[quote]GeorgeMontyIV wrote:
Pretzel Logic wrote:
Dave Chappelle is funny and I like him and since his show hasn’t been on for like two years, I think he qualifies as a hero to be celebrated as a great American black who contributed to our country in a big, funny way.
Black people hate Chappelle because his humor makes fun of blacks. Just ask al durr or X about this. And quit being igorant my man.[/quote]
I have no problem with Dave Chappelle. At all.
[quote]LoneLobo wrote:
I’m callin bs on Prof X. Coretta tried to license everything about MLK, and generally abused his legacy to her own gain. Licensing his speeches, the statue, etc. generally detracts from his image.[/quote]
You are calling “BS” on me? Exactly what are you calling “BS” on? What was stated that was false? How does licensing her HUSBAND’S image equal “detracting” from it? His children and his wife are why his image has not been exploited. His wife and his children are why it is a national Holiday. Show proof that his image has been “detracted” from because of her efforts. What is BS is that you overlooked her actions as far as being an activist even before she was married as if you are looking to degrade the woman for some reason. Why is that?
[quote]Professor X wrote:
doogie wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Anytime that I begin to wonder why kids in this country don’t seem to be learning much from their education, I will always think of you.
My student’s have much better reading comprehension than you do. They don’t inject their prejudices into everything they read.
I hope they also don’t “inject” a lack of a sense of respect for people who just recently died who made positive impacts on society as well. [/quote]
Can I hijack my own thread? 
Anyway, I wish some of the speakers at Mrs. King’s funeral would not have used this very solemn occasion to talk about WMDs and the like. This was not the place for a forum on Bush’s policies.
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Professor X wrote:
doogie wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Anytime that I begin to wonder why kids in this country don’t seem to be learning much from their education, I will always think of you.
My student’s have much better reading comprehension than you do. They don’t inject their prejudices into everything they read.
I hope they also don’t “inject” a lack of a sense of respect for people who just recently died who made positive impacts on society as well.
Can I hijack my own thread? Anyway, I wish some of the speakers at Mrs. King’s funeral would not have used this very solemn occasion to talk about WMDs and the like. This was not the place for a forum on Bush’s policies.
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Dems did that before with Paul Wellstones funeral.
Remember that fiasco?
[quote]ZEB wrote:
Can I hijack my own thread? Anyway, I wish some of the speakers at Mrs. King’s funeral would not have used this very solemn occasion to talk about WMDs and the like. This was not the place for a forum on Bush’s policies.
Dems did that before with Paul Wellstones funeral.
Remember that fiasco?
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Scroll down to “Funeral Crashers”
pretty funny
http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/parody.member.html
We need to stop thinking/refering to each other as White, Black, Latino, or whatever else we may think we should call each other, by doing so we are discriminating. We should be proud of our American and especially our individual heritages. If we could come together as one RACE “THE AMERICAN RACE” we would become an unstoppable Nation/Race. I was born an American I’m DAMN proud of that I have traveled the world as one, (usually a drunk ugly American!! but none the less an American) and I will die one. The history of our nation is American History not black, latino or white history, no matter how ugly it is, or the mistakes made by our fellow Americans in the past we can’t change it. We can learn from it and grow as a Race of different people with individual backgrounds and come together as one Race. OORRAH!
[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
but I don’t think acknowledging accomplishments promotes racism.
Sure doesn’t, lol.
Last time I checked, there is only Black History month, no Hispanic History month, no Native American History month, and you think African Americans had it bad, we pretty much wiped out a whole population of indingenous people, yet no special months for them.[/quote]
Sorry to disagree. http://www.diversitycentral.com/heritage_month.html
November is Native American Heritage Month.
September 15 to October 15 Hispanic Heritage Month
March National Women’s History Month
May Asian Pacific American Heritage and Older Americans Month
June Gay Lesbian Pride Month
October National Disability Employment Awareness Month
Dammit, it pisses me off.
If you don’t like what someone is saying, or if they chap your ass because you are being a moron, it isn’t because the person doing it is racist.
You need to realize that there is a lot of spin put onto race relations. I’m sure there are web sites or whatnot that will downplay or misrepresent the actions of MLK and his family (as a simple example, it gets far worse).
Whether or not we like thinking about race issues, white people, myself included, should be duty bound not to encourage the spread of misinformation about other races by (usually) other white people with an agenda or hate-on.
The actions of those making racially motivated statements (I don’t mean members here, but primarily those publishing misinformation) pretty much gaurantee that we’ll be fighting about this stuff for eternity – so if you wish it would go away, that is where you should be directing your energy.
And no, before you get your panties in a wad, I’m not talking about censorship either.
Think about it.
[quote]Lorisco wrote:
btm62 wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
How about a thread dedicated to all the great black men and women of our country? One of my favorite quotes:
“We must all learn to live together as brothers or perish together as fools.”
--- MLK
And a good start would be to get rid of black history month and realize we are all on the same planet. What is the relevance of a persons skin color to their achievements? In my brief journey here I have read of and witnessed to great acts of courage, cowardice, genius and depravity by all races, genders and sexual orientations of PEOPLE.
You don’t get self-esteem from me for being a member of certain race. You earn it individually.
Perhaps if schools taught American history including all the different races that contributed to the development of this country then we wouldn’t need a Black history month. But as long as only Whites are included in the general history education of this country we will need history months of another races to make their contributions known.
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Fast forward your time machine to today. Its not 1970 anymore.
[quote]singram wrote:
btm62 wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
How about a thread dedicated to all the great black men and women of our country? One of my favorite quotes:
“We must all learn to live together as brothers or perish together as fools.”
--- MLK
And a good start would be to get rid of black history month and realize we are all on the same planet. What is the relevance of a persons skin color to their achievements? In my brief journey here I have read of and witnessed to great acts of courage, cowardice, genius and depravity by all races, genders and sexual orientations of PEOPLE.
You don’t get self-esteem from me for being a member of certain race. You earn it individually.
While fine in theory,whats wrong with celebrating the accomplishments of a race of people who until recently,weren’t even allowed the basic rights other American citizens enjoyed.
While I agree with what Morgan Freeman said,I don’t think we’re at point yet in America.Nothing wrong with celebrating ones history.[/quote]
America has been around for a very short time. Most every race has been slave to some other race throughout history. Do all other races get a special month? To me this is the kind of thing that divides not fosters unity. I stand by my original opinion, and it is just that, my opinion.
[quote]USMC68 wrote:
We need to stop thinking/refering to each other as White, Black, Latino, or whatever else we may think we should call each other, by doing so we are discriminating. We should be proud of our American and especially our individual heritages. If we could come together as one RACE “THE AMERICAN RACE” we would become an unstoppable Nation/Race. I was born an American I’m DAMN proud of that I have traveled the world as one, (usually a drunk ugly American!! but none the less an American) and I will die one. The history of our nation is American History not black, latino or white history, no matter how ugly it is, or the mistakes made by our fellow Americans in the past we can’t change it. We can learn from it and grow as a Race of different people with individual backgrounds and come together as one Race. OORRAH![/quote]
I agree.
[quote]GeorgeMontyIV wrote:
Dont criticize corretta scott king you racist doogie. Thats WRONG! She’s beyond any criticism kind of like jesus.
This is what X is being:
http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/warriorshtm/ethnix.htm
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Jesus is beyond criticism?
[quote]btm62 wrote:
Do all other races get a special month?
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Different minority groups do have their own month and this info was provided by “drilldaddy”. Get more informed. As far as necessity, we have had people log on here completely clueless about what african americans have contributed in this country. This information is not being universally taught across the country and many are in the dark about their very own heritage. We can pretend that race does not matter the moment that others see everyone as an individual instead of a racial stereotype. Having a month devoted to recognition of the acheivments of minorities is not racist. What was racist was the disinformation and lack of respect that prompted the need for its existance to begin with.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
btm62 wrote:
Do all other races get a special month?
Different minority groups do have their own month and this info was provided by “drilldaddy”. Get more informed. As far as necessity, we have had people log on here completely clueless about what african americans have contributed in this country. This information is not being universally taught across the country and many are in the dark about their very own heritage. We can pretend that race does not matter the moment that others see everyone as an individual instead of a racial stereotype. Having a month devoted to recognition of the acheivments of minorities is not racist. What was racist was the disinformation and lack of respect that prompted the need for its existance to begin with.[/quote]
I respect you too much to play word games like the difference between all and some. I’m German, male and heterosexual, didn’t see my month celebrating people of like associations accomplishments. So I guess I WAS informed enough to make that statement. However, I agree with your last sentence completely. But like religion I don’t think it can be forced on to others.
I’d like to know where the contributions of African-Americans are not taught in the curriculum. I gragitated skool several years ago. (In the 70’s) and I can remember being taught about George Washington Carver and Rosa Parks and MLK even then. My kids still bring things home discussing them and others also. Maybe I’m wrong here, but my assumption is is that these things are being taught.
[quote]btm62 wrote:
Professor X wrote:
btm62 wrote:
Do all other races get a special month?
Different minority groups do have their own month and this info was provided by “drilldaddy”. Get more informed. As far as necessity, we have had people log on here completely clueless about what african americans have contributed in this country. This information is not being universally taught across the country and many are in the dark about their very own heritage. We can pretend that race does not matter the moment that others see everyone as an individual instead of a racial stereotype. Having a month devoted to recognition of the acheivments of minorities is not racist. What was racist was the disinformation and lack of respect that prompted the need for its existance to begin with.
I respect you too much to play word games like the difference between all and some. I’m German, male and heterosexual, didn’t see my month celebrating people of like associations accomplishments. So I guess I WAS informed enough to make that statement. However, I agree with your last sentence completely. But like religion I don’t think it can be forced on to others.
I’d like to know where the contributions of African-Americans are not taught in the curriculum. I gragitated skool several years ago. (In the 70’s) and I can remember being taught about George Washington Carver and Rosa Parks and MLK even then. My kids still bring things home discussing them and others also. Maybe I’m wrong here, but my assumption is is that these things are being taught. [/quote]
Does this conversation really need explanation into why minorities are under-represented and why a majority would already be well represented in society? I thought this was understood.
[quote]vroom wrote:
Dammit, it pisses me off.
If you don’t like what someone is saying, or if they chap your ass because you are being a moron, it isn’t because the person doing it is racist.
You need to realize that there is a lot of spin put onto race relations. I’m sure there are web sites or whatnot that will downplay or misrepresent the actions of MLK and his family (as a simple example, it gets far worse).
Whether or not we like thinking about race issues, white people, myself included, should be duty bound not to encourage the spread of misinformation about other races by (usually) other white people with an agenda or hate-on.
The actions of those making racially motivated statements (I don’t mean members here, but primarily those publishing misinformation) pretty much gaurantee that we’ll be fighting about this stuff for eternity – so if you wish it would go away, that is where you should be directing your energy.
And no, before you get your panties in a wad, I’m not talking about censorship either.
Think about it.[/quote]
Vroom I hate to disagree with you but I also believe that MLK would not have had his prominence that he has today with out his wife. NPR did a special on Coretta she saw herself as Royalty of the black race. She tirelessly promoted MLK?s estate that was her trust I am sure. He was a good man I believe, but there have been a lot of great black men.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
btm62 wrote:
Professor X wrote:
btm62 wrote:
Do all other races get a special month?
Different minority groups do have their own month and this info was provided by “drilldaddy”. Get more informed. As far as necessity, we have had people log on here completely clueless about what african americans have contributed in this country. This information is not being universally taught across the country and many are in the dark about their very own heritage. We can pretend that race does not matter the moment that others see everyone as an individual instead of a racial stereotype. Having a month devoted to recognition of the acheivments of minorities is not racist. What was racist was the disinformation and lack of respect that prompted the need for its existance to begin with.
I respect you too much to play word games like the difference between all and some. I’m German, male and heterosexual, didn’t see my month celebrating people of like associations accomplishments. So I guess I WAS informed enough to make that statement. However, I agree with your last sentence completely. But like religion I don’t think it can be forced on to others.
I’d like to know where the contributions of African-Americans are not taught in the curriculum. I gragitated skool several years ago. (In the 70’s) and I can remember being taught about George Washington Carver and Rosa Parks and MLK even then. My kids still bring things home discussing them and others also. Maybe I’m wrong here, but my assumption is is that these things are being taught.
Does this conversation really need explanation into why minorities are under-represented and why a majority would already be well represented in society? I thought this was understood.[/quote]
I don’t personally need one no, but if you want to put together something, knock yourself out. What it would have to do with anything would be interesting.
[quote]btm62 wrote:
I don’t personally need one no, but if you want to put together something, knock yourself out. What it would have to do with anything would be interesting.[/quote]
What it would have to do with anything? You are the one making an issue because the majority in America aren’t represented through a month or day of dedication as if you don’t understand how redundant this would be.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
btm62 wrote:
I don’t personally need one no, but if you want to put together something, knock yourself out. What it would have to do with anything would be interesting.
What it would have to do with anything? You are the one making an issue because the majority in America aren’t represented through a month or day of dedication as if you don’t understand how redundant this would be.[/quote]
Kind of like Black History month. So African-American contributions are more special and deserving? I don’t really want a day or month for German white heterosexuals. I could frankly care less. But one is no more or less deserving than the other. Perhaps you should reread my first post, maybe try and grasp my point, (which you can certainly take as valid or not.) and stop making “issues” where there are none to begin with. You know, inform yourself.
Malcolm X
If you’ve never read his autobiography, you’re missing out. The part where he steers rich white dudes to a black dominatrix and ‘she oils up her big black body’ before whipping them, is absolutely hilarious. He talks about white judges and congressmen who can’t wait to get their whipping and how sometimes they ‘pay him to watch’.
One of the best books I’ve read, for human interest.