[quote]StevenF wrote:
I think Al Sharpton needs to just shut the fuck up already. [/quote]
Because he’s vocal about civil rights, or because he’s black?
As an American, I would have expected you would support his right to speak. [/quote]
As an American, I would expect you to support the right of innocence until proven guilty.[/quote]
Oh the irony. As an American, I would have expected you to support being proven guilty in court of law…not being killed by a overzealous neighborhood watchman in public.[/quote]
As sad as the situation is, Trayvon would not be dead if he didn’t decide to attack Zimmerman. Zimmerman clearly didn’t do everything right, and played a part in creating the incident, but in the end, escalation to physical violence was Trayvon’s doing and is directly the reason Zimmerman thought he needed to use his firearm to defend himself.[/quote]
How do you know it is Trayvons? Doing zimmerman followed him and confronted him. Had zimmerman never followed him Travyon would never have felt threatened and needed to defend himself. Zimmerman shot him becuase he put himself in a situation he couldn’t handle and that he himself created.[/quote]
As uncomfortable as being followed is, I don’t believe it is grounds to assault someone.
[quote]StevenF wrote:
I think Al Sharpton needs to just shut the fuck up already. [/quote]
Because he’s vocal about civil rights, or because he’s black?
As an American, I would have expected you would support his right to speak. [/quote]
As an American, I would expect you to support the right of innocence until proven guilty.[/quote]
Oh the irony. As an American, I would have expected you to support being proven guilty in court of law…not being killed by a overzealous neighborhood watchman in public.[/quote]
As sad as the situation is, Trayvon would not be dead if he didn’t decide to attack Zimmerman. Zimmerman clearly didn’t do everything right, and played a part in creating the incident, but in the end, escalation to physical violence was Trayvon’s doing and is directly the reason Zimmerman thought he needed to use his firearm to defend himself.[/quote]
How do you know it is Trayvons? Doing zimmerman followed him and confronted him. Had zimmerman never followed him Travyon would never have felt threatened and needed to defend himself. Zimmerman shot him becuase he put himself in a situation he couldn’t handle and that he himself created.[/quote]
As uncomfortable as being followed is, I don’t believe it is grounds to assault someone.[/quote]
But following someone else is grounds to shoot them?
[quote]StevenF wrote:
I think Al Sharpton needs to just shut the fuck up already. [/quote]
Because he’s vocal about civil rights, or because he’s black?
As an American, I would have expected you would support his right to speak. [/quote]
As an American, I would expect you to support the right of innocence until proven guilty.[/quote]
Oh the irony. As an American, I would have expected you to support being proven guilty in court of law…not being killed by a overzealous neighborhood watchman in public.[/quote]
As sad as the situation is, Trayvon would not be dead if he didn’t decide to attack Zimmerman. Zimmerman clearly didn’t do everything right, and played a part in creating the incident, but in the end, escalation to physical violence was Trayvon’s doing and is directly the reason Zimmerman thought he needed to use his firearm to defend himself.[/quote]
How do you know it is Trayvons? Doing zimmerman followed him and confronted him. Had zimmerman never followed him Travyon would never have felt threatened and needed to defend himself. Zimmerman shot him becuase he put himself in a situation he couldn’t handle and that he himself created.[/quote]
As uncomfortable as being followed is, I don’t believe it is grounds to assault someone.[/quote]
But following someone else is grounds to shoot them?[/quote]
[quote]StevenF wrote:
I think Al Sharpton needs to just shut the fuck up already. [/quote]
Because he’s vocal about civil rights, or because he’s black?
As an American, I would have expected you would support his right to speak. [/quote]
As an American, I would expect you to support the right of innocence until proven guilty.[/quote]
Oh the irony. As an American, I would have expected you to support being proven guilty in court of law…not being killed by a overzealous neighborhood watchman in public.[/quote]
As sad as the situation is, Trayvon would not be dead if he didn’t decide to attack Zimmerman. Zimmerman clearly didn’t do everything right, and played a part in creating the incident, but in the end, escalation to physical violence was Trayvon’s doing and is directly the reason Zimmerman thought he needed to use his firearm to defend himself.[/quote]
That’s probably the reason he won’t be convicted.
Did anyone read how now Zimmerman is saying he was retreating to his truck and was attacked by Trayvon? According to CNN: Zimmerman told the dispatcher he was following the boy, but the dispatcher told him that wasn’t necessary. Moments later, several neighbors called 911 to report a commotion outside, and police arrived to find Martin dead of a gunshot wound.
“Zimmerman’s statement was that he had lost sight of Trayvon and was returning to his truck to meet the police officer when he says he was attacked by Trayvon,” the police said in the letter posted by Bonaparte.
And of course no one can refute that, since the other person involved is DEAD.
[quote]Thomasm122 wrote:
Reading over many different sources on the internet, it does appear the two fought. In light of that, I’d like to apologize to HG for jumping to conclusions, calling him a “pathetic piece of shit fucker”, due to my own misinterpretation of his statement, “given what we know, I would’ve shot Trayvon”. It was an unfortunate situation, and I’m sorry to say I was initially in some part a proponent of knee-jerk reactionary bullshit in response to what is just a sad story.
I learned my lessons. A)- I need to stop commenting on fucking GAL threads. B)- Never talk about situations I don’t fully understand. [/quote]
No big deal man. It’s an emotional topic.
[quote]StevenF wrote:
I think Al Sharpton needs to just shut the fuck up already. [/quote]
Because he’s vocal about civil rights, or because he’s black?
As an American, I would have expected you would support his right to speak. [/quote]
As an American, I would expect you to support the right of innocence until proven guilty.[/quote]
Oh the irony. As an American, I would have expected you to support being proven guilty in court of law…not being killed by a overzealous neighborhood watchman in public.[/quote]
As an American, I recognize the difference between self defense in the moment and a right to due process, as defined by American law.
[quote]StevenF wrote:
I think Al Sharpton needs to just shut the fuck up already. [/quote]
Because he’s vocal about civil rights, or because he’s black?
As an American, I would have expected you would support his right to speak. [/quote]
As an American, I would expect you to support the right of innocence until proven guilty.[/quote]
Oh the irony. As an American, I would have expected you to support being proven guilty in court of law…not being killed by a overzealous neighborhood watchman in public.[/quote]
As sad as the situation is, Trayvon would not be dead if he didn’t decide to attack Zimmerman. Zimmerman clearly didn’t do everything right, and played a part in creating the incident, but in the end, escalation to physical violence was Trayvon’s doing and is directly the reason Zimmerman thought he needed to use his firearm to defend himself.[/quote]
How do you know it is Trayvons? Doing zimmerman followed him and confronted him. Had zimmerman never followed him Travyon would never have felt threatened and needed to defend himself. Zimmerman shot him becuase he put himself in a situation he couldn’t handle and that he himself created.[/quote]
As uncomfortable as being followed is, I don’t believe it is grounds to assault someone.[/quote]
But following someone else is grounds to shoot them?[/quote]
Wut?
[quote]StevenF wrote:
I think Al Sharpton needs to just shut the fuck up already. [/quote]
Because he’s vocal about civil rights, or because he’s black?
As an American, I would have expected you would support his right to speak. [/quote]
As an American, I would expect you to support the right of innocence until proven guilty.[/quote]
Oh the irony. As an American, I would have expected you to support being proven guilty in court of law…not being killed by a overzealous neighborhood watchman in public.[/quote]
As sad as the situation is, Trayvon would not be dead if he didn’t decide to attack Zimmerman. Zimmerman clearly didn’t do everything right, and played a part in creating the incident, but in the end, escalation to physical violence was Trayvon’s doing and is directly the reason Zimmerman thought he needed to use his firearm to defend himself.[/quote]
That’s probably the reason he won’t be convicted.[/quote]
Of murder. I still would not be surprised to see(an albeit relatively minor) charge stick to him. Manslaughter could still apply as well, Zimmerman used deadly force against an unarmed minor, even if he was being assaulted that could land him a decent charge.
[quote]Grneyes wrote:
Did anyone read how now Zimmerman is saying he was retreating to his truck and was attacked by Trayvon? According to CNN: Zimmerman told the dispatcher he was following the boy, but the dispatcher told him that wasn’t necessary. Moments later, several neighbors called 911 to report a commotion outside, and police arrived to find Martin dead of a gunshot wound.
“Zimmerman’s statement was that he had lost sight of Trayvon and was returning to his truck to meet the police officer when he says he was attacked by Trayvon,” the police said in the letter posted by Bonaparte.
And of course no one can refute that, since the other person involved is DEAD.[/quote]
That is not consistent with what Trayvon’s overheard on the phone. She said there was an exchange of words. If that is correct, and the phone records indicated Trayvon and friend were on the phone at that time, Zimmerman could very much be lying.
[quote]StevenF wrote:
I think Al Sharpton needs to just shut the fuck up already. [/quote]
Because he’s vocal about civil rights, or because he’s black?
As an American, I would have expected you would support his right to speak. [/quote]
As an American, I would expect you to support the right of innocence until proven guilty.[/quote]
Oh the irony. As an American, I would have expected you to support being proven guilty in court of law…not being killed by a overzealous neighborhood watchman in public.[/quote]
As sad as the situation is, Trayvon would not be dead if he didn’t decide to attack Zimmerman. Zimmerman clearly didn’t do everything right, and played a part in creating the incident, but in the end, escalation to physical violence was Trayvon’s doing and is directly the reason Zimmerman thought he needed to use his firearm to defend himself.[/quote]
How do you know it is Trayvons? Doing zimmerman followed him and confronted him. Had zimmerman never followed him Travyon would never have felt threatened and needed to defend himself. Zimmerman shot him becuase he put himself in a situation he couldn’t handle and that he himself created.[/quote]
As uncomfortable as being followed is, I don’t believe it is grounds to assault someone.[/quote]
[quote]Grneyes wrote:
Did anyone read how now Zimmerman is saying he was retreating to his truck and was attacked by Trayvon? According to CNN: Zimmerman told the dispatcher he was following the boy, but the dispatcher told him that wasn’t necessary. Moments later, several neighbors called 911 to report a commotion outside, and police arrived to find Martin dead of a gunshot wound.
“Zimmerman’s statement was that he had lost sight of Trayvon and was returning to his truck to meet the police officer when he says he was attacked by Trayvon,” the police said in the letter posted by Bonaparte.
And of course no one can refute that, since the other person involved is DEAD.[/quote]
That is not consistent with what Trayvon’s overheard on the phone. She said there was an exchange of words. If that is correct, and the phone records indicated Trayvon and friend were on the phone at that time, Zimmerman could very much be lying.[/quote]
And why didn’t he say he was retreating since the beginning? Only NOW is he saying he was going back to his truck which makes Trayvon the aggressor.
[quote]Grneyes wrote:
Did anyone read how now Zimmerman is saying he was retreating to his truck and was attacked by Trayvon? According to CNN: Zimmerman told the dispatcher he was following the boy, but the dispatcher told him that wasn’t necessary. Moments later, several neighbors called 911 to report a commotion outside, and police arrived to find Martin dead of a gunshot wound.
“Zimmerman’s statement was that he had lost sight of Trayvon and was returning to his truck to meet the police officer when he says he was attacked by Trayvon,” the police said in the letter posted by Bonaparte.
And of course no one can refute that, since the other person involved is DEAD.[/quote]
That is not consistent with what Trayvon’s overheard on the phone. She said there was an exchange of words. If that is correct, and the phone records indicated Trayvon and friend were on the phone at that time, Zimmerman could very much be lying.[/quote]
And why didn’t he say he was retreating since the beginning? Only NOW is he saying he was going back to his truck which makes Trayvon the aggressor.[/quote]
…and how is his word being taken as truth at all when he called the kid a drug user but his blood was clean?
[quote]Grneyes wrote:
Did anyone read how now Zimmerman is saying he was retreating to his truck and was attacked by Trayvon? According to CNN: Zimmerman told the dispatcher he was following the boy, but the dispatcher told him that wasn’t necessary. Moments later, several neighbors called 911 to report a commotion outside, and police arrived to find Martin dead of a gunshot wound.
“Zimmerman’s statement was that he had lost sight of Trayvon and was returning to his truck to meet the police officer when he says he was attacked by Trayvon,” the police said in the letter posted by Bonaparte.
And of course no one can refute that, since the other person involved is DEAD.[/quote]
That is not consistent with what Trayvon’s overheard on the phone. She said there was an exchange of words. If that is correct, and the phone records indicated Trayvon and friend were on the phone at that time, Zimmerman could very much be lying.[/quote]
And why didn’t he say he was retreating since the beginning? Only NOW is he saying he was going back to his truck which makes Trayvon the aggressor.[/quote]
Trayvons gf isn’t exactly an impartial source.
More than likely, Zimmerman’s legal recommendations were to keep a lid on public comments. Pretty typical, non-sinister stuff.
[quote]Grneyes wrote:
Did anyone read how now Zimmerman is saying he was retreating to his truck and was attacked by Trayvon? According to CNN: Zimmerman told the dispatcher he was following the boy, but the dispatcher told him that wasn’t necessary. Moments later, several neighbors called 911 to report a commotion outside, and police arrived to find Martin dead of a gunshot wound.
“Zimmerman’s statement was that he had lost sight of Trayvon and was returning to his truck to meet the police officer when he says he was attacked by Trayvon,” the police said in the letter posted by Bonaparte.
And of course no one can refute that, since the other person involved is DEAD.[/quote]
That is not consistent with what Trayvon’s overheard on the phone. She said there was an exchange of words. If that is correct, and the phone records indicated Trayvon and friend were on the phone at that time, Zimmerman could very much be lying.[/quote]
And why didn’t he say he was retreating since the beginning? Only NOW is he saying he was going back to his truck which makes Trayvon the aggressor.[/quote]
…and how is his word being taken as truth at all when he called the kid a drug user but his blood was clean?[/quote]
I think this guy just assumes all black people are druggies? Or all people wearing saggy pants are druggies? He makes a big assumption about “punks”. This kid, while wearing saggy pants, was obviously not a punk. His grades were good. And as ppl have stated already, schools are cracking down hard and over-disciplining for stupid infractions.
[quote]Grneyes wrote:
Did anyone read how now Zimmerman is saying he was retreating to his truck and was attacked by Trayvon? According to CNN: Zimmerman told the dispatcher he was following the boy, but the dispatcher told him that wasn’t necessary. Moments later, several neighbors called 911 to report a commotion outside, and police arrived to find Martin dead of a gunshot wound.
“Zimmerman’s statement was that he had lost sight of Trayvon and was returning to his truck to meet the police officer when he says he was attacked by Trayvon,” the police said in the letter posted by Bonaparte.
And of course no one can refute that, since the other person involved is DEAD.[/quote]
That is not consistent with what Trayvon’s overheard on the phone. She said there was an exchange of words. If that is correct, and the phone records indicated Trayvon and friend were on the phone at that time, Zimmerman could very much be lying.[/quote]
And why didn’t he say he was retreating since the beginning? Only NOW is he saying he was going back to his truck which makes Trayvon the aggressor.[/quote]
…and how is his word being taken as truth at all when he called the kid a drug user but his blood was clean?[/quote]
lol, oh christ…so now a person’s inability to telekinetically drug test somebody means everything he says is a lie?
He told the police that same night he was attacked on his way back to the truck. I’m not saying he’s telling the truth, but the pair of you are trying to find cracks where there aren’t any.
If anybody’s story is sketchy it’s the girlfriend who took 3 weeks to come forward, and then only answered rehearsed questions asked by the family’s own attorney.
This is what I told you guys would happen. Zimmerman is going to say anything to get himself out of trouble. Since Tray is dead no one can refute his story. Now if the phone evidence holds up that might be key…but Zimmerman can even say he stood by his car and Tray bumm rushed him from the get go and get away with lying about it.
[quote]StevenF wrote:
I think Al Sharpton needs to just shut the fuck up already. [/quote]
Because he’s vocal about civil rights, or because he’s black?
As an American, I would have expected you would support his right to speak. [/quote]
As an American, I would expect you to support the right of innocence until proven guilty.[/quote]
Oh the irony. As an American, I would have expected you to support being proven guilty in court of law…not being killed by a overzealous neighborhood watchman in public.[/quote]
As sad as the situation is, Trayvon would not be dead if he didn’t decide to attack Zimmerman. Zimmerman clearly didn’t do everything right, and played a part in creating the incident, but in the end, escalation to physical violence was Trayvon’s doing and is directly the reason Zimmerman thought he needed to use his firearm to defend himself.[/quote]
Zimmeran’s neglect…(and highly possible bias,racism or whatever) is what escalated the situation. There comes a point when Trayvon himself had the right to defend himself against what could HIGHLY be perceived as a crazy ass stranger harassing him…and trying to (illegally) detain…and question him. At what point did Zimmerman have the authority for his actions?? He had a right…up to a point…but once he crossed the line,he became responsible for all that transpired after that.
The thing is that Zimmerman is not being held responsible in any form for his screw ups in the incident. I think that’s the major outrage. Damn shame…what a completely fucked up ordeal.
[quote]Grneyes wrote:
Did anyone read how now Zimmerman is saying he was retreating to his truck and was attacked by Trayvon? According to CNN: Zimmerman told the dispatcher he was following the boy, but the dispatcher told him that wasn’t necessary. Moments later, several neighbors called 911 to report a commotion outside, and police arrived to find Martin dead of a gunshot wound.
“Zimmerman’s statement was that he had lost sight of Trayvon and was returning to his truck to meet the police officer when he says he was attacked by Trayvon,” the police said in the letter posted by Bonaparte.
And of course no one can refute that, since the other person involved is DEAD.[/quote]
That is not consistent with what Trayvon’s overheard on the phone. She said there was an exchange of words. If that is correct, and the phone records indicated Trayvon and friend were on the phone at that time, Zimmerman could very much be lying.[/quote]
And why didn’t he say he was retreating since the beginning? Only NOW is he saying he was going back to his truck which makes Trayvon the aggressor.[/quote]
Is this a new statement from him, or is this just the original statement he made now getting out? Because there is a big difference if he is changing his story or adding in extra details that weren’t there originally.
Also, unless Martin’s friend/girlfriend was recording the call, I’m not sure how that can prove/disprove anything in court.
Anyone who sees this as anything other than one delusional man who had a false sense of authority making a fatal decision to confront a teen WHILE armed is way over thinking.
Facts:
-Zimmerman had black friends. Other black neighbors are on record saying they actually liked Zimmerman and vice-versa because Zimmerman had thwarted previous thieves and vandals in their gated community.
-Trayvon was innocent. If he did “cause” a fight, it was out of self-defense because Zimmerman clearly was in the wrong pursuing the teen when he did not have any AUTHORITY in the first place.
So no, this isn’t about racism AT ALL. Racial profiling because of previous, NUMEROUS incidents where black teenagers have been caught stealing from the neighborhood, a definite yes. If you were a neighborhood watchman, you would be suspicious too, but Zimmerman carrying a loaded gun was the ONLY fatal mistake in this case. Without it, no one would have had to pay for their lives.
And to that idiot who tweeted that the fact that Trayvon was wearing a hoodie was THE factor to blame is a fucking short-sighted moron.
Zimmerman had a severe case of Hero Syndrome and was ego/power tripping HARD. He took his “position” as a watchman WAAAAAAY too far, and the police officers in his neighborhood were largely responsible for this. (See, Police Chief’s son getting away with beating a black kid, etc…)