[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
DN, you realize your comics are like 5 days behind story revelations right?[/quote]
So what? I’m not supposed to post those because you and other motherfuckers think they are now irrelevant to the case? I’ll post what I like and if you son of the bitches don’t like it, you have the choice to ignore it.
[quote]njrusmc wrote:
I normally don’t post here, but those cartoons are so far off topic that I’m having a hard time taking them seriously. No one … not Zimmerman, not his lawyer, not Jeb Bush, not the police, are claiming that his actions were even remotely protected under the Stand Your Ground laws. I’m not saying Zimmerman is at fault or not, and I’m not downplaying the shittiness of Martin’s death … and I’m not even asserting that this was or was not racially driven. But one thing is known FOR SURE: Stand Your Ground does not apply.[/quote]
Whether or not the Stand your ground law applies in this case is STILL being debated in many blogs, boards and online news outlets. So those cartoons are still relevant.
Well some one woke up on the wrong side of the bed.
Just as long as you realize they portray a bullshit message.
Zimmercunt appointed himself as watchman and racially profiled Trayvon. Isn’t the job of the law enforcement to racially profiling? Zimmercunt wasn’t a cop. Since when is it suspicious to wear a hoodie when it’s raining? Zimmerman muttered the words ‘‘coon’’ in the 911 tape. Zimmercunt was told not to follow Trayvon and he did, he had a gun and thought he could take Trayvon. Zimmercunt followed, pursued and chased and cornered Trayvon like an animal. Zimmercunt is a racist pig.
Zimmercunt killed an innocent kid with iced tea and skittles in his pocket. A 240 pounds man who couldn’t fight a slimmer boy than him resorted to using his gun as his ass was allegedly handed over to him. Oh by the way, he allegedly got beaten so bad that he sustained a broken nose. Shit! And that fucktard didn’t go to the ER? Where are the records to prove the injuries? Zimmercunt and the police used the stand your ground law to cover his ass. .
Oh, Trayvon was tested for drugs and alcohol. Zimmercunt wasn’t. Damn. Thought both parties should usually be tested in such situation. The police held Trayvon’s phone and didn’t even bother contacting his family. He was a Jonh Doe in the mortuary. His father had to track him down to find his body. Meanwhile, that pig of Zimmercunt was safely back home resting his feet up, remorseless and proud of himself.
The smearing machine is now painting Zimmercunt as the victim. Trayvon is now portrayed as a thug, a drug dealer. Lol! Prove it, motherfuckers. Zimmercunt is the one with the violent past, cop battery, domestic violence etc. Zimmercunt is the one with the spoilt record. Zimmercunt was the one who hunted Trayvon. Zimmercunt was the one who pulled the trigger. Trayvon being suspended from school, or acting thuggish in a picture with two thumbs up(proved to be a fake by the way --that kid looks nothing like Martin, but hey, to some whites people, all blacks look alike!) doesn’t mean he deserved to be killed.
Trayvon wasn’t doing anything illegal on that night. He had iced tea and skittles in his pocket. Not a knife, no ganja, nothing that proved him to be criminal. But damn, a black kid with no criminal tendency is not what some people like to hear. They have to go dig deep to find something to make him look worse. It doesn’t matter that the boy was the one DEFENDING himself against a stranger. He doesn’t matter that he lost his life to a loose canon. The kid was suspended from school. The kid was a drug dealer. The kid was black. He deserved to be killed. Zimmercunt is the fucking HERO.
[quote]Grneyes wrote:
Who gives a shit if he has black friends or not? He can still be racist. [/quote]
Hell, racists pick and choose the black people they like, love, screw, hire, etc. It means nothing. They can be your best friend but still piss on every other black person they see. People, especially some blacks, are so easily fooled and lulled into a false sense of security. Lol. Damn, even slave masters had their favourite – easy to prove, there are many people walking around today who are direct descendants of that favoritism.
So, Zimmercunt mentoring one black boy or having ten blacks friends coming to his rescue now don’t mean shit. You don’t utter the word ‘‘coon’’ under your breath if you’re not racist. For someone who abhors racial slurs and prejudices, even contemplating saying these words, even in a fit of anger, should make your stomach churn.
I don’t really know what to think. GZ and his brother were in Tae Kwon Do with me and my sister, but that was a long time ago. We were taught self defense techniques and conflict avoidance. His family is devout Catholic. GZ was a tiny kid. My memories of him are his dressing for Catholic school despite going to public school (navy slacks, button up, penny loafers every day), gold framed glasses that were way too big for his tiny face.
GZ’s mother was incredibly kind and the boys were tremendously proud and protective of their younger sister. Their Peruvian grandmother lived with them and spoke no English, but was wonderfully kind. She would greet all of us with hugs and kisses and sing while she cooked food for us.
I hate that this has happened. I don’t know the facts. I did just hear the 911 call with the screams for help and that’s George. There’s a tone to his and his brother’s voices when they raise their voices that is distinct. I can only imagine the heartache his mother feels for Martin’s family. GZ was raised right. I don’t know if he made a huge mistake or if he is completely justified in defending himself. I’ll wait for the facts and the evidence to come out.
[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:
You don’t utter the word ‘‘coon’’ under your breath if you’re not racist.[/quote]
lol
You really aren’t even pretending to stick to facts, anymore.
Facts and evidence are the key indeed.
Smear campaigns on either side are irrelevant bullshit, unfortunately the Martin family lawyer made them a necessary evil by inciting a trial by media.
What happened in either Zimmerman’s or Martin’s past is irrelevant to the situation at hand. Either murder or self defense took place and the facts and evidence will tell the tale. As of now we…don’t…know.
But, if you are going to jump a smear campaign, character assassination train don’t wad your panties when you see the same in return.
Idiot picks a fight, doesn’t relent, then starts to get his fat ass beaten by a skinny 17 year old then shoots him dead and it is justified? Absurd on all levels, I hope this guy spends the rest of his life in jail.
[quote]americaninsweden wrote:
Idiot picks a fight, doesn’t relent, then starts to get his fat ass beaten by a skinny 17 year old then shoots him dead and it is justified? Absurd on all levels, I hope this guy spends the rest of his life in jail.[/quote]
Unfortunately, evidence and testimony show this scenario to be incorrect.
[quote]americaninsweden wrote:
Idiot picks a fight, doesn’t relent, then starts to get his fat ass beaten by a skinny 17 year old then shoots him dead and it is justified? Absurd on all levels, I hope this guy spends the rest of his life in jail.[/quote]
Not sure that will happen.
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
[quote]americaninsweden wrote:
Idiot picks a fight, doesn’t relent, then starts to get his fat ass beaten by a skinny 17 year old then shoots him dead and it is justified? Absurd on all levels, I hope this guy spends the rest of his life in jail.[/quote]
Unfortunately, evidence and testimony show this scenario to be incorrect.[/quote]
What evidence? 0 testimony says that Trayvon was the aggressor they (witness/witnesses) just say that Zimmerman was the one losing the fight. Then the one witness happens to go into his house to call 911 and then looks out his window and see Trayvon dead. Who doesn’t have a cell phone? If the guy was really getting beaten to death don’t you think said witness wouldn’t have aided his neighbor? BS all around.
[quote]Schwarzfahrer wrote:
Some of DarkNinja’s cartoons were hilarious …[/quote]
Those cartoons are hilarious indeed. Poignant, yet hilarious.
The one with the Zimmercunt caricature standing over the little boy and his candy is the one that touched me the most. It did make me laugh hard, especially wit the line ‘‘I mean, did you see the size of that sucker?’’ lol! But it is sad. There’s so much meaning in that cartoon. A dead, innocent child (yes, innocent, doing anything that was deemed illegal – oh perhaps being black and wearing a hoodie was his doom) with his candy and, his loose cannon murderer standing over him, claiming self defence.
The mockingbird one is a quite poignant too. Trayvon was the innocent party there.
“They always get away” then he follows him? Give me a break this guy instigates the fight and deserves to be put away. The burden of proof in Flordia law is to PROVE that he was acting in self defense, chasing someone down and confronting him, regardless of what happens negates self defense. There are also is no sense of “imminent danger” until he starts following a kid running away from him! There is also “proportional force” minor using fists (100 pounds less than Zimmerman) vs adult with a gun. Get off your conservative gun horse and look at the situation realistically.
[quote]americaninsweden wrote:
What evidence? 0 testimony says that Trayvon was the aggressor they (witness/witnesses) just say that Zimmerman was the one losing the fight. Then the one witness happens to go into his house to call 911 and then looks out his window and see Trayvon dead. Who doesn’t have a cell phone? If the guy was really getting beaten to death don’t you think said witness wouldn’t have aided his neighbor? BS all around.[/quote]
Agreed.
However, while the eyewitness reports don’t indicate who started the physical fight (something I think four and I discussed in the last thread), the fact that the people who saw the fight all remember Martin being on top of Zimmerman does bolster the claim of self defense. As mentioned earlier, the problem with the prosecution would likely be discounting the testimony of the only guy who is alive to talk about what initiated the fight.
As for helping ones neighbor – the smartest first move you can make it to call the cops. What if Martin was actually stabbing Zimmerman and then tagged you as you rushed in to be a hero? Who is gonna come to your aid if you didn’t bother to let anyone know what was going on?
[quote]americaninsweden wrote:
What evidence? 0 testimony says that Trayvon was the aggressor they (witness/witnesses) just say that Zimmerman was the one losing the fight. Then the one witness happens to go into his house to call 911 and then looks out his window and see Trayvon dead. Who doesn’t have a cell phone? If the guy was really getting beaten to death don’t you think said witness wouldn’t have aided his neighbor? BS all around.[/quote]
Nah, it doesn’t matter that it was Zimmerman who chased after Travon and cornered him. What matters is that Zimmercunt was the one at the bottom getting ass raped by Trayvon. That is what makes Zimmercunt the victim here. Trayvor Martin was the aggressor.
I mean, seriously, you’re walking down the road at night, minding your own business and you notice a stranger following you, then he chases you and corners you. What the fuck are you supposed to do? The cunt wasn’t even wearing an uniform. Fuck, Zimmercunt apparently did some martial arts and he couldn’t even beat a kid smaller than him? Fucking pussy. A gun is such an easy way out of a good ass beating.
Trayvon had every right to defend himself against some big, strange white man who chased him like an animal and stopped him to harrass him. Some big strange man with no authority. According to his conversation with his girlfriend, Trayvon was scared and just wanted to get away safely. So all Zimmercunt had to do was to pick his sorry big fat ass up and go away IF Trayvon was beating him up. But, he got mad he shot him.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Where was Zimmerman’s gun? If it was visible, are people saying if I see a guy running after me with a GUN and I fight back, he is justified in shooting me???[/quote]
Apparently so.
LOL!! If I see a man with a gun chasing me and I defend myself, how the hell can the man with the gun claim self defense?
The most likely scenario is that the gun was presented long before it was shot…which would be WHY Trayvon felt threatened and attacked. I have a hard time believing no one knew a gun was there until he pulled it out to shoot. It sounds like Zimmerman couldn’t even handle himself very well in terms of self defense…so why was he chasing someone down?
And back to page one of fairy tail, knee jerk conjecture.
Just to clarify some law here:
We have multiple witnesses (including some that were previously saying the opposite to the media) saying the Hispanic guy was knocked on his back getting pounded by the 6’2" Black guy. The Hispanic guy (not the Black guy as the girlfriend initially said) was screaming for help, had a broken nose, and was generally in a world of hurt.
At that time (on his back, losing a fight), legally, the Hispanic was well-within his rights (in any state, under any law) to shoot the Black guy UNLESS the Hispanic guy illegally attacked the Black guy first. (That’s called “provocation.”)
For example, you cannot go provoke a bar fight, start to lose, and then end it with a gun and claim self-defense.
As a result, the Hispanic guy’s self-defense claim is going to turn on whether he assaulted (not followed, not profiled, not anything but assaulted or perhaps (and rarely) used “fighting words”) the Black guy FIRST.
As things stand, the only evidence is we have the Hispanic guy confronted the Black guy and the Black guy jumped him in response.
A neighborhood watch guy confronting people in the neighborhood, even if not justified, is not “provocation” under the law. Even if you are being racially profiled, the guy is Barney Fife, this is not “provocation.”
“Provocation” is going up and popping someone in the nose or the like.
“Provocation” IS NOT “hey do you live here? What’s your name? What’s your address? Let me see your driver’s license.”
IF (and I mean “if”) the Hispanic guy’s version of the initial contact pans out, it’s a legitimate self-defense claim under the law.