Black History Month

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]btm62 wrote:
Professor X wrote:
btm62 wrote:

I don’t personally need one no, but if you want to put together something, knock yourself out. What it would have to do with anything would be interesting.

What it would have to do with anything? You are the one making an issue because the majority in America aren’t represented through a month or day of dedication as if you don’t understand how redundant this would be.

Kind of like Black History month. So African-American contributions are more special and deserving? I don’t really want a day or month for German white heterosexuals. I could frankly care less. But one is no more or less deserving than the other. Perhaps you should reread my first post, maybe try and grasp my point, (which you can certainly take as valid or not.) and stop making “issues” where there are none to begin with. You know, inform yourself.
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The contributions of black Americans were basically ignored for hundreds of years. The goal of BHM is to make all Americans aware of those contributions. If German-Americans had been enslaved, raped, tortured, families decimated, forced to live in ghettoes and refused possibility of betterment, I’d advocate a month for you guys too.

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[quote]btm62 wrote:
Professor X wrote:
btm62 wrote:

I don’t personally need one no, but if you want to put together something, knock yourself out. What it would have to do with anything would be interesting.

What it would have to do with anything? You are the one making an issue because the majority in America aren’t represented through a month or day of dedication as if you don’t understand how redundant this would be.

Kind of like Black History month. So African-American contributions are more special and deserving? I don’t really want a day or month for German white heterosexuals. I could frankly care less. But one is no more or less deserving than the other. Perhaps you should reread my first post, maybe try and grasp my point, (which you can certainly take as valid or not.) and stop making “issues” where there are none to begin with. You know, inform yourself.
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Why not take your own advice? Stop making issues where there are none. If you weren’t aware that many other minorities also had days of recognition, who needs to be informed?

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[quote]vroom wrote:
I’d rather be wiped out than be turned into property…

A history month isn’t hurting anything or anybody.[/quote]

Blacks werent the only people turned into property. Do some research on “Indentured Servants”

There was, by some guesses, more than 100 times the amount of white indentured servants in america than slaves.

Of course, you don’t hear much about them.

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[quote]Velvet Revolver wrote:
vroom wrote:
I’d rather be wiped out than be turned into property…

A history month isn’t hurting anything or anybody.

Blacks werent the only people turned into property. Do some research on “Indentured Servants”

There was, by some guesses, more than 100 times the amount of white indentured servants in america than slaves.

Of course, you don’t hear much about them. [/quote]

LOL, did they get beaten, have their family names changed or chained together? How were those boat rides? This just got stupid.

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[quote]Headhunter wrote:
btm62 wrote:
Professor X wrote:
btm62 wrote:

I don’t personally need one no, but if you want to put together something, knock yourself out. What it would have to do with anything would be interesting.

What it would have to do with anything? You are the one making an issue because the majority in America aren’t represented through a month or day of dedication as if you don’t understand how redundant this would be.

Kind of like Black History month. So African-American contributions are more special and deserving? I don’t really want a day or month for German white heterosexuals. I could frankly care less. But one is no more or less deserving than the other. Perhaps you should reread my first post, maybe try and grasp my point, (which you can certainly take as valid or not.) and stop making “issues” where there are none to begin with. You know, inform yourself.

The contributions of black Americans were basically ignored for hundreds of years. The goal of BHM is to make all Americans aware of those contributions. If German-Americans had been enslaved, raped, tortured, families decimated, forced to live in ghettoes and refused possibility of betterment, I’d advocate a month for you guys too.

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Like Japanese-Americans in WW2?

Just to clarify for all of you with tunnel vision who cannot go back and read the posts and ascertain the main point.

  1. All people’s have been enslaved at one time or another in our long illustrious history.

  2. We are all the HUMAN race and all are worthy of dignity and respect when earned regardless of skin, religion, etc.

  3. All people of all types have contributed to society as well as detracted.

  4. I don’t give a hairy rats ass about German american day or any other day to celebrate someone’s heritage. Maybe if someone would throw a bbq or something I would celebrate it more.

Now if you can go back and read my posts objectively and tell me these are wrong I will listen, but consider this: Are we basically in agreement here? Am I spouting anything rascist? Do I seem to be denigrating anyone? Or do I simply giving my opinion on this day and saying that all people should be treated with equality and respect regardless of skin…etc…

But feel free to continue to twist words. Your SO smart!

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
btm62 wrote:
Professor X wrote:
btm62 wrote:

I don’t personally need one no, but if you want to put together something, knock yourself out. What it would have to do with anything would be interesting.

What it would have to do with anything? You are the one making an issue because the majority in America aren’t represented through a month or day of dedication as if you don’t understand how redundant this would be.

Kind of like Black History month. So African-American contributions are more special and deserving? I don’t really want a day or month for German white heterosexuals. I could frankly care less. But one is no more or less deserving than the other. Perhaps you should reread my first post, maybe try and grasp my point, (which you can certainly take as valid or not.) and stop making “issues” where there are none to begin with. You know, inform yourself.

Why not take your own advice? Stop making issues where there are none. If you weren’t aware that many other minorities also had days of recognition, who needs to be informed?
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My sentence was: Do ALL other races have a special day? ALL, ALL! That is a question. I don’t see how it implies that NO OTHERS have it, otherwise the question would have been phrased, Do ANY other races other than blacks have days? Then you could make an argument for me not being informed.

After all, my point was as stated that ALL other races, or I will defer to MOST other races have been enslaved at one time in history. Also, that no one race’s accomplishments are more special than anothers. Maybe not so much informed in your case as a reading comprehension issue. Perhaps some belligerance as well.

Now for the love of God, please dwell on some other facet of the posts other than to try and neener neener me because you didn’t think I knew there were other days of recognition for other races or that I wanted one of my own. Cause is that really the point for God’s sake. Don’t make me get out the crayons!

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[quote]Headhunter wrote:
btm62 wrote:
Professor X wrote:
btm62 wrote:

I don’t personally need one no, but if you want to put together something, knock yourself out. What it would have to do with anything would be interesting.

What it would have to do with anything? You are the one making an issue because the majority in America aren’t represented through a month or day of dedication as if you don’t understand how redundant this would be.

Kind of like Black History month. So African-American contributions are more special and deserving? I don’t really want a day or month for German white heterosexuals. I could frankly care less. But one is no more or less deserving than the other. Perhaps you should reread my first post, maybe try and grasp my point, (which you can certainly take as valid or not.) and stop making “issues” where there are none to begin with. You know, inform yourself.

The contributions of black Americans were basically ignored for hundreds of years. The goal of BHM is to make all Americans aware of those contributions. If German-Americans had been enslaved, raped, tortured, families decimated, forced to live in ghettoes and refused possibility of betterment, I’d advocate a month for you guys too.

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Hundreds of years?

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[quote]btm62 wrote:
Professor X wrote:
btm62 wrote:
Professor X wrote:
btm62 wrote:

I don’t personally need one no, but if you want to put together something, knock yourself out. What it would have to do with anything would be interesting.

What it would have to do with anything? You are the one making an issue because the majority in America aren’t represented through a month or day of dedication as if you don’t understand how redundant this would be.

Kind of like Black History month. So African-American contributions are more special and deserving? I don’t really want a day or month for German white heterosexuals. I could frankly care less. But one is no more or less deserving than the other. Perhaps you should reread my first post, maybe try and grasp my point, (which you can certainly take as valid or not.) and stop making “issues” where there are none to begin with. You know, inform yourself.

Why not take your own advice? Stop making issues where there are none. If you weren’t aware that many other minorities also had days of recognition, who needs to be informed?

My sentence was: Do ALL other races have a special day? ALL, ALL! That is a question. I don’t see how it implies that NO OTHERS have it, otherwise the question would have been phrased, Do ANY other races other than blacks have days? Then you could make an argument for me not being informed.

After all, my point was as stated that ALL other races, or I will defer to MOST other races have been enslaved at one time in history. Also, that no one race’s accomplishments are more special than anothers. Maybe not so much informed in your case as a reading comprehension issue. Perhaps some belligerance as well.

Now for the love of God, please dwell on some other facet of the posts other than to try and neener neener me because you didn’t think I knew there were other days of recognition for other races or that I wanted one of my own. Cause is that really the point for God’s sake. Don’t make me get out the crayons![/quote]

You speak of my reading comprehension while you ignore your own lack of it. What don’t you get about minorities not just being ignored in this country but degraded until just recently, as in the last 20 years or so? You keep talking about all of these other races being enslaved, what race, aside from the jews in ancient egypt, were enslaved globally to the degree that Africans were in RECENT history and had the carryover from this affect the lives of people still alive today?

My grandmother and my mother could both remember “white only” restaurants in the south. Why are you trying so hard to pretend as if this was so long ago that it should be forgotten? It was NOT that long ago. Its effects are still evident. Why pretend? the Tuskeegee experiment didn’t end until the 70’s. That means people alive today have lived with this and you want to act as if it has no effect on current society? Why?

If you respond with anything other than acknowledging that racial injustices from racial profiling to blatant on the job racism has affected the lives of many alive today to a significant degree, you can argue with yourself. I’m done here anyway.

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[quote]btm62 wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
btm62 wrote:
Professor X wrote:
btm62 wrote:

I don’t personally need one no, but if you want to put together something, knock yourself out. What it would have to do with anything would be interesting.

What it would have to do with anything? You are the one making an issue because the majority in America aren’t represented through a month or day of dedication as if you don’t understand how redundant this would be.

Kind of like Black History month. So African-American contributions are more special and deserving? I don’t really want a day or month for German white heterosexuals. I could frankly care less. But one is no more or less deserving than the other. Perhaps you should reread my first post, maybe try and grasp my point, (which you can certainly take as valid or not.) and stop making “issues” where there are none to begin with. You know, inform yourself.

The contributions of black Americans were basically ignored for hundreds of years. The goal of BHM is to make all Americans aware of those contributions. If German-Americans had been enslaved, raped, tortured, families decimated, forced to live in ghettoes and refused possibility of betterment, I’d advocate a month for you guys too.

Hundreds of years? [/quote]

Yes, hundreds of years. You didn’t know this? Slavery ended in the 1860’s. There were contributions even during the 300 years of slavery in this country. How unaware are you?

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
btm62 wrote:
Professor X wrote:
btm62 wrote:
Professor X wrote:
btm62 wrote:

I don’t personally need one no, but if you want to put together something, knock yourself out. What it would have to do with anything would be interesting.

What it would have to do with anything? You are the one making an issue because the majority in America aren’t represented through a month or day of dedication as if you don’t understand how redundant this would be.

Kind of like Black History month. So African-American contributions are more special and deserving? I don’t really want a day or month for German white heterosexuals. I could frankly care less. But one is no more or less deserving than the other. Perhaps you should reread my first post, maybe try and grasp my point, (which you can certainly take as valid or not.) and stop making “issues” where there are none to begin with. You know, inform yourself.

Why not take your own advice? Stop making issues where there are none. If you weren’t aware that many other minorities also had days of recognition, who needs to be informed?

My sentence was: Do ALL other races have a special day? ALL, ALL! That is a question. I don’t see how it implies that NO OTHERS have it, otherwise the question would have been phrased, Do ANY other races other than blacks have days? Then you could make an argument for me not being informed.

After all, my point was as stated that ALL other races, or I will defer to MOST other races have been enslaved at one time in history. Also, that no one race’s accomplishments are more special than anothers. Maybe not so much informed in your case as a reading comprehension issue. Perhaps some belligerance as well.

Now for the love of God, please dwell on some other facet of the posts other than to try and neener neener me because you didn’t think I knew there were other days of recognition for other races or that I wanted one of my own. Cause is that really the point for God’s sake. Don’t make me get out the crayons!

You speak of my reading comprehension while you ignore your own lack of it. What don’t you get about minorities not just being ignored in this country but degraded until just recently, as in the last 20 years or so?

Minorities? Not just blacks? I checked the list to stay informed. They don’t all have months or days. Hey you brought it up pal.

You keep talking about all of these other races being enslaved, what race, aside from the jews in ancient egypt, were enslaved globally to the degree that Africans were in RECENT history and had the carryover from this affect the lives of people still alive today?

Oh sorry, didn’t get the memo about my date restrictions on slavery issues. Lets see: The Slavs. Where did we get that word slave from? Maybe the Kurds, Tibetans. The Romans had slaves from all over. How many of their own people did Stalin and Mao abuse?

My grandmother and my mother can both remember “white only” restaurants in the south. Why are you trying so hard to pretend as if this was so long ago that it should be forgotten? It was NOT that long ago. Its effects are still evident. Why pretend? the Tuskeegee experiment didn’t end until the 70’s. That means people alive today have lived with this and you want to act as if it has no effect on current society? Why?

I don’t ever recall saying this should be forgotten. What is your point? Preach on to the choir man.

If you respond with anything other than acknowledging that racial injustices from racial profiling to blatant on the job racism has affected the lives of many alive today to a significant degree, you can argue with yourself. I’m done here anyway.[/quote]

WTF?

You don’t dictate terms to me. What did that last rant have to do with anything I’ve been saying?

You were done 3 posts ago.

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[quote]btm62 wrote:
Minorities? Not just blacks? I checked the list to stay informed. They don’t all have months or days. Hey you brought it up pal.[/quote]

Then they should work towards getting one. What is your point?

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Oh sorry, didn’t get the memo about my date restrictions on slavery issues. Lets see: The Slavs. Where did we get that word slave from? Maybe the Kurds, Tibetans. The Romans had slaves from all over. How many of their own people did Stalin and Mao abuse?[/quote]

What do Stalin or Mao have to do WITH THE CITIZENS OF THIS COUNTRY?

You imply it each time you act as if minorities are trying to be “special” by acknowledging accomplishments.

[quote]You don’t dictate terms to me. What did that last rant have to do with anything I’ve been saying?

You were done 3 posts ago.[/quote]

It has been explained to you. The only thing being dictated to you is how uneducated you seem to be about what happened in this country. Hundreds of years? Wow.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
btm62 wrote:
Minorities? Not just blacks? I checked the list to stay informed. They don’t all have months or days. Hey you brought it up pal.

Then they should work towards getting one. What is your point?

Oh sorry, didn’t get the memo about my date restrictions on slavery issues. Lets see: The Slavs. Where did we get that word slave from? Maybe the Kurds, Tibetans. The Romans had slaves from all over. How many of their own people did Stalin and Mao abuse?

What do Stalin or Mao have to do WITH THE CITIZENS OF THIS COUNTRY?

I don’t ever recall saying this should be forgotten. What is your point? Preach on to the choir man.

You imply it each time you act as if minorities are trying to be “special” by acknowledging accomplishments.

You don’t dictate terms to me. What did that last rant have to do with anything I’ve been saying?

You were done 3 posts ago.

It has been explained to you. The only thing being dictated to you is how uneducated you seem to be about what happened in this country. Hundreds of years? Wow.

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Oh now in order to be valid it had to happen RECENTLY in THIS country. I guess your right dude. No one else is worthy.

Bugs Buuny says to Wile E. Coyote, “I give up on account of I cannot compete no more with such genius.”

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Professor X, look I can see where you’re coming from but when you say other races haven’t been enslaved … you need to check your info. You’ve accused everyone here about not checking their facts, but on this one you haven’t. Read about some history and you’ll find that just about all of the civilizations throughout history have had slaves.

The Chinese used slaves to build much of the Great Wall and some of them are buried there today. Roman slaves were tossed into an arena as gladiators. Egyptians had slaves before they enslaved the Hebrews. These are just a few examples.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
Velvet Revolver wrote:
vroom wrote:
I’d rather be wiped out than be turned into property…

A history month isn’t hurting anything or anybody.

Blacks werent the only people turned into property. Do some research on “Indentured Servants”

There was, by some guesses, more than 100 times the amount of white indentured servants in america than slaves.

Of course, you don’t hear much about them.

LOL, did they get beaten, have their family names changed or chained together? How were those boat rides? This just got stupid.[/quote]

Do your research.

Reports show that during their time of servatude they were treated WORSE than slaves. Why? The 5 year rule. Owners had slaves for life. Since they knew they were in it for the long haul, they at least had to show a small amount of restraint if they wanted to get their moneys worth and have a slave last 30 years.

With indentured servants, they knew it was only 5 years, so there was no holding back. there was no reason to. Some indentured servants were treated ok, but the majority were beaten and treated just as bad and in alot of cases worse.

Im not condoning any act, just stating a few facts thats all. Granted, i would rather have been a indentured servant, not a slave. but either way, im just staing blacks arent the only people enslaved.

And lets not forget, the amount of suffering and persecution of the Jews makes the blacks case look like a picnic.

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[quote]JMUdude509 wrote:
Professor X, look I can see where you’re coming from but when you say other races haven’t been enslaved … you need to check your info. You’ve accused everyone here about not checking their facts, but on this one you haven’t. Read about some history and you’ll find that just about all of the civilizations throughout history have had slaves.

The Chinese used slaves to build much of the great wall and some of them are buried there today. Roman slaves were tossed into an arena as gladiators. Egyptians had slaves before they enslaved the Hebrews. These are just a few examples. [/quote]

I think you misread what I wrote. very rarely throughout our history has any one entire RACE of people been enslaved. There have been slaves based on status and social level, however, aside from the Jews and dark skinned Africans, what other race was singled out as SLAVE? Coming together for you now?

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[quote]Velvet Revolver wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Velvet Revolver wrote:
vroom wrote:
I’d rather be wiped out than be turned into property…

A history month isn’t hurting anything or anybody.

Blacks werent the only people turned into property. Do some research on “Indentured Servants”

There was, by some guesses, more than 100 times the amount of white indentured servants in america than slaves.

Of course, you don’t hear much about them.

LOL, did they get beaten, have their family names changed or chained together? How were those boat rides? This just got stupid.

Do your research.

Reports show that during their time of servatude they were treated WORSE than slaves. Why? The 5 year rule. Owners had slaves for life. Since they knew they were in it for the long haul, they at least had to show a small amount of restraint if they wanted to get their moneys worth and have a slave last 30 years.

With indentured servants, they knew it was only 5 years, so there was no holding back. there was no reason to. Some indentured servants were treated ok, but the majority were beaten and treated just as bad and in alot of cases worse.

Im not condoning any act, just stating a few facts thats all. Granted, i would rather have been a indentured servant, not a slave. but either way, im just staing blacks arent the only people enslaved.

And lets not forget, the amount of suffering and persecution of the Jews makes the blacks case look like a picnic. [/quote]

There is a rather large difference between a “bad job as an indentured servant” for 5 years and having your name changed, your history erased, your family split up, your self esteem destroyed and being told you don’t deserve even basic human dignity or the right to learn to read or write. The fact that you are even attempting to compare the two makes you look rather foolish.

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Not all Africans in America were slaves. Generally the ones south of the Mason Dixon line were slaves and the ones in the north were free.

Africans in Africa were not all enslaved but some were held as slaves by Arabs and other Africans. It is still happening today over in parts of Africa.

All races have been held as slaves, usually by their own races.

The African slaves in America is probably the most egregious example of one race holding another in slavery.

It is a shameful part of our history.

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[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Not all Africans in America were slaves. Generally the ones south of the Mason Dixon line were slaves and the ones in the north were free.

Africans in Africa were not all enslaved but some were held as slaves by Arabs and other Africans. It is still happening today over in parts of Africa.

All races have been held as slaves, usually by their own races.

The African slaves in America is probably the most egregious example of one race holding another in slavery.

It is a shameful part of our history.[/quote]

As I understood, slavery, for the most part, was about whoever won the wars that were fought.

The Jews, and the blacks in America, are the two examples of a race being held simply because of their color or creed, and not because they lost a battle or war of some sort.

Although feudalism was a form of slavery, one could also say that the subjegation of Ireland was a type of slavery. The lines blur once you get out of the realm of “You will work my land for free”.

And Btm, there’s the things, they’re called “books” and some of them talk about this stuff that happened a rreeaallllyyy long time ago ( “history”). You might want to check them out, even though you might not be interested in things that happened a reeallllyy long time ago, because it kind of affects the present…just a little…

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Well,I for one can’t wait for Irish American day,or St.Pattys Day.I celebrate my ethnic history by getting loaded and acting a bigger fool than I normally do.Seriously,this thread has gotten way off the mark.My favorite African American is BB King.Great music.Without him,we have no Elvis,or probably a different sounding Elvis,and our music now would probably sound very different.

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Why does it matter why anyone was enslaved? Every conceivable reason was used - race, birthright, war prize, nationality - there are all terrible, and one isn’t ‘worse’ than another.

Slavery is a horrible chapter in human history - but if anyone wants to be manically fixated on race, why not be cheering that the white race is the one that finally conquered this awful institution after being born into it for centuries?

I personally do not endorse that view and think ‘race’ has nothing to do with it - it’s culture - but if race is so important factor, why not give credit where credit is due?