[quote]Chushin wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
But nothing changes if the reaction is to act like the people complaining of this are all just seeing things.[/quote]
FWIW, I do not think they are all just seeing things.
But prior to spending 20 years as a minority (a white guy in Asia), I probably would have.
I worry that it seems almost impossible for people who have never experienced this to really understand.
I worry for our country.[/quote]
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[quote]overstand wrote:
[quote]WW3General wrote:
I would like to say that making a left hand turn from the right lane is ridiculously dangerous, and I would Like Tyler to rethink that, not because of fear of getting pulled over but out of respect for the rest of the population their lives and wellbeing.[/quote]
No shit!!!
I read that article, I can’t believe Frozen Ninja posted that pile of horse shit as some sort of evidence of racial profiling. COPS TREAT EVERYBODY THAT WAY. Especially if you just did something extremely dangerous, and your excuse was you think you are being followed.
And Professor X, THEY ASK EVERYBODY WHAT THEY ARE DOING. You honestly think your life is in danger because a cop asks you what you are doing?
Are the black people in this thread for real right now? Is this real life? Is that really what you are up in arms about?
Unbelievable. You are the saddest, most pathetic bunch of pussies I have seen in a while. Go back and read Jewbacca’s posts about real racial discrimination.[/quote]
Deep Sigh I posted the Tyler Perry link just to highlight how racially charged we’ve become as a country these past months. Maybe I should have done it all as one post…but the last post in that series ended with me saying “WOW America is really racially charged…”
I also do not care for his films. hahaha does anyone like Tyler Perry on Tnation???
As far as the racial profiling, I believe Tyler had his “situation” turn out like it did because (according to him) the cops were over accusative and for being one of the richest men in Atlanta THEY HAD NO CLUE WHO HE WAS. LOL thats like living in NYC and not knowing who Donald Trump is…But sometimes no matter how nicely you are dressed, no matter what nice car you drive just cuz you’re Black you’re automatically up to no good.
Granted he was driving like a moron but the cops could have been more tactfull (in this situation) in their approach. You have no need to lecture me on what cops do routinely…I have enough family in Law Enforcement for that. And If being socially concious of my enviroment around me makes me a pussy…well we are what we are…LMAO
[quote]FrozenNinja wrote:
[quote]overstand wrote:
[quote]WW3General wrote:
I would like to say that making a left hand turn from the right lane is ridiculously dangerous, and I would Like Tyler to rethink that, not because of fear of getting pulled over but out of respect for the rest of the population their lives and wellbeing.[/quote]
No shit!!!
I read that article, I can’t believe Frozen Ninja posted that pile of horse shit as some sort of evidence of racial profiling. COPS TREAT EVERYBODY THAT WAY. Especially if you just did something extremely dangerous, and your excuse was you think you are being followed.
And Professor X, THEY ASK EVERYBODY WHAT THEY ARE DOING. You honestly think your life is in danger because a cop asks you what you are doing?
Are the black people in this thread for real right now? Is this real life? Is that really what you are up in arms about?
Unbelievable. You are the saddest, most pathetic bunch of pussies I have seen in a while. Go back and read Jewbacca’s posts about real racial discrimination.[/quote]
Deep Sigh I posted the Tyler Perry link just to highlight how racially charged we’ve become as a country these past months. Maybe I should have done it all as one post…but the last post in that series ended with me saying “WOW America is really racially charged…”
I also do not care for his films. hahaha does anyone like Tyler Perry on Tnation???
As far as the racial profiling, I believe Tyler had his “situation” turn out like it did because (according to him) the cops were over accusative and for being one of the richest men in Atlanta THEY HAD NO CLUE WHO HE WAS. LOL thats like living in NYC and not knowing who Donald Trump is…
But sometimes no matter how nicely you are dressed, no matter what nice car you drive just cuz you’re Black you’re automatically up to no good.
[/quote] While that is likely true in some cases… How on earth do you get that out of the Perry thing? The cops were over-accusative? Where?
Do you actually think that the Cops not knowing who Perry is has something to do with racial profiling? HOW?
FFS at least try to look at the situation from their point of view for once… [quote]
Granted he was driving like a moron but the cops could have been more tactfull (in this situation) in their approach.
[/quote] Police treat me no different… And that is despite never even breaking the speed limit or driving and acting like Perry did. Most people could use a little more tact. Thing is, police are under no obligation to be more tactful. They are there to enforce the law. And this guy raised plenty of alarm bells with the way he bahaved, while driving and after.
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You have no need to lecture me on what cops do routinely…I have enough family in Law Enforcement for that.
[/quote] In that case, how come you don’t understand why the officers would be worried and act the way they did given the dangerously driving guy who does not elaborate further beyond saying that he wants to shake of possible pursuers? Why do you automatically assume racial bias?
What do you think would have happened to a white person in that situation? (driving dangerously with no apparent justification and acting strangely without proper explanation while confronted by the officers)
[quote]
And If being socially concious of my enviroment around me makes me a pussy…well we are what we are…LMAO[/quote]
Stop confusing issues on purpose already…
[quote]Chushin wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
But nothing changes if the reaction is to act like the people complaining of this are all just seeing things.[/quote]
FWIW, I do not think they are all just seeing things.
But prior to spending 20 years as a minority (a white guy in Asia), I probably would have.
I worry that it seems almost impossible for people who have never experienced this to really understand.
I worry for our country.[/quote]
I don’t think people are just seeing things.
The problem (for me) arises when people try to make the argument that racial profiling exists, and then, instead of providing examples of that clearly happening, they put up examples with no apparent link to racial profiling… And then claim that it’s there.
That weakens the argument. It can’t be that difficult to find proper examples ffs.
I think nine times out of ten people are seeing things and choose to make the one time “all the time” in their heads.
I think it’s funny when white people tell black people how they should feel. Yeah, because we (whites) have so much experience being in their shoes. It makes you wonder who exactly are the ones imagining things.
[quote]zecarlo wrote:
I think it’s funny when white people tell black people how they should feel. Yeah, because we (whites) have so much experience being in their shoes. [/quote]
I agree. Its like when HG said in another thread that people in poverty should be able to get out by themselves. Its real easy to say that when you grew up rich.
[quote]Swolegasm wrote:
[quote]zecarlo wrote:
I think it’s funny when white people tell black people how they should feel. Yeah, because we (whites) have so much experience being in their shoes. [/quote]
I agree. Its like when HG said in another thread that people in poverty should be able to get out by themselves. Its real easy to say that when you grew up rich.[/quote]
I am white and grew up in the suburbs in the US as well as overseas for a short period. I moved to an inner city a few years ago where I also worked in the public schools. Prior to that I had worked, but not lived, in another inner city public school system. I moved back to the suburbs, for many reasons, the main one being I wanted my kid to go to a better, safer school and live in a better, safer community. Fortunately, I had that option.
Based on my experience I can say, without a doubt, that the system is stacked against kids in the inner cities. In the suburbs the system is designed to help you succeed while in the inner cities it is designed to make you fail. In know this as I was part of the system.
[quote]FrozenNinja wrote:
Deep Sigh I posted the Tyler Perry link just to highlight how racially charged we’ve become as a country these past months. Maybe I should have done it all as one post…but the last post in that series ended with me saying “WOW America is really racially charged…”
[/quote]
I’ve noticed this as well. The guess the media did what it set out to do. I see it on Facebook posts and how people are acting in general. This past Saturday my friends and I went down to Atlantic City and twice a group of black people in their car shouted “White motherfuckers” and “fuckin white something somethin”. Different cars. Atlantic City is kind of slummy but I go there 4 times a year and this usually doesn’t happen.
[quote]FrozenNinja wrote:
I also do not care for his films. hahaha does anyone like Tyler Perry on Tnation???
As far as the racial profiling, I believe Tyler had his “situation” turn out like it did because (according to him) the cops were over accusative and for being one of the richest men in Atlanta THEY HAD NO CLUE WHO HE WAS. LOL thats like living in NYC and not knowing who Donald Trump is…But sometimes no matter how nicely you are dressed, no matter what nice car you drive just cuz you’re Black you’re automatically up to no good.
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I didn’t recognize him either when I saw his picture, although I have heard of him. Do you think it’s reasonable that there are a lot of black people in NYC that wouldn’t recognize Martin Scorsese? I think that’s a closer analolgy. Trump is everywhere (especially after The Apprentice) and one of the most recognizable people in the US.
[quote]Swolegasm wrote:
[quote]zecarlo wrote:
I think it’s funny when white people tell black people how they should feel. Yeah, because we (whites) have so much experience being in their shoes. [/quote]
I agree. Its like when HG said in another thread that people in poverty should be able to get out by themselves. Its real easy to say that when you grew up rich.[/quote]
What I actually said is the opportunity exists for the taking. People have a habit of letting poor mentalities become excuses across the socio-economic spectrum. Everybody has a right to public education and can do what they choose with it. Most poor kids choose to piss the opportunity away and blame their 'hood, parents, white people… and don’t take steps to improve as adults when they “know better” either. No, self improvement is more difficult than settling in to excuses and this is true for all.
And I understand the perception some blacks have, I also understand the definition of perception, the effect of social conditioning, group think and negative thought patterns.
You can choose to take people at their word as God’s honest truth though. I heard you missed your ride on Hale Bop.
[quote]zecarlo wrote:
[quote]Swolegasm wrote:
[quote]zecarlo wrote:
I think it’s funny when white people tell black people how they should feel. Yeah, because we (whites) have so much experience being in their shoes. [/quote]
I agree. Its like when HG said in another thread that people in poverty should be able to get out by themselves. Its real easy to say that when you grew up rich.[/quote]
I am white and grew up in the suburbs in the US as well as overseas for a short period. I moved to an inner city a few years ago where I also worked in the public schools. Prior to that I had worked, but not lived, in another inner city public school system. I moved back to the suburbs, for many reasons, the main one being I wanted my kid to go to a better, safer school and live in a better, safer community. Fortunately, I had that option.
Based on my experience I can say, without a doubt, that the system is stacked against kids in the inner cities. In the suburbs the system is designed to help you succeed while in the inner cities it is designed to make you fail. In know this as I was part of the system. [/quote]
You’re full of shit. Lots of family members work in the public school system from teaching to administrative roles. Some in the suburbs some in Title One (ghetto) schools. Title one schools get far more support for tools used to encourage kids to pursue education, pass various tests, learn how education plays in to careers et cetera plus the standard curriculum, up to state and college par.
You are making shit up or deranged. Absolutely Hale Bopping. The attitude of the students (choice) makes the difference. School just isn’t “street”. Make your bed.
[quote]zecarlo wrote:
[quote]Swolegasm wrote:
[quote]zecarlo wrote:
I think it’s funny when white people tell black people how they should feel. Yeah, because we (whites) have so much experience being in their shoes. [/quote]
I agree. Its like when HG said in another thread that people in poverty should be able to get out by themselves. Its real easy to say that when you grew up rich.[/quote]
I am white and grew up in the suburbs in the US as well as overseas for a short period. I moved to an inner city a few years ago where I also worked in the public schools. Prior to that I had worked, but not lived, in another inner city public school system. I moved back to the suburbs, for many reasons, the main one being I wanted my kid to go to a better, safer school and live in a better, safer community. Fortunately, I had that option.
Based on my experience I can say, without a doubt, that the system is stacked against kids in the inner cities. In the suburbs the system is designed to help you succeed while in the inner cities it is designed to make you fail. In know this as I was part of the system. [/quote]
Good posts. My parents live in a nice suburb now. I didn’t grow up that way. That was why my mom had me going to schools FAR outside of the area I was zoned to go to school in.
Those poorer areas have a surrounding culture designed to keep people in those situations. It is a revolving door. This can not be understood if your whole life has been sanitized and designed to help you succeed. That is why many turn to sports as “the way out” instead of education. It isn’t just about the schools but the economy and lifestyle.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]zecarlo wrote:
[quote]Swolegasm wrote:
[quote]zecarlo wrote:
I think it’s funny when white people tell black people how they should feel. Yeah, because we (whites) have so much experience being in their shoes. [/quote]
I agree. Its like when HG said in another thread that people in poverty should be able to get out by themselves. Its real easy to say that when you grew up rich.[/quote]
I am white and grew up in the suburbs in the US as well as overseas for a short period. I moved to an inner city a few years ago where I also worked in the public schools. Prior to that I had worked, but not lived, in another inner city public school system. I moved back to the suburbs, for many reasons, the main one being I wanted my kid to go to a better, safer school and live in a better, safer community. Fortunately, I had that option.
Based on my experience I can say, without a doubt, that the system is stacked against kids in the inner cities. In the suburbs the system is designed to help you succeed while in the inner cities it is designed to make you fail. In know this as I was part of the system. [/quote]
Good posts. My parents live in a nice suburb now. I didn’t grow up that way. That was why my mom had me going to schools FAR outside of the area I was zoned to go to school in.
Those poorer areas have a surrounding culture designed to keep people in those situations. It is a revolving door. This can not be understood if your whole life has been sanitized and designed to help you succeed. That is why many turn to sports as “the way out” instead of education. It isn’t just about the schools but the economy and lifestyle.[/quote]
And this lack of personal responsibility is the real issue. But fuck it, it keeps my hamburgers cheap. All those hard ass don’t give a fucks (in reality won’t give a fucks) can spend their lives serving me for pennies on the dollar for all I care. I need losers to avoid the work required by opportunity so that my work keeps my life above theirs. It’s a real shame so many tax dollars actually are wasted on trying to give them an education though. Like squirting dish soap in a bucket of shit.
The kids who do make the grade though, ignore the 'hood bullshit and go in to the military, college or even community college/technical school make it worth it however and there are plenty of them for every one “it’s too hard dawg, the system is keeping me down. Ima just drop out and sell drugs”.
THIS is the reason racism is such an issue right now. Whites will try to make all kinds of stupid excuses why they hate Obama (socialist, Nazi, communist, lefty, liberal, Muslim, etc), but the real reason is they hate the idea of a black man in a high position making decisions for our nation.
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
[quote]zecarlo wrote:
[quote]Swolegasm wrote:
[quote]zecarlo wrote:
I think it’s funny when white people tell black people how they should feel. Yeah, because we (whites) have so much experience being in their shoes. [/quote]
I agree. Its like when HG said in another thread that people in poverty should be able to get out by themselves. Its real easy to say that when you grew up rich.[/quote]
I am white and grew up in the suburbs in the US as well as overseas for a short period. I moved to an inner city a few years ago where I also worked in the public schools. Prior to that I had worked, but not lived, in another inner city public school system. I moved back to the suburbs, for many reasons, the main one being I wanted my kid to go to a better, safer school and live in a better, safer community. Fortunately, I had that option.
Based on my experience I can say, without a doubt, that the system is stacked against kids in the inner cities. In the suburbs the system is designed to help you succeed while in the inner cities it is designed to make you fail. In know this as I was part of the system. [/quote]
You’re full of shit. Lots of family members work in the public school system from teaching to administrative roles. Some in the suburbs some in Title One (ghetto) schools. Title one schools get far more support for tools used to encourage kids to pursue education, pass various tests, learn how education plays in to careers et cetera plus the standard curriculum, up to state and college par.
You are making shit up or deranged. Absolutely Hale Bopping. The attitude of the students (choice) makes the difference. School just isn’t “street”. Make your bed. [/quote]
You’re probably right. I mean, why believe someone who lived and worked there when they could believe someone whose opinion is based on what he wants to believe to be true because he fears disrupting his preconceived view of the world. Reality is a scary thing which is why it should be avoided at all costs. I learned the hard way. We should all strive to be as blissfully ignorant as you.
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
THIS is the reason racism is such an issue right now. Whites will try to make all kinds of stupid excuses why they hate Obama (socialist, Nazi, communist, lefty, liberal, Muslim, etc), but the real reason is they hate the idea of a black man in a high position making decisions for our nation.[/quote]
Don’t be stupid. 43% of whites voted for Obama in 08 as opposed to 5% of blacks that voted for McCain. I know it’s hard to beleive, but some people actually DO disagree with his policies and not his skin color. Lefty and liberal are not racist comments btw, and go look back at what people called Bush. The problem is the peeple that turn every criticism into a race issue when it is not.
edit-reread your post-I see you did not mean lefty and liberal to mean a racist comment, but a “stupid excuse” to why they hate him when supposedly they really just hate him because he is black.