To TC, Tim, Cy, any of the Biotest-affiliated guys:
With so many other supplement companies selling various types of prohormones, pro-steroids and other chemicals whose classification I have no way of knowing (some marketed as aromatase inhibitors, T-boosters, estrogen reducers, etc.), does Biotest have any intention of ever making any such products?
With the initial ban on prohormones it seems like, once you stopped making Androsol and Nandrosol, that was it. Any interest in going down that route (with what is legal) today?
[quote]Damici wrote:
To TC, Tim, Cy, any of the Biotest-affiliated guys:
With so many other supplement companies selling various types of prohormones, pro-steroids and other chemicals whose classification I have no way of knowing (some marketed as aromatase inhibitors, T-boosters, estrogen reducers, etc.), does Biotest have any intention of ever making any such products?
With the initial ban on prohormones it seems like, once you stopped making Androsol and Nandrosol, that was it. Any interest in going down that route (with what is legal) today?
No, it’s not. I was talking about prohormones and pro-steroids.
[quote]five-twelve wrote:
Damici wrote:
To TC, Tim, Cy, any of the Biotest-affiliated guys:
With so many other supplement companies selling various types of prohormones, pro-steroids and other chemicals whose classification I have no way of knowing (some marketed as aromatase inhibitors, T-boosters, estrogen reducers, etc.), does Biotest have any intention of ever making any such products?
With the initial ban on prohormones it seems like, once you stopped making Androsol and Nandrosol, that was it. Any interest in going down that route (with what is legal) today?
I think and hope the hell NOT. Put out a designer steroid with little to no knowledge or testing done on safety etc.
Also I really dont think they Biotest could if they would the time they seem to put into perfecting what they produce these questionable product are on the shelf long enouhg for these companies to make some quick cash and then they get classified as steroids as well by the time Biotest had made what they felt was an effective and safe product the damn thing would be illegal.
That is if they found one of these to be safe and yet effective.
Prohormones do not work and pro steroids are illegal. Simple as that.
Biotest probably had the best product on the market when they made MAG-10, but because of the ban it is no longer available. Too bad it was a great product.
Biotest led the way a few years ago with their line up of prosteroids.
When the ban took effect - that was the end of prohormones/prosteroids. Anything you buy today is a cheap copy, or an untested, possibly unhealthy attempt at circumventing the law.
I, for one, applaud Biotest’s integerity in not trying to flood the market with crap. If the ban is ever lifted (hey - they put lights up at Wrigley Field), I hope to see MAG-10 and 4-AD-EC back up in the store.
Well, Anaconda’s the closest thing. Yet, it’s not a prosteroid yet supposed to provide MAG-10-like gains. I don’t really understand it but hopefully will someday. Or maybe it’s impossible. And that’s why it’s taking so long to ‘perfect’.
I’m not suggested Biotest should put out some untested, unproven, possibly unhealthy crap like all the other companies are doing. Being Biotest, if they did decide to put out something of this type, I would expect it to be fully and carefully researched, tested, etc. for both safety and efficacy.
That’s why the idea of Biotest going that route would intrigue me, because I know they’d likely do it right.
The difficulty with this project – and the illegality of compounds now being sold by some companies – is that the Controlled Substances Act defines as an anabolic steroid, and makes a controlled substance, any substance which is chemically and pharmacologically related to testosterone and increases or is purported or advertised to increase muscle mass.
And, all the prohormones and prosteroids are indefensible as being anything but chemically and pharmacologically “related” to testosterone. For sure they are related and the government would have no shortage of expert witnesses to that effect.
There are some people doing a bizarre (IMO and that of two lawyers I have consulted) interpretation of that law with regard to the fact that it then goes on to say, “and includes…,” naming many steroids. They claim that that means “and only includes.” Of course it does not mean that: it means here are some examples but not necessarily exhaustive.
The only way we will be doing this is if we can do it wherein the compound can genuinely be said to not be chemically and pharmacologically related to testosterone, plus as Damici said, proven safe and good to use, unlike many of the recent products which should never have reached market. It would probably have to be naturally occurring, too, else we don’t have DSHEA on our side.
I actually do have something that may reasonably fit these parameters but it will be months of testing before it will possible to be sure of quality and safety.
I actually do have something that may reasonably fit these parameters but it will be months of testing before it will possible to be sure of quality and safety.[/quote]
Aaargh you tease!
You can test it on me all you want. Just send me a sample.
What’s all the fascination with Pro-hormones and Pro-steroids? Why not just take steroids? It seems like the negative side effects are about the same, and at least with steroids, you know what you’re getting into.
I personally like the way of muscle building supplements going the opposite direction of Pro-hormones and Pro-steroids, like Carbolin 19 for example. That stuff works over time, it just doesn’t feel like anything, if you’re a person who judges a products effectiveness on feel.
Anyway, I’d welcome more products like Alpha Male and Carbolin 19 that are safe and benefitial.
