Trayvon was found face down and shot in the chest. Did the witness also see Zimmerman flip the body over, or did he not think of that when he made up his story?
[/quote]
I’m sorry…but why would it be strange that Zimmerman manipulated the body at all after the shot went off?
It says he looked “worried”. Someone like that would check to see if the kid was dead, right?
If he didn’t, does that mean Trayvon died immediately?
The man’s story is not contradicted at all since Trayvon was found face down like he described.[/quote]
So Zimmerman was on top, shot Trayvon in the chest and then flipped him over on to his stomach? He couldn’t check his pulse if he was lying face up?[/quote]
He could have checked to see if the bullet passed through. It doesn’t matter. The kid was shot in the chest and found on his back. SOMETHING must have turned him over or he fell that way.
remember, Zimmerman doesn’t seem rational at all so why is this somehow something he can’t do?
LOL at people ignoring how off this man was yet still acting like his choices were perfectly rational and sound.[/quote]
I thought previous transgressions didn’t matter? Because, you know, Trayvon attacked a bus driver and all.[/quote]
But he wasn’t carrying a gun.
[/quote]
Irrelevant.[/quote]
Not really. When you carry a gun you can’t afford to be an idiot. Does anyone really believe that Trayvon would have (let alone could have) killed Zimmerman with his bare hands? Anyone other than Zimmerman? [/quote]
Death or serious injury so yes.[/quote]
I should have added anyone without an agenda as well. Now Trayvon goes from a kid walking home with skittles to someone who wanted to kill with his bare hands. You really are trying too hard. [/quote]
I believe HG was pointing out that one need not necessarily fear death and that serious bodily injury is also grounds for self defense.
[/quote]
Yes and in the event Trayvon attacked Zimmerman which has been the topic of debate, or so I thought.
[quote]njrusmc wrote:
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
[quote]FrozenNinja wrote:
It was drizzling, and he asked Martin if they could go inside. When they were seated he pulled out a photo. It was Trayvon, dead at the scene - his eyes rolled back, a tear on his cheek, saliva coming from his mouth. “From that point, our nightmare,” Martin said.
I’m not typically a softee…but the visual imagery here got me. Guess it depends on what light you view Trayvon in. [/quote]
As a dad myself, this image tears me up. For me, this case is about unjustly losing a child, and the killer goes free.
[/quote]
I still think he’s going to be indicted and tried. Hopefully both happen soon … put the issue to rest.[/quote]
This issue isn’t going to rest any time soon. That family is going to be less one son forever. That means no grandkids, no stepdaughter, and no memories. Trayvon just became the modern public face of racial profiling whether he wanted to be or not.
Regardless of his color, his life was taken because some apparent jackass got let off for doing something that most would have been charged with a felony for (which would have kept him from owning a gun or ever being a cop). If we want to pretend “daddy-Judge” had nothing to do with that I guess that is ok…but this “thug” killed a kid because he couldn’t control himself.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]njrusmc wrote:
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
[quote]FrozenNinja wrote:
It was drizzling, and he asked Martin if they could go inside. When they were seated he pulled out a photo. It was Trayvon, dead at the scene - his eyes rolled back, a tear on his cheek, saliva coming from his mouth. “From that point, our nightmare,” Martin said.
I’m not typically a softee…but the visual imagery here got me. Guess it depends on what light you view Trayvon in. [/quote]
As a dad myself, this image tears me up. For me, this case is about unjustly losing a child, and the killer goes free.
[/quote]
I still think he’s going to be indicted and tried. Hopefully both happen soon … put the issue to rest.[/quote]
This issue isn’t going to rest any time soon. That family is going to be less one son forever. That means no grandkids, no stepdaughter, and no memories. Trayvon just became the modern public face of racial profiling whether he wanted to be or not.
Regardless of his color, his life was taken because some apparent jackass got let off for doing something that most would have been charged with a felony for (which would have kept him from owning a gun or ever being a cop). If we want to pretend “daddy-Judge” had nothing to do with that I guess that is ok…but this “thug” killed a kid because he couldn’t control himself. [/quote]
No, this neighborhood watch killed a thug attacking him.
After following these threads, I have learned one thing:
Don’t argue with Houston Guy unless you have some facts and some sense.
Carry on.
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]njrusmc wrote:
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
[quote]FrozenNinja wrote:
It was drizzling, and he asked Martin if they could go inside. When they were seated he pulled out a photo. It was Trayvon, dead at the scene - his eyes rolled back, a tear on his cheek, saliva coming from his mouth. “From that point, our nightmare,” Martin said.
I’m not typically a softee…but the visual imagery here got me. Guess it depends on what light you view Trayvon in. [/quote]
As a dad myself, this image tears me up. For me, this case is about unjustly losing a child, and the killer goes free.
[/quote]
I still think he’s going to be indicted and tried. Hopefully both happen soon … put the issue to rest.[/quote]
This issue isn’t going to rest any time soon. That family is going to be less one son forever. That means no grandkids, no stepdaughter, and no memories. Trayvon just became the modern public face of racial profiling whether he wanted to be or not.
Regardless of his color, his life was taken because some apparent jackass got let off for doing something that most would have been charged with a felony for (which would have kept him from owning a gun or ever being a cop). If we want to pretend “daddy-Judge” had nothing to do with that I guess that is ok…but this “thug” killed a kid because he couldn’t control himself. [/quote]
No, this neighborhood watch killed a thug attacking him.[/quote]
LOL. The neighborhood watch that was facing a felony for attacking people.
[quote]FISCHER613 wrote:
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/04/03/nbcnews-trayvonmartin-idUSL2E8F3DHF20120403
Nice one Media.
That was not Racial profiling. That was answering questions by the Dispatcher.
Way to go NBC.[/quote]
NBC’s only regret is that they got caught. I believe in freedom of the press, but honestly how is this any different than yelling BOMB in a crowded airport? Their only aim was to stir the pot of racism and foment civil unrest.
Hopefully Zimmerman lawyers up and sues them for millions.
[quote]njrusmc wrote:
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
[quote]FrozenNinja wrote:
It was drizzling, and he asked Martin if they could go inside. When they were seated he pulled out a photo. It was Trayvon, dead at the scene - his eyes rolled back, a tear on his cheek, saliva coming from his mouth. “From that point, our nightmare,” Martin said.
I’m not typically a softee…but the visual imagery here got me. Guess it depends on what light you view Trayvon in. [/quote]
As a dad myself, this image tears me up. For me, this case is about unjustly losing a child, and the killer goes free.
[/quote]
I still think he’s going to be indicted and tried. Hopefully both happen soon … put the issue to rest.[/quote]
I hope the DA thinks long and hard before pressing charges. They need to understand that it will be virtually impossible to get Zimmerman a fair trial. He’s already been convicted by the liberal lynch mob.
[quote]overstand wrote:
[quote]njrusmc wrote:
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
[quote]FrozenNinja wrote:
It was drizzling, and he asked Martin if they could go inside. When they were seated he pulled out a photo. It was Trayvon, dead at the scene - his eyes rolled back, a tear on his cheek, saliva coming from his mouth. “From that point, our nightmare,” Martin said.
I’m not typically a softee…but the visual imagery here got me. Guess it depends on what light you view Trayvon in. [/quote]
As a dad myself, this image tears me up. For me, this case is about unjustly losing a child, and the killer goes free.
[/quote]
I still think he’s going to be indicted and tried. Hopefully both happen soon … put the issue to rest.[/quote]
I hope the DA thinks long and hard before pressing charges. They need to understand that it will be virtually impossible to get Zimmerman a fair trial. He’s already been convicted by the liberal lynch mob.[/quote]
Based on the Casey Anthony verdict I think you can still get a fair trial in Florida. Most people were ready to stick the needle in her arm before the trial, yet the jury was able to analyze the facts and realize the prosecution had no real evidence.
[quote]overstand wrote:
[quote]njrusmc wrote:
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
[quote]FrozenNinja wrote:
It was drizzling, and he asked Martin if they could go inside. When they were seated he pulled out a photo. It was Trayvon, dead at the scene - his eyes rolled back, a tear on his cheek, saliva coming from his mouth. “From that point, our nightmare,” Martin said.
I’m not typically a softee…but the visual imagery here got me. Guess it depends on what light you view Trayvon in. [/quote]
As a dad myself, this image tears me up. For me, this case is about unjustly losing a child, and the killer goes free.
[/quote]
I still think he’s going to be indicted and tried. Hopefully both happen soon … put the issue to rest.[/quote]
I hope the DA thinks long and hard before pressing charges. They need to understand that it will be virtually impossible to get Zimmerman a fair trial. He’s already been convicted by the liberal lynch mob.[/quote]
Not true, lazy and piss poor lawyers can do a bad job selecting a jury but it’s still the best system.
But no matter what happens this dumbasses pursuit of an unarmed citizen has made every state level politician put “Gun Laws” up front for reelection promises.