It’s funny, because in reality the argument is over. There are still people talking about how his grandmother allegedly claimed to bear witness to his birth in Kenya, etc.
Well, obviously that shit isn’t true, right? So…our president is American. Sorry to anyone who was disappointed by this fact. And it IS fact.
[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
I can’t believe people are still complaining about this after the birth certificate has been produced. Instead of saying “thank you for producing your birth certificate, now we know you’re an American and can put this issue behind us”, people are still contending this whole this is wrapped in conspiracy and STILL aren’t happy.[/quote]
I have mixed feelings about it. While I was never really questioning his place of birth I do wonder why now, out of the blue does he decide to come forward with more information trying to prove his place of birth?
Is it not reasonable to ask, why now? Why didn’t he do this a few years ago?
Perhaps it was just handled badly by his advisors, perhaps there’s more to it. But you’ll have to admit the entire episode is quite odd.
[quote]Null wrote:
The only reason there’s no cards is the right wingers don’t accept facts. Everything is deduction from presumed premises…[/quote]
Yeah, you have a point there. Conservatives should be more reasoned like the far left was during the Bush years. Do you remember the “Bush Derangement Syndrome”? That was the primary disease of the far left. The outbreak started with them screaming about how both President Bush and VP Cheney were growing personal fortunes from the war in Iraq. It continued on with symptoms of charging President Bush with snorting cocaine in the White House. There was even a claim that Bush lowered taxes for just the wealthy, nothing was ever said that it was a 5% tax cut for all Americans. There were many such symptoms which occurred before the actual disease was named. But I don’t expect people like you to remember such things, after all you only deal in facts.
Go away.
[quote]smh23 wrote:
It’s funny, because in reality the argument is over. There are still people talking about how his grandmother allegedly claimed to bear witness to his birth in Kenya, etc.
Well, obviously that shit isn’t true, right? So…our president is American. Sorry to anyone who was disappointed by this fact. And it IS fact.[/quote]
Apparently the discussion was way over your head. The grandmother was brought up to refute the lefties who were throwing the mud.
[quote]smh23 wrote:
It’s funny, because in reality the argument is over. There are still people talking about how his grandmother allegedly claimed to bear witness to his birth in Kenya, etc.
Well, obviously that shit isn’t true, right? So…our president is American. Sorry to anyone who was disappointed by this fact. And it IS fact.[/quote]
I don’t believe anything is really over, this is politics remember. If there can be political gain by continuing to question the issue then there will be further questions. You might be too young to remember when the democrats released GW’s DWI information literally on the eve of the 2000 Presidential election. Dirty politics, or smart move? Eh…he still won. Beyond that the knot head who decided it was a good idea wait until now to release the birth certificate information probably deserves this and more.
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
So what?! Distraction. Now he can join the hallowed halls of the Legit American Murdering Prezidents – just like BUSH, et al.
Who do we bomb next?[/quote]
Your proving Thunderbolt correct in everything that he’s ever said about you. You should stop now.[/quote]
Thudderdolt is a propaganda shill so his opinions carry no weight. Be careful who you side with in these forums.[/quote]
A propaganda shill? What is that supposed to mean? I’ve never seen anything in his posts which would indicate this. I don’t always agree with TB but his posts are always well thought out and to the point. I think you should get some fresh air you spend too much time indoors.
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
I can’t believe people are still complaining about this after the birth certificate has been produced. Instead of saying “thank you for producing your birth certificate, now we know you’re an American and can put this issue behind us”, people are still contending this whole this is wrapped in conspiracy and STILL aren’t happy.[/quote]
I have mixed feelings about it. While I was never really questioning his place of birth I do wonder why now, out of the blue does he decide to come forward with more information trying to prove his place of birth?
Is it not reasonable to ask, why now? Why didn’t he do this a few years ago?
Perhaps it was just handled badly by his advisors, perhaps there’s more to it. But you’ll have to admit the entire episode is quite odd. [/quote]
Politically it may have been handled very well. We all know the right will vote republican, the left will vote democrat. However, to those in the center (the vote that really matters), now all of the republicans who were questioning his birth place appear to be dead wrong and arguing over nothing this whole time. The only thing that matters about this whole thing is how the center perceives it, and, unfortunately, I believe the center is viewing this as the republicans looking a bit silly. Especially if they keep groaning about the whole thing for the next 2 years. The best bet for the republicans is to move on from this issue immediately.
[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
I can’t believe people are still complaining about this after the birth certificate has been produced. Instead of saying “thank you for producing your birth certificate, now we know you’re an American and can put this issue behind us”, people are still contending this whole this is wrapped in conspiracy and STILL aren’t happy.[/quote]
I have mixed feelings about it. While I was never really questioning his place of birth I do wonder why now, out of the blue does he decide to come forward with more information trying to prove his place of birth?
Is it not reasonable to ask, why now? Why didn’t he do this a few years ago?
Perhaps it was just handled badly by his advisors, perhaps there’s more to it. But you’ll have to admit the entire episode is quite odd. [/quote]
Politically it may have been handled very well. We all know the right will vote republican, the left will vote democrat. However, to those in the center (the vote that really matters), now all of the republicans who were questioning his birth place appear to be dead wrong and arguing over nothing this whole time. The only thing that matters about this whole thing is how the center perceives it, and, unfortunately, I believe the center is viewing this as the republicans looking a bit silly. Especially if they keep groaning about the whole thing for the next 2 years. The best bet for the republicans is to move on from this issue immediately.
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And to produce a candidate that never once supported this issue at all.
[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
I can’t believe people are still complaining about this after the birth certificate has been produced. Instead of saying “thank you for producing your birth certificate, now we know you’re an American and can put this issue behind us”, people are still contending this whole this is wrapped in conspiracy and STILL aren’t happy.[/quote]
I have mixed feelings about it. While I was never really questioning his place of birth I do wonder why now, out of the blue does he decide to come forward with more information trying to prove his place of birth?
Is it not reasonable to ask, why now? Why didn’t he do this a few years ago?
Perhaps it was just handled badly by his advisors, perhaps there’s more to it. But you’ll have to admit the entire episode is quite odd. [/quote]
Politically it may have been handled very well. We all know the right will vote republican, the left will vote democrat. However, to those in the center (the vote that really matters), now all of the republicans who were questioning his birth place appear to be dead wrong and arguing over nothing this whole time. The only thing that matters about this whole thing is how the center perceives it, and, unfortunately, I believe the center is viewing this as the republicans looking a bit silly. Especially if they keep groaning about the whole thing for the next 2 years. The best bet for the republicans is to move on from this issue immediately.
[/quote]
It may have been handled well politically, or not. I think time will tell. If the proper information was being held back for political gain I don’t see that happening by the release coming now. As we both know there will be a thousands “important” story’s which will be front and center before the 2012 election. This birth certificate issue will be dead and buried by then. I think Obama realized that not releasing the certificate could have been a huge liability come election time. There were enough people on the every side of the political spectrum that were starting to wonder after Trump made it an issue.
But, yeah I hope we can all move on there some very serious issues that Obama has mishandled which need to be front and center.
[quote]John S. wrote:
[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
I can’t believe people are still complaining about this after the birth certificate has been produced. Instead of saying “thank you for producing your birth certificate, now we know you’re an American and can put this issue behind us”, people are still contending this whole this is wrapped in conspiracy and STILL aren’t happy.[/quote]
I have mixed feelings about it. While I was never really questioning his place of birth I do wonder why now, out of the blue does he decide to come forward with more information trying to prove his place of birth?
Is it not reasonable to ask, why now? Why didn’t he do this a few years ago?
Perhaps it was just handled badly by his advisors, perhaps there’s more to it. But you’ll have to admit the entire episode is quite odd. [/quote]
Politically it may have been handled very well. We all know the right will vote republican, the left will vote democrat. However, to those in the center (the vote that really matters), now all of the republicans who were questioning his birth place appear to be dead wrong and arguing over nothing this whole time. The only thing that matters about this whole thing is how the center perceives it, and, unfortunately, I believe the center is viewing this as the republicans looking a bit silly. Especially if they keep groaning about the whole thing for the next 2 years. The best bet for the republicans is to move on from this issue immediately.
[/quote]
And to produce a candidate that never once supported this issue at all.[/quote]
Agreed.
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
I can’t believe people are still complaining about this after the birth certificate has been produced. Instead of saying “thank you for producing your birth certificate, now we know you’re an American and can put this issue behind us”, people are still contending this whole this is wrapped in conspiracy and STILL aren’t happy.[/quote]
I have mixed feelings about it. While I was never really questioning his place of birth I do wonder why now, out of the blue does he decide to come forward with more information trying to prove his place of birth?
Is it not reasonable to ask, why now? Why didn’t he do this a few years ago?
Perhaps it was just handled badly by his advisors, perhaps there’s more to it. But you’ll have to admit the entire episode is quite odd. [/quote]
Politically it may have been handled very well. We all know the right will vote republican, the left will vote democrat. However, to those in the center (the vote that really matters), now all of the republicans who were questioning his birth place appear to be dead wrong and arguing over nothing this whole time. The only thing that matters about this whole thing is how the center perceives it, and, unfortunately, I believe the center is viewing this as the republicans looking a bit silly. Especially if they keep groaning about the whole thing for the next 2 years. The best bet for the republicans is to move on from this issue immediately.
[/quote]
It may have been handled well politically, or not. I think time will tell. If the proper information was being held back for political gain I don’t see that happening by the release coming now. As we both know there will be a thousands “important” story’s which will be front and center before the 2012 election. This birth certificate issue will be dead and buried by then. I think Obama realized that not releasing the certificate could have been a huge liability come election time. There were enough people on the every side of the political spectrum that were starting to wonder after Trump made it an issue.
But, yeah I hope we can all move on there some very serious issues that Obama has mishandled which need to be front and center.[/quote]
Agreed.
Why was several million spent to conceal not just this, but all other records?
Here is some right wing loony text for you to consider:
…passport records, kindergarten records, Punahou school records, Occidental College records, Columbia University records, Columbia thesis, Harvard Law School records, Harvard Law Review articles, University of Chicago articles, Illinois State Bar Association records, Illinois State Senate records and schedules, medical records, Obama/Dunham marriage license, Obama/Dunham divorce documents, Soetoro/Dunham marriage license and adoption records.
I believe he was born in HI, however something else is wrong.
It could lead to more releases of documents…just as Nixon did in Watergate…which then led to the avalanche.
If in fact Obama had “Dual Citizenship”…then it could potentially prove he is not qualified to be president based on the constitution which does not allow for dual citizenship to qualify.
I don’t think it makes birthers look stupid because the money and litigation spent to conceal most all of his past was what was driving the issue, …if nothing to hide, then why the lock and key to his youth and college upbringing?? It is not just the birth certificate.
There are also people calling it a forgery w PDF layers in the scanned doc…I’m no expert on it though.
[quote]Rockscar wrote:
There are also people calling it a forgery w PDF layers in the scanned doc…I’m no expert on it though.
Its clear that a square document was photocopied on to the green patterned paper. You can draw 4 lines around the interior document. Its also clear that it was lined up very carefully with the host paper.
My assumption is that this is just the way they copied it from the original book though. Its not like they are hiding that a page is being copied with a green background added.
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
I’m gonna be laughing when he gets another four years, even though you nutjobs here do your best to convince people he’s the antichrist.
[/quote]
Not at all the antichrist, just a far left politician whose views are out of step with mainstream America which (according to polls) veers center right and always has.
[/quote]
Zeb, as usual you’re just blatantly making things up.
It’s only the past ten years or so that the country could be said to have become more to the right, although honestly I don’t think its really much further to the right, its just the extreme right is louder now.
You hillbillies are still right wingers, but the cities still vote Democrat consistently… and as usual the flyover states have all got to be dragged kicking and screaming into the future… it’s pretty much the same as it ever was.
Either way, you’ve built a strawman, so save your line by line retort bullshit because that’s not what the thread is about.
[quote]John S. wrote:
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
I’m not questioning or wondering about Eisenhower. I’m just saying that the circumstances weren’t the same.
Go back to the rooting for Ron Paul thread. I’m sure he’s got it locked up this time.[/quote]
You become that professional boxer yet? or you still waiting to have a match?[/quote]
I’ve never aspired to be a professional boxer. Not sure what this has to do with anything… are you relating my boxing to your dream of having Ron Paul be president as an example of childish dreams that will never come true?
Because if you are, I’d suggest you move past yours because I’ve got… you know, a career and all outside of fighting.
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
I’m gonna be laughing when he gets another four years, even though you nutjobs here do your best to convince people he’s the antichrist.
[/quote]
Not at all the antichrist, just a far left politician whose views are out of step with mainstream America which (according to polls) veers center right and always has.
[/quote]
Zeb, as usual you’re just blatantly making things up.
It’s only the past ten years or so that the country could be said to have become more to the right, although honestly I don’t think its really much further to the right, its just the extreme right is louder now.
[/quote]
Past 10 years? Take away Ford pardoning Nixon, and Perot giving it to Clinton the first time, and maybe the second over a terrible candidate in Dole. We could have easily had 40 straight years of Republican presidents.
40% today call themselves conservative and only about 20% call themselves liberal I believe. I think its 40 conservative, 30 moderate, 20 liberal and about 10 progressive.
The main reason that we have not had a total republican domination for the last 50 years is because Republicans will vote against Republicans if they think they have become corrupted. Republicans will go for a loser 3rd party guy if they feel he is the best choice.
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
I applied for a new passport, I was required to bring my birth certificate to show I was a citizen, fucking racists.
Fucking Cretins.
Goddam you birthers, how dare you make me prove that I am who I am, and all I wanted was a fucking new passport, not even running for president even.
Fuck you Visa, every time I use you, you card me, making me prove that I am who I claim to be.
Fucking cops, you pulled me over giving me a bullshit speeding ticket, and you DARE to presume that I am not an American? When my first name is Massimo? And my middle name has 27 letters in it?
If I wasn’t a fair skinned Italian guy, this would have NEVER happened.
Racists all of you !!![/quote]
Yeah but you could get that passport with the short form so sorry!
[quote]mertdawg wrote:
Past 10 years? Take away Ford pardoning Nixon, and Perot giving it to Clinton the first time, and maybe the second over a terrible candidate in Dole. We could have easily had 40 straight years of Republican presidents.
40% today call themselves conservative and only about 20% call themselves liberal I believe. I think its 40 conservative, 30 moderate, 20 liberal and about 10 progressive.
The main reason that we have not had a total republican domination for the last 50 years is because Republicans will vote against Republicans if they think they have become corrupted. Republicans will go for a loser 3rd party guy if they feel he is the best choice. [/quote]
Bwahahahaha. That’s your argument? If republicans hadn’t lost those elections, they’d have won? And it’s because of Republicans’ own moral compasses- that’s why Democrats win?
Good argument I guess. You’re like a steel trap, I sure hope you stay on this board and make more sane, valid arguments.
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
Zeb, as usual you’re just blatantly making things up.[/quote]
I’ve made up nothing. All you have to do is do some googling. There have been a couple liberals
elected to the Presidency, Jimmy Carter because no one wanted a Nixon appointed Ford to stay in office. And then of course Obama after 8 years of Bush I think the people wanted what is it called? Oh yeah…change. By the way it’s a shame they didn’t get the sort of change that could have helped them.
but over all most are center right as is the country.
What evidence do you have to further this allegation? What you are saying in essence is that When Reagan was elected to two terms the country was center left? Come on Irish even you know better than that. The country has been center right for many decades. It’s a tribute to Obama’s personal charisma, his brilliant campaign and an overly friendly media, and a very poor Opponent in John McCain that he was elected to begin with.
The future of big government, higher taxes and run away deficits? That’s a future they’re going to have to drag me kicking and screaming into. If you want to have your eyes opened take a look at the blue states that have been governed by you big city liberals for decades. I submit for your analysis two examples; New York and California. The democrats are clueless on how to govern when there are no republicans to contain them
Too late,you made it an issue by calling me out on the fact that the country is center right. You’re wrong simple. And the line by line “bullshit” was needed to point out exactly how wrong you are. I hope none of it is confusing to you.
[quote]Jewbacca wrote:
[quote]smh23 wrote:
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
I applied for a new passport, I was required to bring my birth certificate to show I was a citizen, fucking racists.[/quote]
So did I. And I used my short form. Which Obama already submitted.[/quote]
Timely comment because Obama’s State Department has just issued a requirement to fill out an amazingly intrusive form if you don’t produce your long form birth certificate for a passport — reason being it is easy for non-natives to get a short form birth certificate if they claim they were born at home, etc.
Here:
http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninscared/2011/04/state_department_passport_application.php
Questions include things like “were you circumcised near birth?”
I guess that so they can put a Big Red “J” on your Passport like those other socialist did 60 years ago.[/quote]
See that form would be fine for most countries where people normally get a passport for young children but given how many Americans don’t bother getting a passport until later life it would be a nightmare. Imagine trying to sort that out as an adult after your parents had passed away, you wouldn’t stand a chance.
I would only know the answers to most of those questions by phoning my Mum.