Biology of Race

[therajraj]

Anyways this is the last time I am going to post this, if you don’t care to clarify fine

Biology of Race

That is not at all what we are saying. I am certainly not.

[thunderbolt23]

@therajraj

That’s the joke

No, the joke is you trying to gig him for using the wrong word when you’re the one using the wrong word.

It ruins the fun when I have to explain it to you.

[Basement_Gainz]

@thunderbolt23

It ruins the fun

Raj’s entire purpose in life. Right there.

[anon50325502]

@Aragorn

@therajraj

Have you already forgotten that you agreed with the statement that ethnic brains are different?

You like to make up things on whatever whim you desire. You also like to misread the links you post, and pretend to be an expert in fields where you can’t explain basic research.

Your opinions about what I should or should not believe mean exactly dick, as does your opinion on you think I did or did not say.

Also, in particular, I enjoyed the completely loony post in the “Pharma” thread where you said [quote=“therajraj, post:137, topic:229191”]
Surely if epigenetics is so magical a long-term study demonstrating that exercise and diet aren’t completely useless in fighting obesity would have been produced by now?

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Pretty increbile, right? On a bodybuilding site no less.

[therajraj]

@anon50325502

@Aragorn

@therajraj

Have you already forgotten that you agreed with the statement that ethnic brains are different?

You like to make up things on whatever whim you desire. You also like to misread the links you post, and pretend to be an expert in fields where you can’t explain basic research.

Your opinions about what I should or should not believe mean exactly dick, as does your opinion on you think I did or did not say.

Also, in particular, I enjoyed the completely loony post in the “Pharma” thread where you said [quote=“therajraj, post:137, topic:229191”]
Surely if epigenetics is so magical a long-term study demonstrating that exercise and diet aren’t completely useless in fighting obesity would have been produced by now?

Pretty increbile, right? On a bodybuilding site no less.
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Facts are facts.

People who make long lasting changes are exceptional

[anon50325502]

Average obesity in the US has nearly tripled over the last 20 years, but it’s genetics

This level of trolling isn’t even really worth a response.

[therajraj]

@anon50325502

Average obesity in the US has nearly tripled over the last 20 years, but it’s genetics

This level of trolling isn’t even really worth a response.

Read the analysis posted in this thread otherwise it’s you who are trolling

[anon50325502]

@therajraj

@anon50325502

Average obesity in the US has nearly tripled over the last 20 years, but it’s genetics

This level of trolling isn’t even really worth a response.

Read the analysis posted in this thread otherwise it’s you who are trolling

God, you really are a good

[anon50325502]

Hope you aren’t talking about this one:

[Aragorn]

@therajraj

Facts are facts.

People who make long lasting changes are exceptional

“facts”

Let’s not even go into the science that blatently shows you are wrong.

Instead, I’ll just point out that your comment–

@therajraj

People who make long lasting changes are exceptional

Has absolutely zero basis in genetics. Of course people who make big changes are exceptional…and of all races. So genetics…not so much.

[therajraj]

Dear @Aragorn I was under the impression you were a science guy and that I would be able to get you to agree to some degree with my stance. Since you haven’t walked back your statement of ethnic brains I am correct but to a much lesser extent than I expected.

From the beginning of thread you have engaged in moralistic fallacy (see your shrieking over physical correlates to iq) the moment you are presented with an uncomfortable scientific conclusion. I think you also called me a white supremacist when I made a list of known racial differences.

The thing is if You define yourself as a science guy and you are willing to ignore uncomfortable facts here, what else are you willing to let slide in your day to day work?

Moralistic fallacy

In the long run if the country demographics continue to change, science and innovation will not continue as it has in America. IQ of incoming averaging somewhere in 80s replacing a population that averages a triple digit IQ Means the end of many institutions in their current form as we know it.

[therajraj]

@Aragorn

@therajraj

Facts are facts.

People who make long lasting changes are exceptional

“facts”

Let’s not even go into the science that blatently shows you are wrong.

Instead, I’ll just point out that your comment–

@therajraj

People who make long lasting changes are exceptional

Has absolutely zero basis in genetics. Of course people who make big changes are exceptional…and of all races. So genetics…not so much.

You can read the analysis in the other thread it is written by someone with a scientific background.

[therajraj]

Ineffectiveness of obesity treatments
Obesity is very difficult to impossible to treat. The most common prescription, and indeed the prevailing conventional wisdom, is that “lifestyle” changes are the best solution. This typically means diet and exercise. However, this has been extensively studied. Across the population, diet and exercise, each individually and in tandem, are completely useless to treat obesity, in the long term.

In the case of exercise, randomized controlled trials (RCTs) don’t even show a short-term benefit. One 2007 meta analysis by Franz et al looked at the results of all sorts of different interventions. For exercise-alone prescriptions, it found that the treatment groups lost no weight at 6 months (well, less than 2 kgs, but even this number comes only when you look at those who remained in the study). Indeed, after a year, the control groups actually lost more weight than the treatment groups. The total weight change was small and close to zero throughout.

In the case of diets, particularly the most common low-fat and low-calorie diets, a very large meta-analysis of RCTs with a combined N > 60,000 (of which ~48,000 came from a single mammoth trial) and a study duration of 2.5 – 10 years, found that diet was completely ineffective for weight loss. The subjects showed no aggregate permanent weight loss at the end of the study period. The largest of these studies, the one by Howard et al (2006) found little change, a total loss (over 3 years) of less than 1 kg (and a difference between control and treatment groups of 1.29 kg, favoring treatment).

As for diet and exercise combined, several studies in both previous meta-analyses look at trials which tested both together. The result was the same: little to no significant aggregate weight loss, especially after longer periods of time.

This is true of low-carbohydrate diets as well. One meta-analysis looked at RCTs. Each of the trials were individually small (n = 11 – 153), but all told there were 712 subjects in the low-carb trials. The duration of studies ranged from 12 to 24 months. The total average weight lost with the low-carb diet groups was on the order of 4 kg! And that’s with considerable attrition in the studies. Low-carb diets don’t work much better, either.

A new randomized comparison trial (Bazzano et al, 2014) of a low-carb vs a low-fat diet (N = 148) found only a weight loss of 5.3 kg after 1 year with the low-carb diet, but only 1.2% change in body fat percentage.

Obesity Facts

[therajraj]

Randomized controlled trials are necessary to judge the efficacy of obesity treatments, especially when crafting broad prescriptions for treatment. *Popular conceptions of weight-loss – even in the minds of medical professionals – are biased by odd examples of individuals with impressive short-term weight loss or rare individuals who managed to maintain a lowered weight for a long period of time. This is obviously improper, because it ignores the fact that these individuals are exceptional. The efficacy of any treatment, especially one that is to be recommended as a general prescription to treat any condition, needs to be subjected to clinical trials to judge their effect across the population to which the treatment is intended. This is what we do for new drugs.

However, even these have their limits. RCTs of lifestyle modifications are plagued by considerable non-compliance, even for those who remain in the study. This is especially acute towards the later parts of the longer trials. Some commenters correctly point out that this weakens any conclusions we can draw because we don’t know what the results would be if the subjects stuck to the trial.
However, I argue that this point, as technically true as it might be, is ultimately wholly academic. Patient non-compliance is an important part of the study, because these people aren’t going to live their entire lives in a laboratory under tightly controlled conditions; they are going to live their lives in the real-world feeding and exercising at their own accord. If dietary changes and exercise fail thanks to non-compliance – a point which is not at all clear at the moment, mind you – then they are useless as prescriptions to treat obesity en masse. It does no good to give advice that most people can’t stick to, assuming that non-compliance was the point of failure.

[therajraj]

Interview with James Flynn

[thunderbolt23]

Do you have any studies showing the propensity of Indians to be born with and to go through life with absolutely no self-awareness?

[pfury]

Saw this link on FB, and it made me wonder. How long before heavily mixed races outnumber the rest of them?

More Americans Are Marrying People of Other Races Than Ever Before

[Basement_Gainz]

Muts make better dogs and people to. I keep telling the wife we should steer the boys to marry furreners. Get some fresh blood. Lol

[therajraj]

@thunderbolt23

Do you have any studies showing the propensity of Indians to be born with and to go through life with absolutely no self-awareness?

At least we aren’t going extinct.

[therajraj]

Anyone ever read the full title of Darwin’s book? He seems to use that dreaded r word