Well this has been fun.
[quote]Neuromancer wrote:<<< I reject the bible as being anything other than the work of men.
Carry on. :)[/quote]Ya know, I’m glad you finally confirmed that for me. I have held that suspicion for some time now. =] See, if God were to enliven your mind and spirit to the fact that it is indeed the work of men moved by His inspiration? Then you would also see that allll these objections and arguments are what someone who has had their mind and spirit so enlivened should expect from those who have not.
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:Yeah well, we have Sapolsky on film, so I am inclined to believe in his existence. [/quote]Yeah well we have the creator God’s signature on absolutely everything including Zapolsky AND film so you are even more inclined to believe in His existence. He says you are. Corruption in sin is the cause of your obstinate denial of His Lordship over the universe and especially over you. You can’t help it. Neither could I. There is a remedy though.
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Yeah, so you say, but we can both see Sapolsky and I dont see that signature.
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
Sorry, I don’t consider making a dollar to be the only indicator of thriving and I have an economics degree.[/quote]
Then your whole argument is that Christianity is best and the less there is of it the worse it it and therefore less Christianity automatically equals worse society.
Next time simply draw a circle and we know what you mean by it.
Do you know why money has any worth?
Hold on…
Wait for it…
It’s coming…
Faith.
WEEEEEEEEEEEE!!! LOL!! How could I have ever doubted???: http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2009/05/090519-missing-link-found.html And I’m ridiculed for having blind faith. =] Your turn to make funna me now.
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
Sorry, I don’t consider making a dollar to be the only indicator of thriving and I have an economics degree.[/quote]
Then your whole argument is that Christianity is best and the less there is of it the worse it it and therefore less Christianity automatically equals worse society.
Next time simply draw a circle and we know what you mean by it. [/quote]
Well that is convenient since religion draws people during times of fear and uncertainty. I guess things need to get worse for everyone else before they get “better” for BC.
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
[quote]MattyG35 wrote:<<< Robert Sapolsky >>>[/quote]When this man can command light and matter to exist from nothing and then effortlessly sustain every particle and photon by an act of his will? Write me back and we’ll talk. BTW, without the God I love and serve? You are incapable of so much as even one syllable of intelligible thought or speech to say nothing of an actual opinion about anything. So is Robert Sapolsky.
Please forgive me if I refrain from hyperventilating at his views. I apologize for the ninny remark if you are actually offended. I was trying to have a little fun with you. It does not appear you are so inclined.
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Then keep wearing your ignorance as if it were a badge of honour.
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:Yeah well, we have Sapolsky on film, so I am inclined to believe in his existence. [/quote]Yeah well we have the creator God’s signature on absolutely everything including Zapolsky AND film so you are even more inclined to believe in His existence. He says you are. Corruption in sin is the cause of your obstinate denial of His Lordship over the universe and especially over you. You can’t help it. Neither could I. There is a remedy though.
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Yeah, so you say, but we can both see Sapolsky and I dont see that signature.
[/quote]Oh yes you do.
[quote]MattyG35 wrote:<<< Then keep wearing your ignorance as if it were a badge of honour.
[/quote]Well thank you very much. I’ll do just that.
[quote]pat wrote:
Do you know why money has any worth?
Hold on…
Wait for it…
It’s coming…
Faith.[/quote]
The one we have now?
Yes.
The one it was derived from?
No wai!
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:Yeah well, we have Sapolsky on film, so I am inclined to believe in his existence. [/quote]Yeah well we have the creator God’s signature on absolutely everything including Zapolsky AND film so you are even more inclined to believe in His existence. He says you are. Corruption in sin is the cause of your obstinate denial of His Lordship over the universe and especially over you. You can’t help it. Neither could I. There is a remedy though.
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Yeah, so you say, but we can both see Sapolsky and I dont see that signature.
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Oh yes you do. [/quote]
Oh no I dont.
[quote]orion wrote:<<< Oh no I dont.[/quote] You’re a good sport Man. Romans 1:18-23 (ESV. Less editing for posts) [quote]18-For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who by their unrighteousness suppress the truth. 19-For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. 20-For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse.
21-For although they knew God, they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him, but they became futile in their thinking, and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22-Claiming to be wise, they became fools, 23-and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images resembling mortal man and birds and animals and creeping things[/quote]Yes you do, but you will never EVER own it unless He frees you to do so. All ya gotta do is ask.
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
[quote]Neuromancer wrote:<<< I reject the bible as being anything other than the work of men.
Carry on. :)[/quote]Ya know, I’m glad you finally confirmed that for me. I have held that suspicion for some time now. =] See, if God were to enliven your mind and spirit to the fact that it is indeed the work of men moved by His inspiration? Then you would also see that allll these objections and arguments are what someone who has had their mind and spirit so enlivened should expect from those who have not. [/quote]
All you had to do was ask, not like i was hiding something or had an ulterior motive. Just sayin’.
And no…I don’t believe they were divinely inspired in any way. They may have felt that way or believed that was the case. But I don’t share that view.
As far your expectations of arguments from those that don’t share your beliefs are concerned, the reverse applies equally. You don’t bring anything new or different to the table other than a fervour and singleness of purpose that I think alienates more people to your cause than it attracts.
I could try describe to you how it plays out in the minds of others, but I would be wasting bandwidth. Suffice to say it come across as supremely selfish and egotistical. Please note I said ‘comes across’ not ‘is’. But here in the virtual arena it’s difficult to separate what appears to be from what is.
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]pat wrote:
Do you know why money has any worth?
Hold on…
Wait for it…
It’s coming…
Faith.[/quote]
The one we have now?
Yes.
The one it was derived from?
No wai![/quote]
Yes whey!
If nobody gave a shit about gold, for instance, it would not be worth a damn. Currency holds value because we believe everybody regards it the same. We’ve been programmed to believe money is worth something when objectively it’s just a piece of paper, or metal.
[quote]Neuromancer wrote:<<< All you had to do was ask, not like i was hiding something or had an ulterior motive. Just sayin’. >>>[/quote]Come on guys. You really can’t tell when my tongue is in my cheek? Of course I knew that. That was the point. [quote]Neuromancer wrote:<<< And no…I don’t believe they were divinely inspired in any way. They may have felt that way or believed that was the case. But I don’t share that view. >>>[/quote]I gathered that. See above.[quote]Neuromancer wrote:<<< As far your expectations of arguments from those that don’t share your beliefs are concerned, the reverse applies equally. You don’t bring anything new or different to the table other than a fervour and singleness of purpose that I think alienates more people to your cause than it attracts. >>>[/quote] Actually what I’m bringing is very VERY old and it’s supposed to repel most people. That’s what the gospel, the old one, the real one has always done. [quote]Neuromancer wrote:<<< I could try describe to you how it plays out in the minds of others, but I would be wasting bandwidth. Suffice to say it come across as supremely selfish and egotistical. Please note I said ‘comes across’ not ‘is’. But here in the virtual arena it’s difficult to separate what appears to be from what is.
[/quote]I promise you from the bottom of my heart that I view myself as absolutely no better than anybody else here and far worse than many. My participation in the life of the living and risen Christ is wholly by His own electing grace alone. I have sinned right in His face when I already knew His word and could not even claim the excuse of ignorance. Were it not for His faithful mercy I would have condemnation and judgement awaiting me far worse than most of you guys I’m always preaching to. It is difficult sometimes to portray that in a non verbal written fashion. Nevertheless I take such observations very seriously and am not the least bit bothered by you making it. You might be right. In which case I would need to adjust my attitude.
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]pat wrote:
Do you know why money has any worth?
Hold on…
Wait for it…
It’s coming…
Faith.[/quote]
The one we have now?
Yes.
The one it was derived from?
No wai![/quote]
Yes whey!
If nobody gave a shit about gold, for instance, it would not be worth a damn. Currency holds value because we believe everybody regards it the same. We’ve been programmed to believe money is worth something when objectively it’s just a piece of paper, or metal. [/quote]
Does not have to be gold, could be cigarettes too, or canned mackerel.
Yeah, canned mackerel.
A commodity money is usually durable, easily divisible and WANTED.
Not believed to have value, known to have value for other people.
Now you can go all Buddhist on me and say that all wants are an illusion, that would still not stop anyone from forming theories about what sort of delusional wants other people might have in the future.
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]pat wrote:
Do you know why money has any worth?
Hold on…
Wait for it…
It’s coming…
Faith.[/quote]
The one we have now?
Yes.
The one it was derived from?
No wai![/quote]
Yes whey!
If nobody gave a shit about gold, for instance, it would not be worth a damn. Currency holds value because we believe everybody regards it the same. We’ve been programmed to believe money is worth something when objectively it’s just a piece of paper, or metal. [/quote]
Does not have to be gold, could be cigarettes too, or canned mackerel.
Yeah, canned mackerel.
A commodity money is usually durable, easily divisible and WANTED.
Not believed to have value, known to have value for other people.
Now you can go all Buddhist on me and say that all wants are an illusion, that would still not stop anyone from forming theories about what sort of delusional wants other people might have in the future. [/quote]
So fiat money works perfectly under those conditions you’ve described then. I would say the more generally accepted term for smokes and fish as currency would be barter…as skills would be a ‘commodity money’ or barter tool too.
[quote]Neuromancer wrote:
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]Neuromancer wrote:
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
[quote]Sifu wrote:
[quote]pat wrote:
Who’s Bill Nye and why should anybody give a shit what he thinks?[/quote]
Because he has a valid point. America’s cult of creationism makes Americans look backwards, ignorant and unenlightened to the rest of the world. The result of this ignorance is a loss of credibility. [/quote]Is that so? Actually, the further we get away from it the weaker we become. This man http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2012/08/25/astronaut-neil-armstrong-dies-at-82/ read the creation account from the bible on the moon under our flag on live international television in 1969. How credible do you think we were then?
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Are you part of the 6000 year old young earth cult?[/quote]
No, BTW. [/quote]
Yes, I know catholics stand aside from all that insanity. It does seem to be a particular offshoot of hard core protestant fundie American sects. (As far as christianity goes. I’m also aware that certain jewish sects also hold to the same beliefs, and I would think prob muslim sects as well.)
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Creationism is in the spectrum of theories acceptable to believe as a Catholic, but it is rather looked down upon. Though there are older theories than creationism that a Catholic can believe (i.e. St. Augustine’s view of the world…only one side of earth is inhabited, &c.)
Hmmm… a future without money…
[quote]Neuromancer wrote:
I reject the bible as being anything other than the work of men.
Carry on. :)[/quote]
This is why Aquinas brilliantly said, whatever is received is received according to the mode of the receiver.