[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Here it is:
Whitey won’t pay for my gas but ‘my main man’ will help me with my rent and gas.
And Prof, …Lixy??? You’re siding with a guy who advocating killing Americans in Iraq? What would your former comrades-in-arms have to say about that?[/quote]
Cool!
The exact same video I posted just with a shitty audio quality so it is easier to misinterpret it.
I´m impressed.
“It was the most memorable time of my life, it was a touching moment, because I never thought this day would happen. I won’t have to worry about putting gas in my car, and I won’t have to worry about paying my mortgage. You know, if i help him, he’s gonna help me.”
How is that any different from Ronald Reagan’s question whether people were better off than they were four years ago?
Or Bush I´s promise not to raise taxes?
[quote]300andabove wrote:
ron33 wrote:
HH, By the same token ,I heard alot of white people make some dumbass statements about what Obama would do for black people if he won and that if he won or lost the black people would riot.And a lot of these people were college educated school teachers and faculty members,not just racist billhilly’s.I could’nt believe there was such a run to buy guns and ammo also ,just like when the Y2k deal was supposed to cause caos.Them there cuntservatives sure are nervous critters,aint they.
LOL, over here in England we are awaiting the without doubt shooting of Obama… THAT riot should be one hell of a firework show !
Kudo’s to ye for being so open minded with the electing of him, but as Dave Chapelle said “who the hell wants to be the first, might as well paint a sign on my back”
Thats probably moreso why there was such a rush 
HH’s old Klanners are stirring in their grave so to speak.
[/quote]Yes Sir,HH and his boys never give our Great Britian & European Brothern any credit for Knowin what’s goin on over on this side of the pond.But I think you Folk’s have it figured out better than most u.s. citizen’s do.
[quote]orion wrote:
“It was the most memorable time of my life, it was a touching moment, because I never thought this day would happen. I won’t have to worry about putting gas in my car, and I won’t have to worry about paying my mortgage. You know, if i help him, he’s gonna help me.”
How is that any different from Ronald Reagan’s question whether people were better off than they were four years ago?
Or Bush I´s promise not to raise taxes?
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First off, apologies for the ‘fuhrer-boy’ crap.
The woman is connecting the election of a black man with her being helped to pay her bills. What else would you call that?
Different from Reagan? Reagan cut taxes and told people to pull themselves up by their bootstraps. He didn’t propose government helping anyone except by getting government out of the way.
Man, if we had had him and a Republican majority, with Newt in charge of Congress! There might not even be a Dem party today and we’d be close to LF Capitalism. Rotten luck to get Bush in there from 2001-2006.
If it weren’t the case, Wanda Sikes would have no career.
[quote]Chewie wrote:
If it weren’t the case, Wanda Sikes would have no career. [/quote]
Shes on my list of people to kill if I ever go crazy.
Chances are pretty likely actually, Bipolar disorders run in my family.
just saying.
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
orion wrote:
“It was the most memorable time of my life, it was a touching moment, because I never thought this day would happen. I won’t have to worry about putting gas in my car, and I won’t have to worry about paying my mortgage. You know, if i help him, he’s gonna help me.”
How is that any different from Ronald Reagan’s question whether people were better off than they were four years ago?
Or Bush I´s promise not to raise taxes?
First off, apologies for the ‘fuhrer-boy’ crap.
The woman is connecting the election of a black man with her being helped to pay her bills. What else would you call that?
Different from Reagan? Reagan cut taxes and told people to pull themselves up by their bootstraps. He didn’t propose government helping anyone except by getting government out of the way.
Man, if we had had him and a Republican majority, with Newt in charge of Congress! There might not even be a Dem party today and we’d be close to LF Capitalism. Rotten luck to get Bush in there from 2001-2006.
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I don’t see why people have jumped over this completely innocuous clip. She voted for the person she thought would be better for gas prices and who would do more to enable her to pay off her mortgage. How is this clip at ALL a big deal except insofar as you already hate this woman because she’s an Obama supporter?
Despite what a lot of you idiots think, the government doesn’t just “get out of the way” of the economy (or of individuals for that matter) and everything magically flourishes. Free markets are constructed, they don’t spring out of thin air.
I find it deeply ironic that conservatives complain about black people’s sensitivity to racism and yet they go looking for every single possible shred of racial motivation in black people’s actions or speech. Whose perception of racism is off again?
[quote]valiance. wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
orion wrote:
“It was the most memorable time of my life, it was a touching moment, because I never thought this day would happen. I won’t have to worry about putting gas in my car, and I won’t have to worry about paying my mortgage. You know, if i help him, he’s gonna help me.”
How is that any different from Ronald Reagan’s question whether people were better off than they were four years ago?
Or Bush I´s promise not to raise taxes?
First off, apologies for the ‘fuhrer-boy’ crap.
The woman is connecting the election of a black man with her being helped to pay her bills. What else would you call that?
Different from Reagan? Reagan cut taxes and told people to pull themselves up by their bootstraps. He didn’t propose government helping anyone except by getting government out of the way.
Man, if we had had him and a Republican majority, with Newt in charge of Congress! There might not even be a Dem party today and we’d be close to LF Capitalism. Rotten luck to get Bush in there from 2001-2006.
I don’t see why people have jumped over this completely innocuous clip. She voted for the person she thought would be better for gas prices and who would do more to enable her to pay off her mortgage. How is this clip at ALL a big deal except insofar as you already hate this woman because she’s an Obama supporter?
Despite what a lot of you idiots think, the government doesn’t just “get out of the way” of the economy (or of individuals for that matter) and everything magically flourishes. Free markets are constructed, they don’t spring out of thin air.
I find it deeply ironic that conservatives complain about black people’s sensitivity to racism and yet they go looking for every single possible shred of racial motivation in black people’s actions or speech. Whose perception of racism is off again?[/quote]
Yours.
Criticizing black culture is not the same as racism. Black culture is a failed culture — 80% of children born to single mothers, 50% of black children never graduating from high school, the fervent desire to blame others for their troubles, rampant anti-intellectualism (such as beating classmates who actually try and learn), aggrandizing ghetto attitudes and popular ghetto culture.
Guys like you have let the hard Left sell you ‘a bill of goods’. If you’re dumb enough to believe them, mores the pity. You’ll vote for the Kenyan.
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Yours.
Criticizing black culture is not the same as racism. Black culture is a failed culture — 80% of children born to single mothers, 50% of black children never graduating from high school, the fervent desire to blame others for their troubles, rampant anti-intellectualism (such as beating classmates who actually try and learn), aggrandizing ghetto attitudes and popular ghetto culture.
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This is the very definition of racism. Instead of looking at socio-economic factors, you have simply related it to the race of the individuals and then claimed that they have “failed”.
I’m glad you finally came out. It must have been dark in that closet.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
Yours.
Criticizing black culture is not the same as racism. Black culture is a failed culture — 80% of children born to single mothers, 50% of black children never graduating from high school, the fervent desire to blame others for their troubles, rampant anti-intellectualism (such as beating classmates who actually try and learn), aggrandizing ghetto attitudes and popular ghetto culture.
This is the very definition of racism. Instead of looking at socio-economic factors, you have simply related it to the race of the individuals and then claimed that they have “failed”.
I’m glad you finally came out. It must have been dark in that closet.[/quote]
He makes a habit out of redefining words to suit his perverse world view.He has so many closets to come out of, he should change his nick to ‘kitchen’ in his next T-Nation incarnation.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
Yours.
Criticizing black culture is not the same as racism. Black culture is a failed culture — 80% of children born to single mothers, 50% of black children never graduating from high school, the fervent desire to blame others for their troubles, rampant anti-intellectualism (such as beating classmates who actually try and learn), aggrandizing ghetto attitudes and popular ghetto culture.
This is the very definition of racism. Instead of looking at socio-economic factors, you have simply related it to the race of the individuals and then claimed that they have “failed”.
I’m glad you finally came out. It must have been dark in that closet.[/quote]
Statements like these are the exact reason why he gets called a racist. He pulls numbers out of his ass without looking at the study where they came from or any other factors involved and makes blanket statements about an entire race of people. He constantly brings these numbers up in any topic involving race. Additionally, the numbers that he is pulling out of his ass aren’t even accurate. He inflated those upward as well. All in all, a racist troll and a sad human being.
[quote]Neuromancer wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
Yours.
Criticizing black culture is not the same as racism. Black culture is a failed culture — 80% of children born to single mothers, 50% of black children never graduating from high school, the fervent desire to blame others for their troubles, rampant anti-intellectualism (such as beating classmates who actually try and learn), aggrandizing ghetto attitudes and popular ghetto culture.
This is the very definition of racism. Instead of looking at socio-economic factors, you have simply related it to the race of the individuals and then claimed that they have “failed”.
I’m glad you finally came out. It must have been dark in that closet.
He makes a habit out of redefining words to suit his perverse world view.He has so many closets to come out of, he should change his nick to ‘kitchen’ in his next T-Nation incarnation.
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Racism is to discriminate against someone because of something beyond their control, their race.
Culture is something that an individual adopts. You have a choice in the matter.
I would never belittle or discriminate against someone because of something outside their control I WILL however discriminate if they embrace a loser culture.
Sorry guys, you’ve failed. Once again, scapegoatting to avoid responsibility for your choices…shameful.
[quote]ALDurr wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
Yours.
Criticizing black culture is not the same as racism. Black culture is a failed culture — 80% of children born to single mothers, 50% of black children never graduating from high school, the fervent desire to blame others for their troubles, rampant anti-intellectualism (such as beating classmates who actually try and learn), aggrandizing ghetto attitudes and popular ghetto culture.
This is the very definition of racism. Instead of looking at socio-economic factors, you have simply related it to the race of the individuals and then claimed that they have “failed”.
I’m glad you finally came out. It must have been dark in that closet.
Statements like these are the exact reason why he gets called a racist. He pulls numbers out of his ass without looking at the study where they came from or any other factors involved and makes blanket statements about an entire race of people. He constantly brings these numbers up in any topic involving race. Additionally, the numbers that he is pulling out of his ass aren’t even accurate. He inflated those upward as well. All in all, a racist troll and a sad human being.[/quote]
Not sad at all. And racism is NOT the same as denouncing a loser culture and those who freely adopt it.
When kids in your culture beat a kid for studying, because that means he is ‘acting white’, that’s a loser culture symptom. When girls have baby after baby and it becomes the norm, that’s a loser culture symptom.
Sorry guys, face up to it. You embraced a culture that destroys black people. Bill Cosby told you its a loser culture and so do I.
I think I care more about black people than any of you.
Until and unless you adopt middle class values (education, responsibility, moral values), you ask for your own poverty and dissolution.
The Macquarie Dictionary defines racism as: “the belief that human races have distinctive characteristics which determine their respective cultures, usually involving the idea that one’s own race is superior and has the right to rule or dominate others.”
"Cultural Racism: This term is being used with increasing frequency to draw attention to a shift in the focial point of much racism from physical characteristics such as social customs, manners and behavior, religious and moral beliefs and practices, language, aesthetic values and leisure activities.
Whereas post-reflective gut racism seeks to explain and justify racist attitudes in religious or scientific terms, cultural racism attempts the same thing in cultural terms. It involves prejudice against individuals because of their culture.
The culture of minority groups is seen as flawed in soem way, and thus as standing in the way of their progress. Unlike post-reflective gut racism, however, cultural racism does not involve belief in the existence of any biological incapacity to change.
On the contrary, change is exactly what is sought. Minorities are encouraged to turn their back on their own culture and to become absorbed by the majority culture."
Sound familiar?
Racist.
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
ALDurr wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
Yours.
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I was talking about your mis-perception that anything that woman said had to do with race. You’re the pot calling the kettle black, except blacks actually have something to complain about and you don’t.
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Criticizing black culture is not the same as racism. Black culture is a failed culture — 80% of children born to single mothers, 50% of black children never graduating from high school, the fervent desire to blame others for their troubles,
Rampant anti-intellectualism (such as beating classmates who actually try and learn), aggrandizing ghetto attitudes and popular ghetto culture.
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I would agree that these are problems, but I’m unsure of those numbers. And criticizing black culture is also often a front for racist views that people don’t even know–or want to acknowledge–that they hold.
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Not sad at all. And racism is NOT the same as denouncing a loser culture and those who freely adopt it.
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Agreed. I’m not a moral relativist, some cultural practices, see slavery, female genital mutilation, honor killings, are abhorrent.
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
When kids in your culture beat a kid for studying, because that means he is ‘acting white’, that’s a loser culture symptom. When girls have baby after baby and it becomes the norm, that’s a loser culture symptom.
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I’d agree that these are not good signs.
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Sorry guys, face up to it. You embraced a culture that destroys black people. Bill Cosby told you its a loser culture and so do I.
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YOU face up to it. White people created a culture that destroyed and dehumanized black people, and now you’re complaining about reaping what you sowed. Black anti-intellectualism is largely the fruit of WHITE efforts to keep blacks uneducated and powerless.
Of course any attempt to reverse systemic racism is whined about as “reverse racism”. While you also ignore the very real barriers that make life significantly harder as a black person in the US today.
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
I think I care more about black people than any of you.
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LOL. WRONG.
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Until and unless you adopt middle class values (education, responsibility, moral values), you ask for your own poverty and dissolution.
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You say this as if there is no black middle class, or as if whites universally embraced these values, or as if embracing white culture would be a panacea for black problems–without addressing the obstacles in the way of that.
Cultural patterns are hard to break out of, and we are not responsible for the advantages and disadvantages our cultural milieu grants us by virtue of our birth.
And since I’m sure you strenuously oppose any efforts to target money or education or inculcation of “middle class values” specifically at black people (that’d be reverse racism dunn dunn dunn) I can’t see how we’re expected to take you seriously.
re: cultural racism
I think we can strike a balance between the paternalism and imperialism of the White Man’s Burden and the utter idiocy of absolute cultural relativism. There are some cultural values: like valuing industry, thrift, and education, which are universal positives.
Likewise there are cultural practices that are abhorrent, like gender selective abortion, apartheid, or the caste system. But the majority of cultural practices are neutral, like wedding ceremonies, death ceremonies, languages spoken, religions (debatable), birthday celebration, calendars, food, music, most of the things that make a culture a culture are morally neutral.
There’s no reason to obviate those cultural differences while we seek to destroy the real problems–that would be throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
Although our modern experience has shown us that cultural homogenization is almost inevitable in our increasingly global world, so I am somewhat skeptical of the ability of neutral cultural values to survive deliberate attempts at cultural change when even incidental contact with Western culture tends to result in massive changes to the native culture.
(See the experience of almost every 2nd and 3rd generation immigrant ever, they assimilate)
[quote]Gregus wrote:
What strikes me as odd is when Prof X or Big Boss (or any other minority poster) rips into a white candidate, I don’t even consider the race of the poster. Yet if I do similar, the first assumption is that I am making racist statements. The Prof is especially keen on doing this.
Ripping on icons is NOT racism. Quoting Bill Cosby about 50% of black students not graduating from high school is NOT racism. Expressing admiration for an intelligent black man is NOT an implication that I think most black men are, by comparison, therefore stupid. It is paranoia.
Paranoia it is. And the interesting thing about it is that most, no make that just about every black guy i’ve gotten to know better feels this way, but not all. It’s their Achilles heel. They’re Hippocrates and they don’t even know it. They think themselves as “thinkers” but see racism everywhere whenever theres any negativity coming towards them or their “race”.
The reason they see racism everywhere is because it’s what they think about, and if you think about it enough, it makes you a closet racist. And it’s what they are. You are what you think about the most. But, hey! Didn’t you know? Only white people can be racists.
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Perhaps because within our lifetimes segregation was still a reality, people were being lynched based on the color of their skin, and, until this last election, no non-white candidate has ever even come close to sniffing the white house. Stop trying to play victims here - racism was and is (even if it is to a lesser degree than before) a stark reality in America.
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
ALDurr wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
Yours.
Criticizing black culture is not the same as racism. Black culture is a failed culture — 80% of children born to single mothers, 50% of black children never graduating from high school, the fervent desire to blame others for their troubles, rampant anti-intellectualism (such as beating classmates who actually try and learn), aggrandizing ghetto attitudes and popular ghetto culture.
This is the very definition of racism. Instead of looking at socio-economic factors, you have simply related it to the race of the individuals and then claimed that they have “failed”.
I’m glad you finally came out. It must have been dark in that closet.
Statements like these are the exact reason why he gets called a racist. He pulls numbers out of his ass without looking at the study where they came from or any other factors involved and makes blanket statements about an entire race of people. He constantly brings these numbers up in any topic involving race. Additionally, the numbers that he is pulling out of his ass aren’t even accurate. He inflated those upward as well. All in all, a racist troll and a sad human being.
Not sad at all. And racism is NOT the same as denouncing a loser culture and those who freely adopt it.
When kids in your culture beat a kid for studying, because that means he is ‘acting white’, that’s a loser culture symptom. When girls have baby after baby and it becomes the norm, that’s a loser culture symptom.
Sorry guys, face up to it. You embraced a culture that destroys black people. Bill Cosby told you its a loser culture and so do I.
I think I care more about black people than any of you.
Until and unless you adopt middle class values (education, responsibility, moral values), you ask for your own poverty and dissolution.
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Define black culture…because socio-economic ills ARE NOT black culture…and stop generalizing that WEembrace them as such…arrogant fool.
You cry like a little bitch because people call you a racist…stop instigating it. Why are you playing with fire?? Yeah…yeah…I know…you’re just “pointing out facts”. Well tell us something we don’t know. Nobody is arguing against the socio-economic facts…however some of them are skewed for you ignorant rants. The biggest problem is that you’re using them to define an ENTIRE GROUP OF PEOPLE…hello,black culture???
You may not be “wearing a blanket”…but you’re sure good at freely making blanket statements. Frankly,there is not much difference…lol.
One of the main people that you so call respect(Tribulus)…has even pointed out that you set yourself up for accusations:
http://www.T-Nation.com/free_online_forum/world_news_war/pride_verses_racism?pageNo=3#bottom
…and you “respectfully” ignored what he said about you…coward. Yes,some IDIOTS embrace our socio-economic ills as cool…and what not. BUT they are idiots…and not the norm.
My first question still stands…but of course you’ll sly your way out of it with some form of bullshit and a weak attempt at trying to make me eat my own words. OR you’ll quote(out of context of course)a “black” person that obviously doesn’t speak for all us. Or you’ll just quote anything as a response.
“I think I care more about black people than any of you.”
Yeah,keep thinking that…
[quote]slimjim wrote:
Gregus wrote:
What strikes me as odd is when Prof X or Big Boss (or any other minority poster) rips into a white candidate, I don’t even consider the race of the poster. Yet if I do similar, the first assumption is that I am making racist statements. The Prof is especially keen on doing this.
Ripping on icons is NOT racism. Quoting Bill Cosby about 50% of black students not graduating from high school is NOT racism. Expressing admiration for an intelligent black man is NOT an implication that I think most black men are, by comparison, therefore stupid. It is paranoia.
Paranoia it is. And the interesting thing about it is that most, no make that just about every black guy i’ve gotten to know better feels this way, but not all. It’s their Achilles heel. They’re Hippocrates and they don’t even know it. They think themselves as “thinkers” but see racism everywhere whenever theres any negativity coming towards them or their “race”.
The reason they see racism everywhere is because it’s what they think about, and if you think about it enough, it makes you a closet racist. And it’s what they are. You are what you think about the most. But, hey! Didn’t you know? Only white people can be racists.
Perhaps because within our lifetimes segregation was still a reality, people were being lynched based on the color of their skin, and, until this last election, no non-white candidate has ever even come close to sniffing the white house. Stop trying to play victims here - racism was and is (even if it is to a lesser degree than before) a stark reality in America.[/quote]
Thank You! Someone with sense.
A lot of people seem to want to just forget America’s history and pretend that everything has always been as it was now. Acting all confused that blacks see racism everywhere… when up until recently racism WAS everywhere.
[quote]valiance. wrote:
YOU face up to it. White people created a culture that destroyed and dehumanized black people, and now you’re complaining about reaping what you sowed. Black anti-intellectualism is largely the fruit of WHITE efforts to keep blacks uneducated and powerless. Of course any attempt to reverse systemic racism is whined about as “reverse racism”. While you also ignore the very real barriers that make life significantly harder as a black person in the US today. [/quote]
Good post. However, I have stated the same before enough times to know most won’t even acknowledge it. That is why I keep writing, “damned if you do, damned if you don’t”. They are quick to rattle off stats about blacks and education while completely ignoring that the culture that even perpetuates an avoidance of glorifying education is largely because education was traditionally a huge obstacle for many blacks in the past. Those same people had kids who they taught based on their own experiences. It did not pop out of nowhere. However, what strikes me as odd is the attempt to label blacks as the the perpetrators of racism any time they react to racism. That makes no sense at all on any level unless they are simply trying to make themselves believe that racism is not an obstacle of any significance.
What do you mean reaping what we sowed? When did I ever keep the black man down. Why is it ok for you to lump all white people together but if I was to hold you accountable for every black mans mistakes I’m a fucking racist. If you are to hold me accountable for every mistake a white person has made then I will hold you accountable for every black persons mistake.
Or we could agree to judge the individual, which would you prefer?