[quote]Legionary wrote:
You must inherit your reason from this bronze age primitive, an adherent to the detestable Old Testament.
lol
Is that your channel Legionary?
[quote]Fletch1986 wrote:So what makes genesis one of the books to be taken literally? If you quote scripture, I’ll read it. Just keep in mind that I’ll be reading it with pagan eyes. [/quote]Ya know I love ya Fletch, but it is just not possible to do a hermeneutics lesson on all the reasons why the bible knows nothing of and cannot peacefully coexist with evolution. I might be able to help though. Try this. http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?SID=713121656590 This guy is an absolute joke to guys like Matty so you can pretty much count on him to give the biblical view.
[quote]MattyG35 wrote:<<< Laugh all you want Tiribulus, it doesn’t make what you believe any truer.
Even funnier, is that you’re telling me that I’m far behind when you’re the one believing in 2000 year old fairy tales.[/quote]OUTRAGEOUS NONSENSE!!! Many of the fairy tales I believe are FAR older than 2000 years. Oh quit bein such a ninny will ya. I said I wasn’t makin funnaya.
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
[quote]MattyG35 wrote:<<< Laugh all you want Tiribulus, it doesn’t make what you believe any truer.
Even funnier, is that you’re telling me that I’m far behind when you’re the one believing in 2000 year old fairy tales.[/quote]
OUTRAGEOUS NONSENSE!!! Many of the fairy tales I believe are FAR older than 2000 years. Oh quit bein such a ninny will ya. I said I wasn’t makin funnaya. [/quote]
First, from where you’re standing you’re incapable of making fun of me.
Second, before calling someone a ninny or something similar, you should take the time to reflect on your own predicament.
Third, I would consider it inadvisable to bask so proudly in your own ignorance of the world.
Fourth, go back to that video I posted of Robert Sapolsky as it may help you understand why you feel the need to behave the way you do. Google keywords: ‘Schizotypal’.
Fifth, religion isn’t a competition. If it were, first place ends up just as much a loser as last, so stop trying so hard to be the most religious.
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[quote]pat wrote:
Who’s Bill Nye and why should anybody give a shit what he thinks?[/quote]
Because he has a valid point. America’s cult of creationism makes Americans look backwards, ignorant and unenlightened to the rest of the world. The result of this ignorance is a loss of credibility. [/quote]
Well when the rest of the world reaps the benefits from America going to Mars, you know…[/quote]
Implying all of America is responsible for getting to Mars.[/quote]
Leaving aside the giant side track currently going on in the thread, nah I don’t think that’s a necessary implication to suggest the rest of the world will reap the benefits. You don’t have to have the entire populace of a country involved to make it that country’s achievement. Besides, you can make a point that it IS at least half the country’s achievement because taxes payed the bills for us to buy and build the stuff to get there, which would have been impossible without the money. And secondly, care to point us to any other country (small groups of people or whole populace) that has even got to the moon? Nah.
I’m not playing “team America” partisan here, but I think it’s a kind of silly counterpoint for you to try to bring up for a variety of reasons.[/quote]
The money could have come from anywhere. I don’t see America with a Hadron collider now, do I?
The point is, you should give credit to the minds that made it possible, not the country they happen to live in.
[quote]MattyG35 wrote:<<< Robert Sapolsky >>>[/quote]When this man can command light and matter to exist from nothing and then effortlessly sustain every particle and photon by an act of his will? Write me back and we’ll talk. BTW, without the God I love and serve? You are incapable of so much as even one syllable of intelligible thought or speech to say nothing of an actual opinion about anything. So is Robert Sapolsky.
Please forgive me if I refrain from hyperventilating at his views. I apologize for the ninny remark if you are actually offended. I was trying to have a little fun with you. It does not appear you are so inclined.
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
Yeah well, we have Sapolsky on film, so I am inclined to believe in his existence.
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[quote]Legionary wrote:
Evolution and Creationism are not mutually exclusive views by the way. That’s simply a false dichotomy. Its quite logical to feel that God who created the Universe is everything in the Universe as well, including the laws of science.
Address this then.[/quote]
I like to say Science is God’s operating system[/quote]
Very true but its unclear to me if God just presides over the operating system or actually is the operating system.
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IMO , I do not see God presiding over it and for God being the system that is quite possible . In any course the greatest honor we could show God is to learn as much about his system as possible and be good stewarts of the Earth
[quote]orion wrote:Yeah well, we have Sapolsky on film, so I am inclined to believe in his existence. [/quote]Yeah well we have the creator God’s signature on absolutely everything including Zapolsky AND film so you are even more inclined to believe in His existence. He says you are. Corruption in sin is the cause of your obstinate denial of His Lordship over the universe and especially over you. You can’t help it. Neither could I. There is a remedy though.
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[quote]pat wrote:
Who’s Bill Nye and why should anybody give a shit what he thinks?[/quote]
Because he has a valid point. America’s cult of creationism makes Americans look backwards, ignorant and unenlightened to the rest of the world. The result of this ignorance is a loss of credibility. [/quote]
I think you over estimate the intelligence of the “rest of the world”.
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[quote]pat wrote:
Who’s Bill Nye and why should anybody give a shit what he thinks?[/quote]
Because he has a valid point. America’s cult of creationism makes Americans look backwards, ignorant and unenlightened to the rest of the world. The result of this ignorance is a loss of credibility. [/quote]Is that so? Actually, the further we get away from it the weaker we become. This man http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2012/08/25/astronaut-neil-armstrong-dies-at-82/ read the creation account from the bible on the moon under our flag on live international television in 1969. How credible do you think we were then?
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Are you part of the 6000 year old young earth cult?[/quote]
No, BTW.
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[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
They we’re never like us and where are they now.[/quote]
Were they not god fearing and have god all and scripture all over? And you make my point exactly. Where are they now? They rose, they ruled, they fell. God had nothing to do with it.[/quote]
Most societies eventually fall, its a fact of history. Also if you look at the longest surviving empire/society today it is very non-christian and on an upward rise.[/quote]
What “surviving empire/society” are you talking about? I think you live in world of wishful thinking.
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[quote]pat wrote:
Who’s Bill Nye and why should anybody give a shit what he thinks?[/quote]
Because he has a valid point. America’s cult of creationism makes Americans look backwards, ignorant and unenlightened to the rest of the world. The result of this ignorance is a loss of credibility. [/quote]
Who gives a shit what the rest of the world thinks? They wouldn’t have a fucking pot to pee in without Uncle Sam.[/quote]
True, gas lights and horse and buggies. So much for being backwards.
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[quote]Sifu wrote:
[quote]pat wrote:
Who’s Bill Nye and why should anybody give a shit what he thinks?[/quote]
Because he has a valid point. America’s cult of creationism makes Americans look backwards, ignorant and unenlightened to the rest of the world. The result of this ignorance is a loss of credibility. [/quote]
Well when the rest of the world reaps the benefits from America going to Mars, you know…[/quote]
Implying all of America is responsible for getting to Mars.[/quote]
We did pay taxes.
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[quote]blake2616 wrote:
We tried to be an empire, back when being an empire was cool. We were just horrible at it. We had the Philippines and Cuba at one point, but we only kept those for a few years. Most of the other territories were small islands. Wake, Midway, Guam, Virgin, etc.
I’m not sure why liberals think they need to “educate” us. Like believing in God is some sort of debilitating disease that requires you to avert your eyes when you pass us on the street. The Bible is irrefutable proof that God exists. Just look around, it is plain as day. Actually, it IS day. Without God, we wouldn’t have the sun, so things would be pretty dark around here. Maybe I am not the willfully ignorant one. [/quote]
we have troops in just about every country that will allow it . Bill Nye is entitled to his opinion of why science is more beneficial than Religion. I personally see nothing that makes it a Conservative Liberal point of view nor do I see any discrepancies in the big bang and Biblical creation theory
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It’s a ridiculous dichotomy to make between religion and science. They are two different disciplines. Science != religion. Save for the mind of a few speckled a atheists who seem to confuse the two…
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[quote]Sifu wrote:
[quote]pat wrote:
Who’s Bill Nye and why should anybody give a shit what he thinks?[/quote]
Because he has a valid point. America’s cult of creationism makes Americans look backwards, ignorant and unenlightened to the rest of the world. The result of this ignorance is a loss of credibility. [/quote]Is that so? Actually, the further we get away from it the weaker we become. This man http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2012/08/25/astronaut-neil-armstrong-dies-at-82/ read the creation account from the bible on the moon under our flag on live international television in 1969. How credible do you think we were then?
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Are you part of the 6000 year old young earth cult?[/quote]
No, BTW. [/quote]
Yes, I know catholics stand aside from all that insanity. It does seem to be a particular offshoot of hard core protestant fundie American sects. (As far as christianity goes. I’m also aware that certain jewish sects also hold to the same beliefs, and I would think prob muslim sects as well.)
[quote]Legionary wrote:
In the words of John Adams “The United States of America governments have exhibited, perhaps, the first example of governments erected on the simple principles of nature. It will never be pretended that any persons employed in that service had interviews with the gods, or were in any degree under the influence of Heaven, more than those at work upon ships or houses, or laboring in merchandise or agriculture; it will forever be acknowledged that these governments were contrived merely by the use of reason and the senses.”
And here is the treaty of Tripoli for you. Unless you want to argue that its demonic anti christian revisionist history. “The Treaty of Tripoli (Treaty of Peace and Friendship between the United States of America and the Bey and Subjects of Tripoli of Barbary) was the first treaty concluded between the United States of America and Tripolitania, signed at Tripoli on November 4, 1796 and at Algiers (for a third-party witness) on January 3, 1797. It was submitted to the Senate by President John Adams, receiving ratification unanimously from the U.S. Senate on June 7, 1797 and signed by Adams, taking effect as the law of the land on June 10, 1797.
“As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion,?as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquility, of Mussulmen [Muslims],?and as the said States never entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mahometan [Muslim] nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.”
The treaty is cited as historical evidence in the modern day controversy over whether there was religious intent by the founders of the United States government. Article 11 of the treaty has been interpreted as an official denial of a Christian basis for the U.S. government.[3]”
Evolution and Creationism are not mutually exclusive views by the way. That’s simply a false dichotomy. Its quite logical to feel that God who created the Universe is everything in the Universe as well, including the laws of science.[/quote]
Correct. A complete false dichotomy.
[quote]Neuromancer wrote:
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]Neuromancer wrote:
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
[quote]Sifu wrote:
[quote]pat wrote:
Who’s Bill Nye and why should anybody give a shit what he thinks?[/quote]
Because he has a valid point. America’s cult of creationism makes Americans look backwards, ignorant and unenlightened to the rest of the world. The result of this ignorance is a loss of credibility. [/quote]Is that so? Actually, the further we get away from it the weaker we become. This man Astronaut Neil Armstrong dies at 82 | Fox News read the creation account from the bible on the moon under our flag on live international television in 1969. How credible do you think we were then?
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Are you part of the 6000 year old young earth cult?[/quote]
No, BTW. [/quote]
Yes, I know catholics stand aside from all that insanity. It does seem to be a particular offshoot of hard core protestant fundie American sects. (As far as christianity goes. I’m also aware that certain jewish sects also hold to the same beliefs, and I would think prob muslim sects as well.)
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Not all evangelicals are creationists either, it’s just they (the creationists) scream louder than the rest. It tends to rest in fundamentalism where there is a selective but literal interpretation of the bible.
Basically, the thing that fundamentalists and atheists have in common is they both act like they take the bible literally in all aspects. Both are wrong.
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I reject the bible as being anything other than the work of men.
Carry on. 
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[quote]Neuromancer wrote:<<< I have zero desire to change you and no pity at all, a simple yes would’ve done.
I’m the one yawning. >>>[/quote]Fair enough.[quote]Neuromancer wrote:<<< You mistake correlation for causation. >>>[/quote]No. I most assuredly do not. I know what a fallacious “post hoc ergo propter hoc” postulation is. The spiritual history of this once great nation is not one, despite all the frenzied revision being employed to declare that it is.
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Let’s be honest. If a majority of Americans don’t become faithful Catholics in communion with the Church, it’s going to be a rough ride down hill. Western Civilization really started down hill with the Reformation, kept going down with the Enlightenment, and took a turn for the worst with the French Revolution and started picking out it’s grave with Modernism at the beginning of the 20th Century. Ten stacks says the Evil One’s hand has been in on it all along.[/quote]
You have it upside down, When the reformation took place Europa was on the rise allready and it only went up from there. 1492, 1498, The enlightment, The industrial revolution, the colonies all over the world etc. Its just know that the west are being challenged again by China, that are soon to be the largest economy again( its perhaps 200-250 years ago it was the biggest economy ). The period you glorifys is regarded as a downturn for Europa by most. The Muslim world was the cultural high cultur in that period and China was the biggest economy. Europa on the other hand was splintered in small autocracys in constant war with eachother( except the crusades )over petty matters.( Now this constant bickering gave us an upperhand later, but I want not go into this here )
Fun fact: Weber attributed the rise of industrial capitalism with calvinism. He is propably wrong about that IMO, but found it funny and somewhat relevant to your post.
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Sorry, I don’t consider making a dollar to be the only indicator of thriving and I have an economics degree.