Black Teen Shot 3

Suggested timeline

…if you combine the 911 taped call from Zimmerman and the google map, it appears to me that late in that call when the dispatcher knows that Zimmerman has gotten out of his vehicle to follow Trayvon (because Zimmerman is so concerned that “they always get away”) and Zimmerman tells the dispatcher where his vehicle will be (looks like Twin Trees right next to the cut-through where Trayvon died), but Zimmerman orders the cops to “just call me” when they arrive because Zimmerman knows he is going to be out stalking Trayvon.

In that 911 tape, follow Zimmerman’s instructions to the police for his location. He tells them to go left by the clubhouse and past the mailboxes there on the corner of Retreat View Circle and Twin Trees. Zimmerman parked next to that cut-through where Trayvon died.

And, at 3:37 in the tape after telling the dispatcher to have the cops just call him, Zimmerman says, ‘‘Oh crap…’’ then something about ‘‘I don’t know where this kid is…’’

Every single step of the way in this 911 call Zimmerman is obsessed with Trayvon ‘‘getting away.’’

Not sure of the time frame surrounding this, but Trayvon was talking to his girlfriend at 7:12pm and she was telling him to run and then she heard Zimmerman attack Trayvon and the phone went dead. At 7:15pm the police arrive and Trayvon is dead.

Supposedly Zimmerman calls 911 at 7:09pm. This is when Zimmerman sees Trayvon standing under an awning near the clubhouse because of the rain.

At 7:11 the call from Zimmerman is put through to a dispatcher. Zimmerman may have been creeping along in his vehicle following Trayvon from the clubhouse up that Twin Trees road. And [b]Trayvon was telling his girlfriend that some guy was following him at 7:12pm.

Near the end of Zimmerman’s 911 call… just around the 7:12 mark or so…[/b] when the dispatcher asks Zimmerman if he is following Trayvon and Zimmerman says YES you hear Zimmerman say, he ran. This is about the time that Trayvon’s girlfriend tells him to run.

And then at the end of the 911 call when Zimmerman tells the cops to ‘‘just call me’’ when they arrive because he knows he isn’t in his vehicle, you hear Zimmerman say something along the lines of oh crap… I don’t know where this kid is. This is the 7:13 mark.

At 7:15pm the cops arrive and Trayvon is face down on the ground dead.

A witness has said she heard 2 gunshots. One from a distance and then 45 seconds later the cries for help from Trayvon went silent with the 2nd gunshot.

Zimmerman got out of his vehicle around the 7:13 mark to stalk Trayvon saying, ‘‘oh crap, I don’t know where this kid is.’’

And somehow within that 2 minute time frame… Zimmerman did find Trayvon and fired off a warning shot and somehow caught up with Trayvon and then murdered him.

None of this timeline nor the obsessive concern by Zimmerman that Trayvon was ‘‘getting away’’ supports Zimmerman’s lie that it was Trayvon following him…

Dispatcher log - Zimmerman’s 911 call

Reading their Remarks (REM) from the bottom up.

19:11:12 1017 (code for Investigate) AREA FOR BM LATE TEENS LSW DARK HOODIE JEANS OR SWEATPANTS AROUND AREA // COMPL (complainant) CONCERNED REF RECENT S21S (Burglary)

19:11:59 SUBJ NOW RUNNING TOWARDS BACK ENTRANCE OF COMPLEX

19:13:12 COMPL WILL 1056 (Meet _ at __) AT MAILBOXES OF COMPLEX

19:13:27 S2711 ENR (this is Timothy Smith - see his ID above under Assigned Unit/Status) I am guessing that ENR = En Route

19:13:41 COMPL NOW REQ LEO (Law Enforc. Officer) 1045 (Call by Phone) BEFORE 1056 (Meet)

19:17:11 ARV - this is when Tim Smith Arrived

19:17:36 S2711 PEU
19:19:52 S1312 PEU This refers to Ricardo Ayala.

Source: http://www.dailykos.com/comment/1078513/45544523#c78

Scroll down for the dispatch log and florida police codes.

Zimm’s 911 call - Dispatch log released by Sanford police.

PDF version:

http://www.sanfordfl.gov/investigation/docs/911CallHistory.pdf

[quote]therajraj wrote:
So it looks like Zimmerman’s case just took another hit:

Trayvon shooting witness, 13, ‘was pressured by police to support Zimmerman’s story’, says his mother

[/quote]

[quote]The mother of a key witness to the killing of Trayvon Martin says her teenaged son was ‘pressured’ to tell police what they wanted to hear.
Cheryl Brown claims her son Austin, 13, ‘couldn’t see anything’ despite walking past the scene as Neighborhood Watch captain George Zimmerman shot unarmed black teenager Trayvon in Sanford, Florida.
Austin told police at the time of the shooting last month that he had seen someone fitting Zimmerman’s description lying on the ground, bolstering the gunman’s claim that he acted in self-defence

‘He kept telling them he couldn’t see anything because it was too dark,’ she said. ‘He said he couldn’t see the race or anything.’
Police asked the boy to identify the person he saw screaming on the ground by recalling the colour of his clothes.
‘They gave him a multiple choice question and gave him three colors,’ Ms Brown said. ‘He said, “I think it was red.”’

This would imply that the person on the ground was Zimmerman, who was wearing a red jacket while Trayvon wore a grey hoodie.
But Ms Brown now insists that Austin had no way to tell which of the two he saw, as she told the Daily News: ‘Knowing my son, I believe he felt pressured to give the colour.’
[/quote]

That makes more sense now because this is the kid who claimed he left the scene to go find his dog during the fight. It makes way more sense for him to think finding his dog was more important than getting help for the screaming person if he couldn’t even see what was going on.

So, we don’t know who was on the ground, who was yelling for help, and the police gave him a multiple choice quiz to get “the facts”.

BREAKING NEWS

Just saw on the TV not too long ago that a witness actually saw the whole fight! Not only did this man see the whole fight he said it was waaaay too dark to tell who was on top, who was besting who, and if indeed punches were thrown. All he could make out was one person getting up in the end after the struggle, and it appeared to be Zimmerman. He could tell it was “Some sort of struggle” but with the abscence of light, the details of the struggle were lost to him.

I’m sure this will be reported more and more so people can see/read his recalled events.

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]BE RELENTLESS wrote:

[quote]Testy1 wrote:

[quote]BE RELENTLESS wrote:
Regarding the significance of “who threw the first punch”, here is some food for thought:

[/quote]

Yeah but he’s just a judge, what does he know about the law? Better get HG’s take on it.[/quote]

Well, maybe HG just needed to hear it from good ole Jeb Bush first:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/former-fla-gov-jeb-bush-self-defense-law-he-signed-doesnt-cover-trayvon-martins-death/2012/03/23/gIQAz3UpWS_story.html

(seeing as Zimmerman hasn’t yet been formally charged, his protection is under stand your ground)

[/quote]
As mentioned and linked, self defense law encompasses more than stand your ground. Read the threads and keep context.[/quote]

In keeping context, we must remember that Floridaâ??s Stand your Ground Law, allows people to use force in self-defense…that is why it continues to remain a topic of interest in this case and is being publicly interpretted by Law Professors and Judges even today. These aren’t old articles that I’ve posted.

[quote]FrozenNinja wrote:
BREAKING NEWS

Just saw on the TV not too long ago that a witness actually saw the whole fight! Not only did this man see the whole fight he said it was waaaay too dark to tell who was on top, who was besting who, and if indeed punches were thrown. All he could make out was one person getting up in the end after the struggle, and it appeared to be Zimmerman. He could tell it was “Some sort of struggle” but with the abscence of light, the details of the struggle were lost to him.

I’m sure this will be reported more and more so people can see/read his recalled events.[/quote]

With no defensive wounds and no reliable witnesses, why would anyone believe that Trayvon even threw a punch at all?

Also that map doesn’t make it seem like Zimmerman was innocently walking back to his truck unless I am reading it wrong.

[quote]BE RELENTLESS wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]BE RELENTLESS wrote:

[quote]Testy1 wrote:

[quote]BE RELENTLESS wrote:
Regarding the significance of “who threw the first punch”, here is some food for thought:

[/quote]

Yeah but he’s just a judge, what does he know about the law? Better get HG’s take on it.[/quote]

Well, maybe HG just needed to hear it from good ole Jeb Bush first:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/former-fla-gov-jeb-bush-self-defense-law-he-signed-doesnt-cover-trayvon-martins-death/2012/03/23/gIQAz3UpWS_story.html

(seeing as Zimmerman hasn’t yet been formally charged, his protection is under stand your ground)

[/quote]
As mentioned and linked, self defense law encompasses more than stand your ground. Read the threads and keep context.[/quote]

In keeping context, we must remember that Floridaâ??s Stand your Ground Law, allows people to use force in self-defense…that is why it continues to remain a topic of interest in this case and is being publicly interpretted by Law Professors and Judges even today. These aren’t old articles that I’ve posted.[/quote]

You are correct, and the general consensus is that once Zimmerman decided to pursue Martin he forfeited his claim of self defense.

Stand your ground does not seem to apply in that not only did he not stand his ground, he pursued Martin after being told to stand down.

Some here seem to imply that this is a brightly lit day in which Zimmerman politely asks Martin of his intentions. No, this is a case of someone chasing a kid on a dark rainy night, possibly with a gun drawn. Sounds like Martin may be the one entitled to claim self defense.

[quote]Professor X wrote:

Also that map doesn’t make it seem like Zimmerman was innocently walking back to his truck unless I am reading it wrong.[/quote]

No, from the map it looks like Zimmerman cut him off and was between Martin and his domicile.

[quote]FrozenNinja wrote:
BREAKING NEWS

Just saw on the TV not too long ago that a witness actually saw the whole fight! Not only did this man see the whole fight he said it was waaaay too dark to tell who was on top, who was besting who, and if indeed punches were thrown. All he could make out was one person getting up in the end after the struggle, and it appeared to be Zimmerman. He could tell it was “Some sort of struggle” but with the abscence of light, the details of the struggle were lost to him.

I’m sure this will be reported more and more so people can see/read his recalled events.[/quote]

Expect Papazimmtwat to object that he finds strange that someone would remember a fight that happened over a month ago. Just like he said he found strange that Trayvon’s girlfriend would remember having a conversation with him, and that she’s lying even though records of that phone log exist, lol.

And yet, they brought the 13 years old boy as witness three weeks after the murder – witness who had been pressured by the police to tell lies by the way – and Papa Zimms never doubt that boy’s memory.

[quote]TigerTime wrote:

[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:
I’m only aggressive/insulting toward people who are aggressive /insulting toward me.
[/quote]

That’s demonstrably false. [/quote]

For stating that ALL black people are morons, criminals and inferior to any other race you deserved some flaming, KKKBoy. And in Thread 1, my replies to you were mostly tame. But, hey, here you are, still whining like a fragile lil’ girl.

This is Testosterone Nation. Grow a pair.

[quote]Testy1 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

Also that map doesn’t make it seem like Zimmerman was innocently walking back to his truck unless I am reading it wrong.[/quote]

No from the map it looks like Zimmerman cut him off and was between Martin and his domicile.[/quote]

And even if he didn’t take the path they out lined he was still on Martins ass. Off the main road, onto a path and behind a row of houses.

One view of the map looks like he cut the kid off, the other looks like he was following/chasing the kid. Both are creepy.

And even if Zimmerman asked the Martin “do you live here”. Why do people think Zimmerman would just drop it if Martin answered " I live up the block"?

Remember Zimm called the cops before asking the kid anything. The kid was either on drugs or a crook on drugs to Zimmerman (and he said that on the 911 tape).

One bad action turned this whole thing into a national event instead of a routine 911 response.

Martin still has no clue who this guy is.

If someone cuts me off from getting home after chasing me with a gun AT NIGHT IN THE RAIN, the one being chased should be able to claim self defense if a fight breaks out.

Zimmerman knows the law which is why he said he was walking back to his truck. How would ANYONE know he was walking back to his truck if he chased the kid behind some houses?

Why would anyone think anything but that someone is out to kill them if being chased at night?

But I do see people still trying to find any pictures they can to make this could look as "thuggish as possible to explain this away.

This was a tragedy of racial profiling that just so happened to occur in a city that had other issues with it before.

Zimmerman’s head isn’t bashed in. That was likely the kid screaming and no one saw any hits being thrown.

This kid’s image needs an apology considering the dirt digging that went on as if why he was suspended has anything to do with this case.

[quote]Professor X wrote:
If someone cuts me off from getting home after chasing me with a gun AT NIGHT IN THE RAIN, the one being chased should be able to claim self defense if a fight breaks out.

** AGREED

Zimmerman knows the law which is why he said he was walking back to his truck. How would ANYONE know he was walking back to his truck if he chased the kid behind some houses?

** AGREED

Why would anyone think anything but that someone is out to kill them if being chased at night?

** NOT AGREED. - What if Trayvon is/ was a thief. Or a drug dealer. Your conjecture opens this conclusion deduced by surmise or guesswork.

But I do see people still trying to find any pictures they can to make this could look as "thuggish as possible to explain this away.

** Maybe this is because of those statistics people keep on producing.

This was a tragedy of racial profiling that just so happened to occur in a city that had other issues with it before.

** AGREED. This may have also been a self defense claim. This is also about gun rights. This is also about media and the manipulation of the media. This is also about Zimmerman’s rights. Zimmerman hasn’t been arrested.

Zimmerman’s head isn’t bashed in. That was likely the kid screaming and no one saw any hits being thrown.

** DISAGREED. The police report (which is considered fact) says differently. There is also an EMT report on file. You are wrong here (even if you are right - legally you are wrong).

This kid’s image needs an apology considering the dirt digging that went on as if why he was suspended has anything to do with this case.

** I think the media should appologize to all parties. I think Trayvon did not have to die. I also think that black people should take issue with their own race for some of their own issues - crime - reasons why people feel the way they do about young black males (outside of racism) - and primarily black on black crime. I do think this is race related and wish everyone could learn from this young man’s lost.

[/quote]

My points are marked by **

Main point:

** I think the media should appologize to all parties. I think Trayvon did not have to die. I also think that black people should take issue with their own race for some of their own issues - crime - reasons why people feel the way they do about young black males (outside of racism) - and primarily black on black crime. I do think this is race related and wish everyone could learn from this young man’s lost.

Interview with Zimmerman’s brother

His brother seems like a nice kid. However, HE wasn’t there either, and of course he’s defending his brother.

[quote]Testy1 wrote:

[quote]BE RELENTLESS wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]BE RELENTLESS wrote:

[quote]Testy1 wrote:

[quote]BE RELENTLESS wrote:
Regarding the significance of “who threw the first punch”, here is some food for thought:

[/quote]

Yeah but he’s just a judge, what does he know about the law? Better get HG’s take on it.[/quote]

Well, maybe HG just needed to hear it from good ole Jeb Bush first:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/former-fla-gov-jeb-bush-self-defense-law-he-signed-doesnt-cover-trayvon-martins-death/2012/03/23/gIQAz3UpWS_story.html

(seeing as Zimmerman hasn’t yet been formally charged, his protection is under stand your ground)

[/quote]
As mentioned and linked, self defense law encompasses more than stand your ground. Read the threads and keep context.[/quote]

In keeping context, we must remember that FloridaÃ?¢??s Stand your Ground Law, allows people to use force in self-defense…that is why it continues to remain a topic of interest in this case and is being publicly interpretted by Law Professors and Judges even today. These aren’t old articles that I’ve posted.[/quote]

You are correct, and the general consensus is that once Zimmerman decided to pursue Martin he forfeited his claim of self defense.

Stand your ground does not seem to apply in that not only did he not stand his ground, he pursued Martin after being told to stand down.

Some here seem to imply that this is a brightly lit day in which Zimmerman politely asks Martin of his intentions. No, this is a case of someone chasing a kid on a dark rainy night, possibly with a gun drawn. Sounds like Martin may be the one entitled to claim self defense.[/quote]
No, the general consensus is Zimmerman abandoned his rights to Stand Your Ground, only one aspect of self defense.

[quote]Professor X wrote:
If someone cuts me off from getting home after chasing me with a gun AT NIGHT IN THE RAIN, the one being chased should be able to claim self defense if a fight breaks out.

Zimmerman knows the law which is why he said he was walking back to his truck. How would ANYONE know he was walking back to his truck if he chased the kid behind some houses?

Why would anyone think anything but that someone is out to kill them if being chased at night?

But I do see people still trying to find any pictures they can to make this could look as "thuggish as possible to explain this away.

This was a tragedy of racial profiling that just so happened to occur in a city that had other issues with it before.

Zimmerman’s head isn’t bashed in. That was likely the kid screaming and no one saw any hits being thrown.

This kid’s image needs an apology considering the dirt digging that went on as if why he was suspended has anything to do with this case.[/quote]
Cool story but he wasn’t chasing the kid, gun drawn. He was following the kid to ask a pretty typical neighborhood watch question until the kid ran and he went back to his truck and was attacked by a kid with a history of attacking people.

You don’t need thuggish pictures when you can read his Facebook comments detailing attacking a bus driver, selling drugs, school suspension et cetera. The pictures were simply highlighting media bias that was blatantly obvious at the beginning. Don’t be dense.

[quote]Professor X wrote:
If someone cuts me off from getting home after chasing me with a gun AT NIGHT IN THE RAIN, the one being chased should be able to claim self defense if a fight breaks out.

Zimmerman knows the law which is why he said he was walking back to his truck. How would ANYONE know he was walking back to his truck if he chased the kid behind some houses?

Why would anyone think anything but that someone is out to kill them if being chased at night?

But I do see people still trying to find any pictures they can to make this could look as "thuggish as possible to explain this away.

This was a tragedy of racial profiling that just so happened to occur in a city that had other issues with it before.

Zimmerman’s head isn’t bashed in. That was likely the kid screaming and no one saw any hits being thrown.

This kid’s image needs an apology considering the dirt digging that went on as if why he was suspended has anything to do with this case.[/quote]

And don’t forget Zimmstwat has a history of violent behaviour, including domestic violence. He’s the guy with a mug shot. He’s the guy called a lose canon by his neighbours.

The fact that people CHOOSE to ignore that and focus more on the maryj residue found on Tray, or the removable gold teeth he sported in a pic, to justify his murder is truly telling.

[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
His brother seems like a nice kid. However, HE wasn’t there either, and of course he’s defending his brother.[/quote]

Agreed.

His pops comes across as a nice decent man also. But the same with Martins family I can’t go on anything they have to say outside of the facts.

They may be as blind as we are about that night more so since they love the people involved.

It’s why I won’t comment on the girlfriends testimony until the phone messages are released.