Hell, did Perry even manage to establish a link? Or was the hate-crime bit posted in relation to the Trayvon Martin shooting? That would make a lot more sense (sort of).
[quote]four60 wrote:
[quote]WW3General wrote:
X as far as the hunger games thing is concerned I read that people reading books visualize the characters as similar to them. That would make sense as to why all the white people who read the book thought the characters were white with a tan, and all the black people who read the book decided they were black.[/quote]
Yeah I can understand someone identifying with a character to the point of inserting themselves into the role. But some of the Crying that went on about it spoiling the whole movie for them is just silly as hell.
And why would anyone post a Tyler Perry Anything in a T-Nation thread. I would have had more passion for the topic if Flavor Flav wrote it. I hate Tyler Perry with the firey passion of a million suns. And I fell sic about it. The man has done nothing but make Millions and create jobs, all good things…but I hate his work like crack heads hate having a Giant piece of Crack and a empty lighter. My niece made me sit thru a video of one of his plays and I stll feel dirty from the memory of it.
He is the Anti Christ.
Sorry guys you can go back to whatever just had to get that out.[/quote]
I have to agree with this. I am not a Perry fan. I just never “got it”…and I don’t think I am alone on that.
I know he has a huge following, but it isn’t including me.
[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
Where do people see a link between what happened to Perry and racial profiling? And what did the officers do wrong anyway?
Personally… While I’d greatly prefer LEO to be more polite (those which aren’t already… Would help with the inevitable tension), they are there to enforce the law, not make people feel comfortable in such situations…
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I don’t see a link specifically with what he wrote as far as being stopped. My post was more related to ATTITUDE. I honestly get treated like a kid by cops in some instances. Obviously not all interactions are like this, but when someone speaks to a grown man like they are in high school (especially if no law was broken), I take offense to it. Cops have a shit load of power…and me reaching for anything could get me shot if that cop is at all too uptight or controlling.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]four60 wrote:
And why would anyone post a Tyler Perry Anything in a T-Nation thread. I would have had more passion for the topic if Flavor Flav wrote it. I hate Tyler Perry with the firey passion of a million suns. And I fell sic about it. The man has done nothing but make Millions and create jobs, all good things…but I hate his work like crack heads hate having a Giant piece of Crack and a empty lighter. My niece made me sit thru a video of one of his plays and I stll feel dirty from the memory of it.
He is the Anti Christ.
Sorry guys you can go back to whatever just had to get that out.[/quote]
I have to agree with this. I am not a Perry fan. I just never “got it”…and I don’t think I am alone on that.
I know he has a huge following, but it isn’t including me.
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Reading that Tyler Perry is taking over the role of Alex Cross from the great Morgan Freeman made me sick. I don’t care if he sticks with being in the crap he writes, directs, and produces, but he should be kept out of things that could be or are good.
Fuck you holly wood.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
Where do people see a link between what happened to Perry and racial profiling? And what did the officers do wrong anyway?
Personally… While I’d greatly prefer LEO to be more polite (those which aren’t already… Would help with the inevitable tension), they are there to enforce the law, not make people feel comfortable in such situations…
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I don’t see a link specifically with what he wrote as far as being stopped. My post was more related to ATTITUDE. I honestly get treated like a kid by cops in some instances. Obviously not all interactions are like this, but when someone speaks to a grown man like they are in high school (especially if no law was broken), I take offense to it. Cops have a shit load of power…and me reaching for anything could get me shot if that cop is at all too uptight or controlling.[/quote]
FYI, cops talk to everyone like children.
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
Where do people see a link between what happened to Perry and racial profiling? And what did the officers do wrong anyway?
Personally… While I’d greatly prefer LEO to be more polite (those which aren’t already… Would help with the inevitable tension), they are there to enforce the law, not make people feel comfortable in such situations…
[/quote]
I don’t see a link specifically with what he wrote as far as being stopped. My post was more related to ATTITUDE. I honestly get treated like a kid by cops in some instances. Obviously not all interactions are like this, but when someone speaks to a grown man like they are in high school (especially if no law was broken), I take offense to it. Cops have a shit load of power…and me reaching for anything could get me shot if that cop is at all too uptight or controlling.[/quote]
FYI, cops talk to everyone like children.[/quote]
I think some cops talk to everyone like children and others talk to everyone like adults (if they are adults). Douchebags usually don’t discriminate when it comes to douchebaggery. I don’t know what the ratio is and it probably varies from dept to dept.
[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
Where do people see a link between what happened to Perry and racial profiling? And what did the officers do wrong anyway?
Personally… While I’d greatly prefer LEO to be more polite (those which aren’t already… Would help with the inevitable tension), they are there to enforce the law, not make people feel comfortable in such situations…
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Right…making people feel UNcomfortable makes way more sense.
I am not a fan of being treated like a little kid. I am not a fan of potentially being shot for reaching for my wallet with full knowledge that the cops would get off for it by just claiming “stand your ground” or some such bullshit.
Getting stopped for some of us can cause us to consider the fact that we could die that night depending on the mood of the cop who pulled us over.
Think about that and consider how wrong a stop could go because the black dude is sweating bullets and looking nervous.
If things like this are very rare for you, then I doubt you really get it…especially if you don’t live in this country at all.
Shit, X. You must have had some God-awful police experiences to really think your life will end after being pulled over. But hey, not knocking you for it. Just never really heard that before. My last stepfather was black, probably about your age too. Grew up in the 90s in a not-great neighborhood and was a little suspicious of cops. But not like that.
After all the controversy about shooting guys who were just reaching for their wallets, I think things would be OK. Why not just say “OK officer, I am going to reach for my wallet” with the cabin light on and slow movements?
[quote]njrusmc wrote:
Shit, X. You must have had some God-awful police experiences to really think your life will end after being pulled over.[/quote]
I wanted to stop your post right there to ask you…what do you think all of the fuss about this matter/case is about if not things like this? Were you under the impression that racial profiling IMPROVED the relationship of the black community with the police?
How would you know how he was unless the topic came up specifically? If this is such a shock to you, it isn’t like you would have picked up on it anyway…just like the poster who completely missed the Amber Alert race issue and was unaware of it until it was pointed out to him.
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After all the controversy about shooting guys who were just reaching for their wallets, I think things would be OK. Why not just say “OK officer, I am going to reach for my wallet” with the cabin light on and slow movements?[/quote]
I usually ask if I can get my wallet…even after they say, “Can I see your license and registration”. That doesn’t change the perspective we are discussing nor the stress of the situation.
If you have been raised to always see cops in a positive light, then maybe that is strange to you.
[quote]njrusmc wrote:
Why not just say “OK officer, I am going to reach for my wallet” with the cabin light on and slow movements?[/quote]
That’s seriously all it takes.
But then, some seem to think that white people routinely ask the officer to hold their bong for a sec while they rummage through the decapitated hooker’s purse for their license and registration.
The Martin case is different dude. Z wasn’t a cop. If he was then I’m pretty confident things would have happened differently.
And I talked to him about it. He was my stepdad, we lived together for years. He was an OK dude. We didn’t talk about racism much but sometimes it would come up when we were bullshitting. But you’ve mentioned it probably 5 times in this thread about your strong dislike for cops. He certainly never made it that apparently, and I remember once we actually talked about getting pulled over. He was more afraid of being laid off for being black (obviously illegal), which I suppose is a similar issue on the topic of racism.
And I never said nor implied that racial profiling improved the relationship with police. I’m not sure where you drew that conclusion from at all, to be honest.
[quote]njrusmc wrote:
The Martin case is different dude. Z wasn’t a cop. If he was then I’m pretty confident things would have happened differently.[/quote]
Maybe, maybe not, but the issue that set those events in motion is THE EXACT SAME THING.
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And I talked to him about it. He was my stepdad, we lived together for years. He was an OK dude. We didn’t talk about racism much but sometimes it would come up when we were bullshitting. But you’ve mentioned it probably 5 times in this thread about your strong dislike for cops. He certainly never made it that apparently, and I remember once we actually talked about getting pulled over. He was more afraid of being laid off for being black (obviously illegal), which I suppose is a similar issue on the topic of racism.[/quote]
Dude, this is a thread about this one topic. I doubt I openly discuss this issue at all outside of very rare occurrences.
Why act like discussing it in a thread about it means I must talk about it all the time?
That’s just strange.
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And I never said nor implied that racial profiling improved the relationship with police. I’m not sure where you drew that conclusion from at all, to be honest.[/quote]
I don’t think it is insane to assume you think that racial profiling should NOT cause blacks to distrust police by asking the question of me to start with.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]njrusmc wrote:
Shit, X. You must have had some God-awful police experiences to really think your life will end after being pulled over.[/quote]
I wanted to stop your post right there to ask you…what do you think all of the fuss about this matter/case is about if not things like this? Were you under the impression that racial profiling IMPROVED the relationship of the black community with the police?
How would you know how he was unless the topic came up specifically? If this is such a shock to you, it isn’t like you would have picked up on it anyway…just like the poster who completely missed the Amber Alert race issue and was unaware of it until it was pointed out to him.
KHOU news (a Houston channel) highlighted a story about an amber alert for two black children that was called off because they were found safe today. Just saying. Probably on their website if you’d care to look.
I’m willing to bet we would have to talk statistics again, you know, cuz there are more white kids and all.
OK. I see where you are coming from. I don’t hang around T-Nation too often so I am not familiar with all the other threads that you DON’T talk about it. I’ve spent the most time in this thread and I’ve seen you bring it up multiple times, and so I decided to ask why. That’s all it was. I’m not here to call bullshit or invalidate your beliefs.
And if I were a black man I would distrust a white cop too. No doubt.
But back on topic. I agree that the issue that set those events in motion WAS the same. But here’s another WHAT IF:
If Zim were a cop, saw a “suspicious” kid, followed him, kid runs, cop chases, fight ensues, kid dies … I’m pretty confident that, without question, the cop would win in court … especially if there was proof that Martin started the fight. There would still be the question of racial profiling but things like Stand Your Ground law and disobeying the dispatcher would be moot points. The event might have ended the same way but the aftermath would be quite different.
And, the other thing I’ve wondered … what if Zimmerman were black? Would this even be a story?
X you going to get treated different then the average black man simply because you are so big.
I have a buddy half your size and he got pulled over for suspiscion of drunk driving he told the cop he had been drinking and he would take a field sobriety test. he did good enough the cop said he would just follow us home to make sure nothing dumb happened, my buddy tried to shake his hand and the cop stepped back 2 or 3 steps and asked my friend what the hell he was doing. My buddy said that he just appreciated the officer being cool and wanted to shake his hand. The cops response was we don’t do that I don’t need a big boy like you getting ahold of me and dragging me into the ditch.
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
KHOU news (a Houston channel) highlighted a story about an amber alert for two black children that was called off because they were found safe today. Just saying. Probably on their website if you’d care to look.
I’m willing to bet we would have to talk statistics again, you know, cuz there are more white kids and all.[/quote]
I mean the ones that literally get wide spread attention in newspapers, magazines, tv shows and more.
We aren’t talking about whether an Amber Alert is created at all.
[quote]WW3General wrote:
X you going to get treated different then the average black man simply because you are so big.
I have a buddy half your size and he got pulled over for suspiscion of drunk driving he told the cop he had been drinking and he would take a field sobriety test. he did good enough the cop said he would just follow us home to make sure nothing dumb happened, my buddy tried to shake his hand and the cop stepped back 2 or 3 steps and asked my friend what the hell he was doing. My buddy said that he just appreciated the officer being cool and wanted to shake his hand. The cops response was we don’t do that I don’t need a big boy like you getting ahold of me and dragging me into the ditch. [/quote]
You’re right to a degree. I get the same look from many of them that I do from some bouncers. It’s that, “Ok, what am I going to do if I need to take him down” look. I always wonder what they come up with.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
KHOU news (a Houston channel) highlighted a story about an amber alert for two black children that was called off because they were found safe today. Just saying. Probably on their website if you’d care to look.
I’m willing to bet we would have to talk statistics again, you know, cuz there are more white kids and all.[/quote]
I mean the ones that literally get wide spread attention in newspapers, magazines, tv shows and more.
We aren’t talking about whether an Amber Alert is created at all.
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Statistics it is.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
KHOU news (a Houston channel) highlighted a story about an amber alert for two black children that was called off because they were found safe today. Just saying. Probably on their website if you’d care to look.
I’m willing to bet we would have to talk statistics again, you know, cuz there are more white kids and all.[/quote]
I mean the ones that literally get wide spread attention in newspapers, magazines, tv shows and more.
We aren’t talking about whether an Amber Alert is created at all.
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True, the difference is one community or city knowing vs The whole country knowing.
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
KHOU news (a Houston channel) highlighted a story about an amber alert for two black children that was called off because they were found safe today. Just saying. Probably on their website if you’d care to look.
I’m willing to bet we would have to talk statistics again, you know, cuz there are more white kids and all.[/quote]
I mean the ones that literally get wide spread attention in newspapers, magazines, tv shows and more.
We aren’t talking about whether an Amber Alert is created at all.
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Statistics it is.[/quote]
LOL.
Please show me the black, latino or asian version of Jon Benet Ramsey or Elizabeth Smart.
Look, it is all about ratings…but those rating show a racial bias that you really can’t skip around without looking ridiculous.