Biology of Race

[pfury]

@therajraj

You can keep repeating Lewontin’s Fallacy I have no interest in going over it again

I’m not questioning whether or not we can test for ancestry. I’m questioning the breaking point to place people into buckets.

Serious question. If I’m 40% NW Euro, 40% hispanic, and 20% asian, which race do I belong to?

[ActivitiesGuy]

@therajraj

Here is the source of the image I posted. Read it then get back to me

g is 86% heritable

(raj: go read this reference, then get back to me)

@ActivitiesGuy

For those of us who can actually interpret the content of your kindly-provided reference, we see that the scientists conducting the study gave a large number of cognitive tests to the study participants. Pay heed to this passage:

“At the level of the individual cognitive tests, variable-specific additive genetic influences contributed very little to the observed variance, most were less than 5%. The only significantvariable specific genetic influences were observed for the Hidden Figures test, which accounted for approximately 15% of the variance. Variable-specific unique environmental influences ranged from 20% of the variance for Hidden Figures test to 45% of the variance for AFQT Vocabulary, Digit Span Backwards, and Letter Sequencing Condition of the D-KEFS Trail Making test.”

What that loosely means is that there does appear to be a common “g factor” that is manifested in correlation across test performances, but that the genetic influences added almost nothing to predictive value of how participants performed on any individual component of the test.

So I should amend my previous critique slightly. You’re not entirely wrong - the article does support the existence of a shared “g factor” that has some relation to performance across different intelligence tests - but the genetic influences have virtually no predictive effect on the individual test results, while environmental factors did have significant impacts on nearly all of the individual test results. So you’re just mostly wrong.

(AG: reads reference, highlights important passage explaining important study findings)

@therajraj

You’d be best served to go through this link I’ve posted multiple times. It sums up the case for race & IQ.

(raj: time to change gears)

@ActivitiesGuy

Translation: you can’t refute that I just took apart the previous reference you posted (as it pertains to your point, anyway, not the quality of the work in general) so it’s time to shift away from that & redirect to a different book.

Good job, good effort, raj.

(AG: no, don’t change gears, you literally just told me “read that reference and then get back to me” - which I did)

@therajraj

No, for a second you gave me the impression you might want to learn more about what’s being discussed here.

Instead I realize you’re just here to whore for likes.

(raj: I know that you actually read the reference and gave me a detailed explanation, which is inconvenient for my argument, so now I’m going to switch gears, attack you for “not wanting to learn more about what’s being discussed here” even though you clearly read my article and explained it in a way that I can’t or won’t understand, and tack on a comment at the end that you’re just here to whore for likes)

[therajraj]

@anon50325502

@therajraj

@SkyzykS

@therajraj

Easy solution: give them their own country far far far away from their oppressors.Have you figured out how to quantify who “them” is yet?

The ones with a predisposition to Sickle Cell

Being one of the beneficiaries of this cleansing, I say we just use a pigment scale.

With the way you’ve described yourself- I’ll see you off to Liberia!

After all, I’m one of the genetically intelligent and superior, and you aren’t even really from this continent. I don’t know how you’ve gotten this far along, but you can make your way back to india or where ever from Liberia if you feel like it.

Just don’t come back here.

That’s the spirit. This is exactly what I want

Actions speak louder than words.

Yeah come on skyzks you’re real good at kicking ass, go one stomp some $%%w out of your country

[SkyzykS]

@therajraj

Yeah come on skyzks you’re real good at kicking ass, go one stomp some $%%w out of your country

That is completely unintelligible.

Did one of your ancestors bonk their head coming out of a mango tree?

You also seem genetically incapable of understanding my tongue in cheek sarcastic humor.

[EyeDentist]

@therajraj

Anyways prove it.

The burden of ‘proof’ (there’s that unscientific word again) lies not with the person who says ‘there is no systematic differences between groups of people;’ rather, it lies with the person who says such differences exist. That is, from a scientific perspective, you don’t get to say ‘Humans of various ancestries differ systematically with respect to intelligence. Prove me wrong.’ Instead, the default scientific position would be that humans do not differ, and this would hold until someone provided compelling evidence to the contrary.

[therajraj]

@EyeDentist

@therajraj

Anyways prove it.

The burden of ‘proof’ (there’s that unscientific word again) lies not with the person who says ‘there is no systematic differences between groups of people;’ rather, it lies with the person who says such differences exist. That is, from a scientific perspective, you don’t get to say ‘Humans of various ancestries differ systematically with respect to intelligence. Prove me wrong.’ Instead, the default scientific position would be that humans do not differ, and this would hold until someone provided compelling evidence to the contrary.

He made a claim, he must back his claim. End of story.

[therajraj]

@EyeDentist

@therajraj

That evolution stopped 50,000 years ago and the brain is not subject to forces of evolution in widely different climates and environments.

Take us back 50K years. Consider all the different climates/environments humans were living in.

Speculate for us as to how some of those climes/environments would be expected to favor (in an evolutionary-selection sense) ‘intelligence,’ but others wouldn’t.

There are multiple hypothesis, one is cold climate theory.

[pfury]

@pfury

Serious question. If I’m 40% NW Euro, 40% hispanic, and 20% asian, which race do I belong to?

@therajraj

[thunderbolt23]

@therajraj

Anyways prove it.The burden of ‘proof’ (there’s that unscientific word again) lies not with the person who says ‘there is no systematic differences between groups of people;’ rather, it lies with the person who says such differences exist. That is, from a scientific perspective, you don’t get to say ‘Humans of various ancestries differ systematically with respect to intelligence. Prove me wrong.’ Instead, the default scientific position would be that humans do not differ, and this would hold until someone provided compelling evidence to the contrary.

He made a claim, he must back his claim. End of story.

So you’re an immigrant who hates immigration and thinks immigrants shouldn’t be in the US - but you won’t leave.

You think people of color should move back to where their “race” calls “home” - but you are an Indian with dark skin who won’t move back to where your “race” calls “home”.

You demand debaters back their factual claims with proof - but you don’t think you have to.

Why should anyone take anything you say seriously?

[SkyzykS]

@therajraj

He made a claim, he must back his claim. End of story.

You have made a claim which you have failed to prove. Once you adequately prove your point to the satisfaction of this forum, I will reiterate my position as a counter point.

[therajraj]

[quote=“thunderbolt23, post:930, topic:228119, full:true”]

So you’re an immigrant who hates immigration and thinks immigrants shouldn’t be in the US - but you won’t leave.[/quote]

No I don’t.

[quote=“thunderbolt23, post:930, topic:228119, full:true”]
You think people of color should move back to where their “race” calls “home” - but you are an Indian with dark skin who won’t move back to where your “race” calls “home”.[/quote]

No I don’t, you really have trouble following a discussion. If blacks are hypothetically being followed around by their history of Jim Crow and slavery then by extension this is the only logical solution under ED’s worldview.

[therajraj]

@SkyzykS

@therajraj

He made a claim, he must back his claim. End of story.

You have made a claim which you have failed to prove. Once you adequately prove your point to the satisfaction of this forum, I will reiterate my position as a counter point.

Cool now it’s your turn or just admit you can’t back your worldview

[ActivitiesGuy]

@thunderbolt23

You demand debaters back their factual claims with proof - but you don’t think you have to.

One step further, when the “proof” he provides in support of his point is called into question or explored on a deeper level, he retreats back to “hey, measures are imperfect” but when “proof” is provided against his point, he’s ready to bring out all the artillery (or at least his Nerf gun) to discredit it.

[ActivitiesGuy]

@thunderbolt23

So you’re an immigrant who hates immigration and thinks immigrants shouldn’t be in the US - but you won’t leave.

@therajraj

No I don’t.

You “don’t” what?

Hate immigration?
Think immigrants shouldn’t be in the US?
Aren’t willing to leave?

[EyeDentist]

@anon50325502

There are people alive today that remember segregation.

Indeed. My mother (RIP–she died fairly young, but would only be in her 70s now if she hadn’t) had vivid memories of when she was a child in New Orleans, of getting on the streetcar and moving the “Colored” sign so she could sit. (The sign-peg fit in a hole in the back of the seat, and if more room was needed in the front of the streetcar to accommodate white people, the sign would be moved back accordingly.) As an adult, she felt terribly guilty for having been an active participant in Jim Crow. But she also remembered that, at the time, it didn’t ‘feel’ unjust or discriminatory to her–it felt normal. It was just the way the world was.

[therajraj]

@pfury

@pfury

Serious question. If I’m 40% NW Euro, 40% hispanic, and 20% asian, which race do I belong to?

@therajraj

What breed is a dog that’s half pitbull have poodle?

[pfury]

@therajraj

What breed is a dog that’s half pitbull have poodle?

A mutt.

Edit: Or if you prefer, a poodbull

[thunderbolt23]

@therajraj

No I don’t.

Sure you do.[quote=“therajraj, post:932, topic:228119”]
If blacks are hypothetically being followed around by their history of Jim Crow and slavery then by extension this is the only logical solution under ED’s worldview.
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You’ve said over and over people should sort with their races and eschew multiethnic societies.

But more to my point - why are you absolved from having to provide proof for your nonsensical claims?

The burden has been in you for like a thousand posts now, and you haven’t delivered. Are you going to? Can you?

[therajraj]

@thunderbolt23

The burden has been in you for like a thousand posts now, and you haven’t delivered. Are you going to? Can you?

Get back to me when you apply the same skepticism to the idea blacks are being followed around by a history of slavery and jim Crow

[mbdix]

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