Bill Nye: Creationism Is Not Appropriate For Children

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]Neuromancer wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:
Do you know why money has any worth?

Hold on…

Wait for it…

It’s coming…

Faith.[/quote]

The one we have now?

Yes.

The one it was derived from?

No wai![/quote]

Yes whey!

If nobody gave a shit about gold, for instance, it would not be worth a damn. Currency holds value because we believe everybody regards it the same. We’ve been programmed to believe money is worth something when objectively it’s just a piece of paper, or metal. [/quote]

Does not have to be gold, could be cigarettes too, or canned mackerel.

Yeah, canned mackerel.

A commodity money is usually durable, easily divisible and WANTED.

Not believed to have value, known to have value for other people.

Now you can go all Buddhist on me and say that all wants are an illusion, that would still not stop anyone from forming theories about what sort of delusional wants other people might have in the future. [/quote]

So fiat money works perfectly under those conditions you’ve described then. I would say the more generally accepted term for smokes and fish as currency would be barter…as skills would be a ‘commodity money’ or barter tool too.[/quote]

No, its not barter because you have eliminated the double coincidence of wants.

The moment you take something in return that you do not want but expect other people to want in the future, you have taken a big step on the road to a commodity money.

Fiat money might work for a while, or even indefinitely if the money is not inflated too much, but it could not come into existence in a free market.

All fiat moneys derive their undeserved trust in them from the commodity monies they replaced.

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[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]Neuromancer wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]Neuromancer wrote:

[quote]Tiribulus wrote:

[quote]Sifu wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:
Who’s Bill Nye and why should anybody give a shit what he thinks?[/quote]

Because he has a valid point. America’s cult of creationism makes Americans look backwards, ignorant and unenlightened to the rest of the world. The result of this ignorance is a loss of credibility. [/quote]Is that so? Actually, the further we get away from it the weaker we become. This man http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2012/08/25/astronaut-neil-armstrong-dies-at-82/ read the creation account from the bible on the moon under our flag on live international television in 1969. How credible do you think we were then?
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Are you part of the 6000 year old young earth cult?[/quote]

No, BTW. [/quote]

Yes, I know catholics stand aside from all that insanity. It does seem to be a particular offshoot of hard core protestant fundie American sects. (As far as christianity goes. I’m also aware that certain jewish sects also hold to the same beliefs, and I would think prob muslim sects as well.)
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Creationism is in the spectrum of theories acceptable to believe as a Catholic, but it is rather looked down upon. Though there are older theories than creationism that a Catholic can believe (i.e. St. Augustine’s view of the world…only one side of earth is inhabited, &c.)
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Are there any catholics that believe in young earth creationism ?

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[quote]Neuromancer wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]Neuromancer wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]Neuromancer wrote:

[quote]Tiribulus wrote:

[quote]Sifu wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:
Who’s Bill Nye and why should anybody give a shit what he thinks?[/quote]

Because he has a valid point. America’s cult of creationism makes Americans look backwards, ignorant and unenlightened to the rest of the world. The result of this ignorance is a loss of credibility. [/quote]Is that so? Actually, the further we get away from it the weaker we become. This man Astronaut Neil Armstrong dies at 82 | Fox News read the creation account from the bible on the moon under our flag on live international television in 1969. How credible do you think we were then?
[/quote]

Are you part of the 6000 year old young earth cult?[/quote]

No, BTW. [/quote]

Yes, I know catholics stand aside from all that insanity. It does seem to be a particular offshoot of hard core protestant fundie American sects. (As far as christianity goes. I’m also aware that certain jewish sects also hold to the same beliefs, and I would think prob muslim sects as well.)
[/quote]

Creationism is in the spectrum of theories acceptable to believe as a Catholic, but it is rather looked down upon. Though there are older theories than creationism that a Catholic can believe (i.e. St. Augustine’s view of the world…only one side of earth is inhabited, &c.)
[/quote]

Are there any catholics that believe in young earth creationism ?[/quote]

Yes, of course.

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[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]Neuromancer wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]Neuromancer wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]Neuromancer wrote:

[quote]Tiribulus wrote:

[quote]Sifu wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:
Who’s Bill Nye and why should anybody give a shit what he thinks?[/quote]

Because he has a valid point. America’s cult of creationism makes Americans look backwards, ignorant and unenlightened to the rest of the world. The result of this ignorance is a loss of credibility. [/quote]Is that so? Actually, the further we get away from it the weaker we become. This man http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2012/08/25/astronaut-neil-armstrong-dies-at-82/ read the creation account from the bible on the moon under our flag on live international television in 1969. How credible do you think we were then?
[/quote]

Are you part of the 6000 year old young earth cult?[/quote]

No, BTW. [/quote]

Yes, I know catholics stand aside from all that insanity. It does seem to be a particular offshoot of hard core protestant fundie American sects. (As far as christianity goes. I’m also aware that certain jewish sects also hold to the same beliefs, and I would think prob muslim sects as well.)
[/quote]

Creationism is in the spectrum of theories acceptable to believe as a Catholic, but it is rather looked down upon. Though there are older theories than creationism that a Catholic can believe (i.e. St. Augustine’s view of the world…only one side of earth is inhabited, &c.)
[/quote]

Are there any catholics that believe in young earth creationism ?[/quote]

Yes, of course.[/quote]

In your opinion, a large %?

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[quote]Neuromancer wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]Neuromancer wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]Neuromancer wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]Neuromancer wrote:

[quote]Tiribulus wrote:

[quote]Sifu wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:
Who’s Bill Nye and why should anybody give a shit what he thinks?[/quote]

Because he has a valid point. America’s cult of creationism makes Americans look backwards, ignorant and unenlightened to the rest of the world. The result of this ignorance is a loss of credibility. [/quote]Is that so? Actually, the further we get away from it the weaker we become. This man http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2012/08/25/astronaut-neil-armstrong-dies-at-82/ read the creation account from the bible on the moon under our flag on live international television in 1969. How credible do you think we were then?
[/quote]

Are you part of the 6000 year old young earth cult?[/quote]

No, BTW. [/quote]

Yes, I know catholics stand aside from all that insanity. It does seem to be a particular offshoot of hard core protestant fundie American sects. (As far as christianity goes. I’m also aware that certain jewish sects also hold to the same beliefs, and I would think prob muslim sects as well.)
[/quote]

Creationism is in the spectrum of theories acceptable to believe as a Catholic, but it is rather looked down upon. Though there are older theories than creationism that a Catholic can believe (i.e. St. Augustine’s view of the world…only one side of earth is inhabited, &c.)
[/quote]

Are there any catholics that believe in young earth creationism ?[/quote]

Yes, of course.[/quote]

In your opinion, a large %?[/quote]

I would have no idea. I can only think of 2 Catholics I’ve ever met who I know to be young-earthers. But it’s not exactly something I survey fellow Catholics about. Not really a concern for me.

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I’m with Chesterton. http://creation.com/gk-chesterton-darwinism-is-an-attack-upon-thought-itself The young lady who wrote this piece is rather sharp btw. Very good stuff. Her offering on women in the bible is tremendous. I got a sore neck from nodding up and down. She could school most of the pathetic male pastors around these days on the handling of holy writ.

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[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]Neuromancer wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]Neuromancer wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]Neuromancer wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]Neuromancer wrote:

[quote]Tiribulus wrote:

[quote]Sifu wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:
Who’s Bill Nye and why should anybody give a shit what he thinks?[/quote]

Because he has a valid point. America’s cult of creationism makes Americans look backwards, ignorant and unenlightened to the rest of the world. The result of this ignorance is a loss of credibility. [/quote]Is that so? Actually, the further we get away from it the weaker we become. This man http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2012/08/25/astronaut-neil-armstrong-dies-at-82/ read the creation account from the bible on the moon under our flag on live international television in 1969. How credible do you think we were then?
[/quote]

Are you part of the 6000 year old young earth cult?[/quote]

No, BTW. [/quote]

Yes, I know catholics stand aside from all that insanity. It does seem to be a particular offshoot of hard core protestant fundie American sects. (As far as christianity goes. I’m also aware that certain jewish sects also hold to the same beliefs, and I would think prob muslim sects as well.)
[/quote]

Creationism is in the spectrum of theories acceptable to believe as a Catholic, but it is rather looked down upon. Though there are older theories than creationism that a Catholic can believe (i.e. St. Augustine’s view of the world…only one side of earth is inhabited, &c.)
[/quote]

Are there any catholics that believe in young earth creationism ?[/quote]

Yes, of course.[/quote]

In your opinion, a large %?[/quote]

I would have no idea. I can only think of 2 Catholics I’ve ever met who I know to be young-earthers. But it’s not exactly something I survey fellow Catholics about. Not really a concern for me.
[/quote]

I’m curious, nothing more. Could be flat earthers for all I care. That’s why I asked in your opinion and not for a full blown survey.

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[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
I’m with Chesterton. http://creation.com/gk-chesterton-darwinism-is-an-attack-upon-thought-itself The young lady who wrote this piece is rather sharp btw. Very good stuff. Her offering on women in the bible is tremendous. I got a sore neck from nodding up and down. She could school most of the pathetic male pastors around these days on the handling of holy writ.[/quote]

That made my eyes bleed…

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[quote]Neuromancer wrote:<<< That made my eyes bleed…[/quote]I don’t understand. Chesterton btw is one of my all time favorite Catholics.

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[quote]Tiribulus wrote:

[quote]Neuromancer wrote:<<< That made my eyes bleed…[/quote]I don’t understand. Chesterton btw is one of my all time favorite Catholics.
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Can start off with the massive straw man of ‘turning science into a philosophy’ and then degenerates into the whole ‘miracles’ thing. I fail to see how that thinking can be taken seriously.

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[quote]Neuromancer wrote:[quote]Tiribulus wrote:[quote]Neuromancer wrote:<<< That made my eyes bleed…[/quote]I don’t understand. Chesterton btw is one of my all time favorite Catholics.[/quote]Can start off with the massive straw man of ‘turning science into a philosophy’ and then degenerates into the whole ‘miracles’ thing. I fail to see how that thinking can be taken seriously.[/quote]She is documenting Chesterton’s thought.

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[quote]Tiribulus wrote:

[quote]Neuromancer wrote:[quote]Tiribulus wrote:[quote]Neuromancer wrote:<<< That made my eyes bleed…[/quote]I don’t understand. Chesterton btw is one of my all time favorite Catholics.[/quote]Can start off with the massive straw man of ‘turning science into a philosophy’ and then degenerates into the whole ‘miracles’ thing. I fail to see how that thinking can be taken seriously.[/quote]She is documenting Chesterton’s thought.
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I understand that.

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Chesterton is one the most brilliant, beloved and oft quoted Catholic thinkers of the last 100 years.

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[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
Chesterton is one the most brilliant, beloved and oft quoted Catholic thinkers of the last 100 years.[/quote]

I’m sure he is, doesn’t mean he wasn’t off with the fairies in a variety of areas.

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[quote]Fletch1986 wrote:
So what makes genesis one of the books to be taken literally? If you quote scripture, I’ll read it. Just keep in mind that I’ll be reading it with pagan eyes. [/quote]Try this Fletch. Jesus on the age of the earth - creation.com I am not posting this because I think it will convince anybody, least of all Catholics, that biblical creationism is true. It does however make a strong case that macro bio evolution is NOT compatible with the bible taken seriously which is the point. People can believe whatever they want. Just don’t try n tell me that’s what the bible says. Folks could do everybody a favor and just deny that they really believe it rather than kill it by the proverbial death of a thousand qualifications. Just pick something else to say you believe. “Christian” has a specific meaning IF the source of it’s content is allowed to speak for itself. It is not open to synthetic revision at the hands of sinful men as time meanders on. (Yes Chris, I understand that) (Just answering your guaranteed Catholic response ahead of time so I won’t have to later =] )

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[quote]Neuromancer wrote:[quote]Tiribulus wrote:Chesterton is one the most brilliant, beloved and oft quoted Catholic thinkers of the last 100 years.[/quote]I’m sure he is, doesn’t mean he wasn’t off with the fairies in a variety of areas.[/quote]He was NOT a proponent of evolution and I can’t believe from what I know of him that he would be if he were alive today. BTW, he was also NO fan of people like me.

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[quote]Tiribulus wrote:

[quote]Neuromancer wrote:[quote]Tiribulus wrote:Chesterton is one the most brilliant, beloved and oft quoted Catholic thinkers of the last 100 years.[/quote]I’m sure he is, doesn’t mean he wasn’t off with the fairies in a variety of areas.[/quote]He was NOT a proponent of evolution and I can’t believe from what I know of him that he would be if he were alive today. BTW, he was also NO fan of people like me.
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I can see he’s not a proponent of evolution, I did read the piece. That doesn’t help what I think of his views. Like I said, the strawman and miracles thing were the start of my disinterest in what he had to say. Doesn’t mean he wasn’t a bright lad, I just think his views are faulty is all.

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Just reminding the Catholics that one of their favorite most swoon inducing heroes was on the right side of this issue. Ya know? For all those those times I may have to go back and find where they derisively sneered and snickered when poor handicapped ol Trib said the same things as Chesterton. Of course they’ll miss the point entirely as usual, but there it is.

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[quote]Neuromancer wrote:

Can start off with the massive straw man of ‘turning science into a philosophy’ and then degenerates into the whole ‘miracles’ thing. I fail to see how that thinking can be taken seriously.[/quote]

Well, with respect to the “turning science into a philosophy”, he couldn’t be more correct. Science is (sadly) no longer a disinterested, dispassionate search for natural truths - it is seen as some sort of rebuttal to worldviews or philosophies, and the goofballs that have perpetuated this idea - Scientism - have devalued true science as a result.

We have seen it for years even here in the little corner of PWI - those self-described “rationalists” and “followers of reason” who know not a lot of science, but only a little, and basically try and use it as a “meme” to trash talk against religion or philosophy.

This is especially true of the college-sophomore-just-got-out-of-biology-class adolescent nonsense - they think that “science” - or scientific inquiry - is the rebuttal to all things they don’t like in the modern world.

Chesterton was one of the first critics to recognize and warn against this kind of thinking in its current form. And its most pernicious effect is not on religion or philosophy, but on science itself. By pretending that science has some philosophical endgame other than discovering and explaining natural truths, it has distracted from the work of science over the years.

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[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]Neuromancer wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]Neuromancer wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]Neuromancer wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]Neuromancer wrote:

[quote]Tiribulus wrote:

[quote]Sifu wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:
Who’s Bill Nye and why should anybody give a shit what he thinks?[/quote]

Because he has a valid point. America’s cult of creationism makes Americans look backwards, ignorant and unenlightened to the rest of the world. The result of this ignorance is a loss of credibility. [/quote]Is that so? Actually, the further we get away from it the weaker we become. This man http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2012/08/25/astronaut-neil-armstrong-dies-at-82/ read the creation account from the bible on the moon under our flag on live international television in 1969. How credible do you think we were then?
[/quote]

Are you part of the 6000 year old young earth cult?[/quote]

No, BTW. [/quote]

Yes, I know catholics stand aside from all that insanity. It does seem to be a particular offshoot of hard core protestant fundie American sects. (As far as christianity goes. I’m also aware that certain jewish sects also hold to the same beliefs, and I would think prob muslim sects as well.)
[/quote]

Creationism is in the spectrum of theories acceptable to believe as a Catholic, but it is rather looked down upon. Though there are older theories than creationism that a Catholic can believe (i.e. St. Augustine’s view of the world…only one side of earth is inhabited, &c.)
[/quote]

Are there any catholics that believe in young earth creationism ?[/quote]

Yes, of course.[/quote]

In your opinion, a large %?[/quote]

I would have no idea. I can only think of 2 Catholics I’ve ever met who I know to be young-earthers. But it’s not exactly something I survey fellow Catholics about. Not really a concern for me.
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I know of zero. It’s not even taught.