Bi's for Lanky People

[quote]ActivitiesGuy wrote:

We tend to look at these things in black and white terms without waiting for the necessary details. “Do more heavy compound lifts” is good advice for teenage kids who bench 135 pounds and spend most of their workout curling 20 pound dumbbells, while “do more isolation work” is good advice for someone that wants bigger arms but never does any curls, period. It’s that simple in some cases, but not in OP’s case.[/quote]

Also, let’s dig into what “more isolation work” means on a practical level. If it means that Mr. Lanky adds about 20 minutes of isolation work to his deadlift day, then it won’t add up to shit.

Within the broad category of isolation work, there are a shitload of variables that can be managed and harnessed to optimize results. Frequency, volume, contraction techniques, load progression, leverage angles, periodization schemes…it goes on and on. That’s why I say some of this comes down to one’s mindset towards lifting.

For example, if you are particularly susceptible to feeling like the Alpha Male powerlifter in your gym will think you are a sissy for curling light weights…well, then the sweet irony is that you may be stuck with lanky arms forever. So when you are NOT in the gym, it will be the smoking hot girl that thinks you are a sissy because your arms look tiny and weak.

In conclusion, Curls for the Girls.

Thanks AG and Serge, I’m working on incorporating more arm stuff and different movements. I have no ego in the gym, I don’t care if I’m using light weights as long as I’m progressing.

[quote]Serge A. Storms wrote:
Also, let’s dig into what “more isolation work” means on a practical level. If it means that Mr. Lanky adds about 20 minutes of isolation work to his deadlift day, then it won’t add up to shit.

Within the broad category of isolation work, there are a shitload of variables that can be managed and harnessed to optimize results. Frequency, volume, contraction techniques, load progression, leverage angles, periodization schemes…it goes on and on. That’s why I say some of this comes down to one’s mindset towards lifting.

For example, if you are particularly susceptible to feeling like the Alpha Male powerlifter in your gym will think you are a sissy for curling light weights…well, then the sweet irony is that you may be stuck with lanky arms forever. So when you are NOT in the gym, it will be the smoking hot girl that thinks you are a sissy because your arms look tiny and weak.

In conclusion, Curls for the Girls.[/quote]

Obviously not asking you to spoon feed here, but could you give an example of a starting point for what a sensible “arms workout” would look like?

Mostly because there’s been a strong bias in this subforum towards moderate-rep compounds with optional assistance work for weak points. The majority of the focus (and discussion) for any isolation work has been toward strength, not size.

So, I agree with needing to change your mindset, but there hasn’t been much to reference as examples. At least not in the past couple years I’ve been on this site, since a number of the more “size” focused lifters left.

[quote]LoRez wrote:

[quote]Serge A. Storms wrote:
Also, let’s dig into what “more isolation work” means on a practical level. If it means that Mr. Lanky adds about 20 minutes of isolation work to his deadlift day, then it won’t add up to shit.

Within the broad category of isolation work, there are a shitload of variables that can be managed and harnessed to optimize results. Frequency, volume, contraction techniques, load progression, leverage angles, periodization schemes…it goes on and on. That’s why I say some of this comes down to one’s mindset towards lifting.

For example, if you are particularly susceptible to feeling like the Alpha Male powerlifter in your gym will think you are a sissy for curling light weights…well, then the sweet irony is that you may be stuck with lanky arms forever. So when you are NOT in the gym, it will be the smoking hot girl that thinks you are a sissy because your arms look tiny and weak.

In conclusion, Curls for the Girls.[/quote]

Obviously not asking you to spoon feed here, but could you give an example of a starting point for what a sensible “arms workout” would look like?

Mostly because there’s been a strong bias in this subforum towards moderate-rep compounds with optional assistance work for weak points. The majority of the focus (and discussion) for any isolation work has been toward strength, not size.

So, I agree with needing to change your mindset, but there hasn’t been much to reference as examples. At least not in the past couple years I’ve been on this site, since a number of the more “size” focused lifters left.[/quote]

I think the recent “EyeDentist: How Do You Train?” thread had rather creative suggestions. Ideas such as starting with a high-rep partial ROM movement to get blood into the area, moving gradually to full ROM, focusing more on the contraction in the muscle rather than the amount of weight lifted.

[quote]LoRez wrote:

So, I agree with needing to change your mindset, but there hasn’t been much to reference as examples. At least not in the past couple years I’ve been on this site, since a number of the more “size” focused lifters left.[/quote]

Agreed, you don’t see much on this topic. I recall a few articles from the past on different “bicep blitz” type approaches - kind of like the “grow an inch on your biceps in 21 days” type format.

I don’t train clients or anything like that, so I can’t say that what works for me would work for everyone, but here’s my approach during times when biceps are a #1 or #2 priority (I’m guessing there are lots of people who can’t even get their heads around the concept of biceps being a number one priority, but let’s just play make believe.)

  1. Do a dedicated biceps day once every few days, building up over time to as frequently as every-other-day. To me, that means that biceps training takes up about 1/3 or 1/2 of the session for that day.

  2. Do biceps movements as active rest between other exercises on the days you aren’t doing a dedicated biceps session.

As far as movements, rep schemes, etc…

Uggh, I’m horrible at trying to describe what I do because I don’t count reps and I have no idea what I’m going to do until I start.

Typically, I do a shit load of standing alternating DB curls…mostly partials and mostly constant tension stuff. I use different wrist configurations and different types of squeezes and drop-and-catch type reps and the focus is on the exact location of the contraction, the pump, and the squeeze. I do lots of “extended sets” and drop sets and just continue until the contraction quality starts to diminish.

I don’t do any barbell curls because I don’t like my wrists and arms to be locked into one plane.

Then I’ll move to cables and do 1-arm cable curls - again using mostly partials in the mid range but I will play around with other parts of the range. Again, I use a mix of slow reps, more explosive reps, holds, angles, etc.

Then I’ll go to the smith machine and do 1-arm curls with just the bar plus a 10 on each side. Light weight, but I do mostly drop-and-catch reps on this, so the load that the muscle experiences during the “catch” phase is actually much higher because the bar is moving at that point.

At this point, the pump should be pretty skin splitting. I’ll usually go grab the heavier dumbbells after the smith machine work and do lower-rep sets. The biceps are fatigued, but they are so pumped that it makes the heavier weights feel much lighter.

After some heavier work, I’ll probably finish off with even more DB curls, but here I’ll do some “concentration curl” style reps where I focus on the squeeze at the top and basically try to squeeze my bicep until it wants to bust out of my skin.

I’d say that I’ll spend about 30-40 minutes total on biceps during those sessions, without much rest between sets.

And then on non-bicep days, I’ll throw in similar movements between sets of whatever I’m doing, but with even less weight and less intensity - more to just get the blood flowing and let the arms know that they are going to need to do something every day.

Oh, and I also do tons of pullups - not within any kind of set schedule but just sprinkled around everywhere in my sessions throughout the week. I’m sure this helps a little, but honestly I’m so focused on my lats when I do pullups that whatever impact it has on biceps is probably minimal.

I was born lanky and played volleyball and tennis, so lanky is my natural build. But when most people see me in person, the first thing they comment on is my arms, so I think something is working.

One last thing I’d add is that if you want to focus on biceps, you might as well focus on front and lateral delts as well, because from a visual standpoint it really pays to develop both.

[quote]GetitUp wrote:
… 200lbs and my arms arent big either.[/quote]
You were 198 and trying to drop some fat three months ago, so they’ve actually had no reason to grow.

Keep your goals your goals, and make sure all of your actions are aligned with them. If you’re still doing 5/3/1, you can easily include some (smart) bi and tri work. Curls are even one of the “approved Wendler 6” accessory lifts, so take some comfort in that. :wink:

[quote]Lo Rez wrote:
Obviously not asking you to spoon feed here, but could you give an example of a starting point for what a sensible “arms workout” would look like?

So, I agree with needing to change your mindset, but there hasn’t been much to reference as examples. At least not in the past couple years I’ve been on this site, since a number of the more “size” focused lifters left.[/quote]
Serge just put up a ton of great info, so I’ll just tack on a few fairly-recent relevant articles:
http://www.T-Nation.com/training/return-of-direct-arm-training

http://www.T-Nation.com/training/7-day-biceps-cure

If you are new to arm training, the focus should be on:

  1. Developing MMC. The pump you get should be a result of squeezing/ contracting the target muscle hard to move the weight. It should not just be a result of doing multiple dropsets or high reps without regard for making the target muscle move the weight. People who don’t get this are the ones that will tell you the pump is useless.

  2. Load progression. Arms, like any other muscle, need progressive resistance to adapt and grow. At this stage, it is recommended you use the weight lifted as a medium to quantify progress while developing MMC. Have at least 1 exercise where you try to lift heavier every week.

Light weights vs heavy weights:

Do not purposefully use light weights. Use the weight YOU CAN LIFT while maintaining focus on the muscle. If you can only use 10lbs so be it. If you can use 60lbs, use it.