Is that an acceptable excuse for using imperfect measures elsewhere? Are these doctors applying imperfect measures to 7 billion people or to the small subset they deal with? [/quote]
If you haven’t figured it out yet, very little of what we can measure in life is perfect. You are holding an unrealistic standard for ideas you don’t like. It’s fake morality dressed up as criticism
No one has this problem with breeds of dogs, in fact they openly accept it
That evolution stopped 50,000 years ago and the brain is not subject to forces of evolution in widely different climates and environments. Remember the brain is 3% of our body mass, takes up 20% of our energy, yet somehow all ethnic brains are the same.
Dogs are intentionally breed to remain “pure” and usually come with papers stating as much. Is your goal for humans to do this as well?
Very few people are saying race has 0% impact on IQ. What people are saying, is that the real % isn’t high enough (when margin of error factored in) to warrant making judgements to entire groups of people when the numbers are in the billions.
That is why I’m happy to just sit back in these types of conversations. The language gets way too profession specific for a layman to fully understand, let alone use to form a comprehensive argument with.
Its like a T-ball sized kid trying to swing a Louisville slugger. The kid can swing the bat, then the bat swings him around too.
No, what it incomprehensible is that you think that the plasticity or adaptability of one ethnic type of brain is not equal to another.
If you take my nordic brain as a clean slate and subject it to the stimulus that an african brain is subject to- it will adapt the same characteristics, and vice versa. This lobe or section will develop more, that one will develop less etc. based on the inputs and necessities it is required to accommodate.
I thought your goal was to halt all immigration to the US except for certain exceptions?
The “moral policing” you’re talking about is pretty important due to the collateral damage. If you assume all black people will end up with hypertension, and you’re wrong sometimes, who cares? They just end up not having hypertension. If you assume black people have a lower average IQ that makes them bad fits for western civilization and deny them entry to America because of it, the instances in which you’re wrong has a direct negative impact on not only their lives, but society’s progress as a whole.
First of all, I believe we are better off with more knowledge than less. Wandering around in the dark is not more advantageous than having the lights on. You also can’t solve problems until you correctly identify them.
While my stance on immigration is influenced by racial differences, we’re having a separate discussion at hand. You can accept racial differences and be pro immigration.
I’m not “assuming” black people have lower average IQs, it’s been shown over and over to be the case. But ultimately, a group trend does not represent the individual.
I’m not going to let you take the deconstructionist position while I run all over the internet collecting information to prove a point that you won’t accept anyways.
But anecdotally- all of the Africans that we brought to America that have adapted to life on this continent perfectly well.
If you’re really interested in correctly identifying problems, a good start would be actually trying to understand the scientific articles you post instead of just posting “g is 86% heritable” (a sentence that you cannot possibly explain, or understand the methods used to derive it).
Also agreed, but the end goal is just as important as the information being evaluated, as information could easily fall within an acceptable range for a small impact change, and not fall into an acceptable range for a larger one.
The argument isn’t that blacks are being cheated out of IQ points, but rather that the imperfect tests were designed in such a way that leads obvious bias to those that created it. On top of that, all distinctions draw between IQ and anything hold a lot less value when this bias still exists.
There are people alive today that remember segregation. The end of Slavery wasn’t even that long ago in America. The idea that in a few generations former slaves should have caught up to other American’s is so laughably ridiculous it’s not even funny. This, of course, ignores about 1,000 other issues too, but I’m used to that at this point.
But remember, raj is an Indian guy who looks sort of like a black guy and says that he’s never felt oppressed, ergo systemic oppression does not exist.
“The movement that’s trying to get rid of IQ tests is failing to understand that these tests are valid in the hands of a competent practitioner who can go beyond the numbers–or at least use the numbers to understand what makes the person tick, to integrate those test scores with the kind of child you’re looking at, and to blend those behaviors with the scores to make useful recommendations,” he says.
Gee, almost like the number requires somewhat of a nuanced interpretation…
“We will always need some way of making intelligent decisions about people,” says Halpern. “We’re not all the same; we have different skills and abilities. What’s wrong is thinking of intelligence as a fixed, innate ability, instead of something that develops in a context.”
