If the Thomas Sowell video gives the same explanation as “Guns, Germs and Steel” then I think I’ll skip it.
Didn’t take them long to incorporate Greco Roman culture for themselves did it? The Tasmanians had 40,000+ years and didn’t even have fire.
I think an interesting question is
Why did some of the early achievers fizzle out?
China, parts of the Near and Middle East, Inca, Greece, Mayan,
China is the only one that seems to have come back as advanced and probably half of that is stolen or finagled from the West. I’m not saying that civilizations stay on top forever, but some of these descendants are digging roots with a stick nearly.
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"I dislike racists more than ever "
Goes on to applaud presenter of racist policies
obvious hypocrites. Challenge him all you want but why the hell are you applauding him and saying (liking a post) you need more of that idiotic crap
Who? Antiquity?
He already stated he has no opinion and barely posts.
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You’re the same, you’ve basically ignored everything presented on race and iq.
If human geography can influence human behavior so much why can’t it also effect human evolution?
You kinda cherry picked your African architecture there. I’m just going to leave this here. For a long…long time the best the western hemisphere could do as far as architecture, culture, science, math etc… was Egypt (Africa). For most of Egypt’s history Europe was mostly cave people fighting to survive. That all changed with the Greeks and Romans of course.
Europe got ahead for many reasons. Tomes have been written on the subject.
This whole thread reminds me of the scene from Gunga Din where Guru states “India was a mighty nation then while Englishmen dwelt in caves and painted themselves blue.” Europe is awesome. They conquered the world and remade it in their image. But they aren’t the only game in town.
It’s hardly conclusive that Egypt was built by blacks, in fact there’s counter evidence to that claim, see here
@therajraj I will check it out. However, I won’t go forward with any chat here. It dawned upon me this past weekend that discussing this topic, even in non-hateful and peaceful ways, is far too risky in this day and age.
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I was kind of hoping you’d argue that. How similar were the ancient Greeks and Romans to Northern and Western Europeans. If “blacks” can’t claim Ancient Egypt then “whites” can’t really claim Greece and Rome.
So your rebuttal is that Egyptians are middle eastern, not black. Aren’t middle easterners genetically lower IQ? Isn’t your argument that lower IQ people can’t accomplish near as much as high IQ people? How do you explain Egypt and the fertile Crescent?
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Wanting reparations isn’t racist. I’ll slow it down:
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This country committed historical wrongs to blacks
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Blacks deserve a remedy for the wrongs committed
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Some remedies have been put in place, but many believe more remedies are needed to truly achieve justice for the wrongs
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Some people believe reparations are one of those additional remedies because they believe reparations address the larger economic impact of the historical wrongs
Nothing in this line of thinking makes someone a racist. I mean, I understand the (sloppy and predictable) topic to try and criticize non-racists as racists to taken the glaring light of your loathesome views (and to reduce the standard down to “hey, everbody’s at least a little racist, so I’m still welcome in polite conversation, right?”), but it’s nonsense.
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Yep, you’ve got to be careful talking about race with liberals. And talking about atheism with conservatives is even riskier.
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I was kind of hoping you’d argue that. How similar were the ancient Greeks and Romans to Northern and Western Europeans.[/quote]
Pretty close, they had light colored eyes and fair skin.
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If “blacks” can’t claim Ancient Egypt then “whites” can’t really claim Greece and Rome. [/quote]
There are different types of “blacks” as there are different types of “whites”
But people who are black are most closely related to other people who are black and the same goes for whites.
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I don’t know the genetic makeup of the ancient Egyptians, there is no consensus on their racial heritage. Some have argued they were African, some have argued they were European heritage. It’s hardly conclusive to say it was Africans.
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on middle easterners, one thing that greatly shrunk their IQ over time was Islam and the widespread of cousin marriage it brought. Inbreeding lowers IQ, especially when it’s gone on for generations. I also wonder the way Islam punishes free thought, how many people with highly intelligent genes were killed for things such as apostasy and so forth.
There’s even theories as to why jews IQs increased over time you can look that it up if you care
Dude!
That’s why I called you brave for posting openly a few weeks ago.
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Wanting reparations isn’t racist. I’ll slow it down:
- This country committed historical wrongs to blacks[/quote]
ok
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2. Blacks deserve a remedy for the wrongs committed[/quote]
Opinion.
No other group of people except for NW Europeans try to remedy for what their ancestors had done, in fact many groups celebrate their victories over others. If it’s morally okay for other groups to celebrate this, then why hold Europeans accountable?
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3. Some remedies have been put in place, but many believe more remedies are needed to truly achieve justice for the wrongs[/quote]
It’s racist because:
Only 5% of whites owned slaves and you’d be punishing all whites when the bulk who had nothing to do with slavery. That potentially includes the millions who immigrated after slavery had ended. You’d have to do this as it would be very difficult if not impossible to track down the descendants of slave owners accurately.
Assuming you could connect reparation payments to blacks from the 5%, you are assuming their descendants are guilty for actions they did not commit. You wouldn’t be making things right, instead you’d be punishing people for their racial heritage.
Thank you! I appreciated that. I have not said one hateful thing in this thread but the line of what is CONSIDERED to be hateful or malicious has been so blurred, specifically with with what is considered racist that I believe it is too risky to speak about. It seems some people are considering peoples’ non-violent thoughts and preferences as harmful. I’m not going to risk being inappropriately tagged with anything.
Once again, you’re totally lost in the conversation - this part of the program talking about “other remedies” is not referring to remedies for what ancestors have done, but remedies in real time to address the wrongs - 40 acres and a mule, Voting Rights Act, anti-discrimination laws.[quote=“therajraj, post:1599, topic:228119”]
It’s racist because:
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It’s a bad idea for the reasons you noted, but it isn’t racist.
I’m yet to see any instance where you were tagged with things like “racist.” Those seem to all be pointed at Raj.
It’s a bad idea for the reasons you noted, but it isn’t racist.
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How is it not racist to assume wrongdoing based on skin color?