'Birthers.' It Ain't Over, I'm Sure

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[quote]MaximusB wrote:
I think this hurts Obama…

He showed he was willing to cave, under the right circumstances, which was a USA Today poll released yesterday, showing a significant number of people still doubt his being born in the US.

I also think this helps Trump, although I doubt he will actually run. But what Obama showed today, was his willingness to jump when provoked.

Something I really like about Trump, he speaks off the cuff, he lacks the political correctness but does so eloquently. What he is showing is true balls. [/quote]

True balls? The guy is a moron when it comes to politics and a blowhard when it comes to talking.

He’s been a joke for years, and I could only hope that the GOP saw fit to put him up as candidate.

Get ron paul to be his VP and we’ll take both out at the same time, finally.

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[quote]Jewbacca wrote:

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:

The fact that you guys are finally proven wrong on this ridiculousness is just another victory, and it makes the lower end of the party (you guys) look like bigger idiots.

[/quote]

Actually, I’ve never been a birther. As noted in my very first post on this thead, I consider Trump a self-promoting fool.

I guess your reading comprehension sucks.[/quote]

LOL @ “another victory”.
the flow of the discussion is rather typical - play the race card, fail, call the opponents “racistrightwingnutidiots”.
Can never tell if it’s just pointless trolling or obama nuthuggers are really that stupid.

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[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:

That certificate of live birth is worth FAR more than anything Eisenhower produced at anytime.

The fact that you guys are finally proven wrong on this ridiculousness is just another victory, and it makes the lower end of the party (you guys) look like bigger idiots.

Fine with me.[/quote]

A certificate of live birth can be issued without him being born in the states. It isn’t proof.

But I’m glad you are acknowledging that up till now he hasn’t provided proof though.

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[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
This would have NEVER, NEVER happened to a white president named Mike Smith, even if he was from Hawaii.

This just proves that the inherent racism of the far right is still nothing but bullshit.[/quote]

Thanks for chiming in with your pathetic race card defense of president douchebag. If you honestly think the birth certificate issue is about race, then you have the collective intelligence of a bucket of mule piss.

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[quote]smh23 wrote:
You people that are somehow trying to make this reflect badly on Obama are genuine cretins.

The president released his short form certificate of live birth… Then a bunch of extremely stupid people who aren’t smart enough to debate policy issues kept whining about his long-form birth certificate. Obama tried not to concede to these fucking clowns–why would he? He is the President of the United States and he proved he was born in Hawaii.

Do you understand that? HE FUCKING PROVED IT. If Romney or McCain or any white person had been president and they had shown their short form, that would’ve been enough for the rabid mouthbreathers. But when the black guy proves he is American, it must be some sort of forgery.

So, Obama was trying to rise above it. Then you gullible clowns, at the behest of one of the least respectable public figures in modern America, pushed this non-issue to the point that it became a national distraction.

Then, you were fucking wrong. As expected. And somehow in this clusterfuck of bigotry, demagoguery, and idiocy, the guy who was right all along is the bad guy?

Give it a fucking rest. Disagree with his politics…that’s fine. But know this: these ridiculous ordeals that you keep engineering are going to do nothing but hurt you. Posterity will rightly paint them as circus acts, and you people are the painted ringleaders.
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You can be assured the same thing would happen to any candidate that didn’t sufficiently provide proof of his origins, while having a good chance of being born elsewhere and sealing up all his records.

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Really Irish you are wondering why people didn’t question 5 star general and American hero Dwight D. Eisenhower. You are playing the race card on this one really? You can’t be this fucking stupid, I mean I know you are from Jersey so I shouldn’t expect too much but come the fuck on.

By the way I never once questioned his birth and thought the whole thing was fucking stupid.

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[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:

That certificate of live birth is worth FAR more than anything Eisenhower produced at anytime.

The fact that you guys are finally proven wrong on this ridiculousness is just another victory, and it makes the lower end of the party (you guys) look like bigger idiots.

Fine with me.[/quote]

A certificate of live birth can be issued without him being born in the states. It isn’t proof.
[/quote]

Not when it says “CITY OF BIRTH: HONOLULU” you fucking cretin.

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[quote]ReignIB wrote:

[quote]Jewbacca wrote:

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:

The fact that you guys are finally proven wrong on this ridiculousness is just another victory, and it makes the lower end of the party (you guys) look like bigger idiots.

[/quote]

Actually, I’ve never been a birther. As noted in my very first post on this thead, I consider Trump a self-promoting fool.

I guess your reading comprehension sucks.[/quote]

LOL @ “another victory”.
the flow of the discussion is rather typical - play the race card, fail, call the opponents “racistrightwingnutidiots”.
Can never tell if it’s just pointless trolling or obama nuthuggers are really that stupid.

[/quote]

I’m gonna be laughing when he gets another four years, even though you nutjobs here do your best to convince people he’s the antichrist.

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[quote]John S. wrote:
Really Irish you are wondering why people didn’t question 5 star general and American hero Dwight D. Eisenhower. You are playing the race card on this one really? You can’t be this fucking stupid, I mean I know you are from Jersey so I shouldn’t expect too much but come the fuck on.
[/quote]

I’m not questioning or wondering about Eisenhower. I’m just saying that the circumstances weren’t the same.

Go back to the rooting for Ron Paul thread. I’m sure he’s got it locked up this time.

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[quote]smh23 wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:

That certificate of live birth is worth FAR more than anything Eisenhower produced at anytime.

The fact that you guys are finally proven wrong on this ridiculousness is just another victory, and it makes the lower end of the party (you guys) look like bigger idiots.

Fine with me.[/quote]

A certificate of live birth can be issued without him being born in the states. It isn’t proof.
[/quote]

Not when it says “CITY OF BIRTH: HONOLULU” you fucking cretin.[/quote]

hahah.

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[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]bigflamer wrote:

[quote]MaximusB wrote:
Why now? Why did they release it NOW? What did the Donald do to provoke them to do this?[/quote]

The timing of this will be called into question as the 2012 presidential elections gear up. I’m with you, why in the hell is right now a good time for this, he had plenty of time to put this issue to bed; why now?
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Some states have been pushing legislation that requires better proof of birth in order to be on the ballot. That may be part of the reason. I still can’t figure out why he didn’t release his certificate during the campaign though if he had one.[/quote]

It will look bad if those states back down on that legislation now. I personally believe that given a constitutional qualification, there should be a mechanism to confirm that the constitutional requirement is met.

On the other hand, a military officer can not refure orders. If the legislature and judicial don’t contest the qualifications then the person is in fact president. The recourse for an ineligible president would be the supreme court or legislature to refuse to recognize someone as president-though the states can have whatever requirement of proof they want for their election as we have 51 separate presidential elections in the USA.

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[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]smh23 wrote:
You people that are somehow trying to make this reflect badly on Obama are genuine cretins.

The president released his short form certificate of live birth… Then a bunch of extremely stupid people who aren’t smart enough to debate policy issues kept whining about his long-form birth certificate. Obama tried not to concede to these fucking clowns–why would he? He is the President of the United States and he proved he was born in Hawaii.

Do you understand that? HE FUCKING PROVED IT. If Romney or McCain or any white person had been president and they had shown their short form, that would’ve been enough for the rabid mouthbreathers. But when the black guy proves he is American, it must be some sort of forgery.

So, Obama was trying to rise above it. Then you gullible clowns, at the behest of one of the least respectable public figures in modern America, pushed this non-issue to the point that it became a national distraction.

Then, you were fucking wrong. As expected. And somehow in this clusterfuck of bigotry, demagoguery, and idiocy, the guy who was right all along is the bad guy?

Give it a fucking rest. Disagree with his politics…that’s fine. But know this: these ridiculous ordeals that you keep engineering are going to do nothing but hurt you. Posterity will rightly paint them as circus acts, and you people are the painted ringleaders.
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You can be assured the same thing would happen to any candidate that didn’t sufficiently provide proof of his origins, while having a good chance of being born elsewhere and sealing up all his records.[/quote]

He didn’t have a fucking “good chance of being borne elsewhere” though, did he? There was no chance he was born elsewhere. Because he wasn’t.

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[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]LankyMofo wrote:

[quote]UtahLama wrote:
In my humble opinion, the POTUS should be the single most vetted person in the country.

We should have every piece of information on that person made totally public. Birth certificates, ALL school transcripts, parking tickets, fucking netflix cue.

Christ this is the most powerful person on earth…everything should be transparent.

How can anybody argue with that??[/quote]

Disagree completely. Next thing you know we’re requiring the same of the VP, S of T, etc. etc. 30 years from now we’re requiring all CEOs of big businesses.

There are plenty of powerful people in the world, it’s a slippery slope and releasing all private information is not something I’d endorse.[/quote]

You don’t think that the public should have access to things like his medical and school records?[/quote]

Not by law. We can ask for it, and we can ask why he won’t show it as an election issue.

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[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:

[quote]John S. wrote:
Really Irish you are wondering why people didn’t question 5 star general and American hero Dwight D. Eisenhower. You are playing the race card on this one really? You can’t be this fucking stupid, I mean I know you are from Jersey so I shouldn’t expect too much but come the fuck on.
[/quote]

I’m not questioning or wondering about Eisenhower. I’m just saying that the circumstances weren’t the same.

Go back to the rooting for Ron Paul thread. I’m sure he’s got it locked up this time.[/quote]

You become that professional boxer yet? or you still waiting to have a match?

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[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:

That certificate of live birth is worth FAR more than anything Eisenhower produced at anytime.

The fact that you guys are finally proven wrong on this ridiculousness is just another victory, and it makes the lower end of the party (you guys) look like bigger idiots.

Fine with me.[/quote]

A certificate of live birth can be issued without him being born in the states. [/quote]

I know its true, but WHY? You know someone was born SOMEWHERE.

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[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
I’m gonna be laughing when he gets another four years, even though you nutjobs here do your best to convince people he’s the antichrist.[/quote]

He just might get another four years, I mean, we were shit stupid enough to elect Bush for a second term, right? Let me ask you this; if I was applying for an EMT job, should I have the right to not show my actual current license? Being a natural born US citizen is a requirement for the office of the president, get over it.

How terribly racist it is for me to ask a black man to comply with the requirements of the job, just like his white counterpart did. /sarcasm

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[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:

[quote]ReignIB wrote:

[quote]Jewbacca wrote:

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:

The fact that you guys are finally proven wrong on this ridiculousness is just another victory, and it makes the lower end of the party (you guys) look like bigger idiots.

[/quote]

Actually, I’ve never been a birther. As noted in my very first post on this thead, I consider Trump a self-promoting fool.

I guess your reading comprehension sucks.[/quote]

LOL @ “another victory”.
the flow of the discussion is rather typical - play the race card, fail, call the opponents “racistrightwingnutidiots”.
Can never tell if it’s just pointless trolling or obama nuthuggers are really that stupid.

[/quote]

I’m gonna be laughing when he gets another four years…

[/quote]

is he on trial? missed that. racist cops must’ve set him up!
FREE OBAMA!

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[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:

[quote]smh23 wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:

That certificate of live birth is worth FAR more than anything Eisenhower produced at anytime.

The fact that you guys are finally proven wrong on this ridiculousness is just another victory, and it makes the lower end of the party (you guys) look like bigger idiots.

Fine with me.[/quote]

A certificate of live birth can be issued without him being born in the states. It isn’t proof.
[/quote]

Not when it says “CITY OF BIRTH: HONOLULU” you fucking cretin.[/quote]

hahah.[/quote]

A short form certificate of live birth could be issued in hawai in 1961 for an un-attended birth. All that was necessary to get one is a baby and for the parent to claim that’s where they were born.

It is not proof. The long form has things like hospital and doctor signatures that is actual evidence of his birth there. Which is why the long form has been demanded by so many.

The short form is not proof he was born there. Idiots.

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[quote]smh23 wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]smh23 wrote:
You people that are somehow trying to make this reflect badly on Obama are genuine cretins.

The president released his short form certificate of live birth… Then a bunch of extremely stupid people who aren’t smart enough to debate policy issues kept whining about his long-form birth certificate. Obama tried not to concede to these fucking clowns–why would he? He is the President of the United States and he proved he was born in Hawaii.

Do you understand that? HE FUCKING PROVED IT. If Romney or McCain or any white person had been president and they had shown their short form, that would’ve been enough for the rabid mouthbreathers. But when the black guy proves he is American, it must be some sort of forgery.

So, Obama was trying to rise above it. Then you gullible clowns, at the behest of one of the least respectable public figures in modern America, pushed this non-issue to the point that it became a national distraction.

Then, you were fucking wrong. As expected. And somehow in this clusterfuck of bigotry, demagoguery, and idiocy, the guy who was right all along is the bad guy?

Give it a fucking rest. Disagree with his politics…that’s fine. But know this: these ridiculous ordeals that you keep engineering are going to do nothing but hurt you. Posterity will rightly paint them as circus acts, and you people are the painted ringleaders.
[/quote]

You can be assured the same thing would happen to any candidate that didn’t sufficiently provide proof of his origins, while having a good chance of being born elsewhere and sealing up all his records.[/quote]

He didn’t have a fucking “good chance of being borne elsewhere” though, did he? There was no chance he was born elsewhere. Because he wasn’t.[/quote]

Family members claiming it. Having non-American parents. Yes, he did, but it doesn’t matter because it is his responsibility to prove it, which he hasn’t done till now.

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Just let this issue fucking die already. Let’s aim our attention at the Fed press conference today. Lets look at the fact the bond market is closing early today.