I’ve read the Bible cover to fucking cover more than once…
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First of all, I don’t believe you.
Second, reading it like a Hardy Boys novel is not the ticket. It takes Study.
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Born and raised a Methodist my dear boy. Good God fearing one for many years at that. Read the Bible growing up before bed all the time right before I said my nightly prayers. I know, shocking that someone could read the same book as you and come up with different conclusions. I didn’t become enlightened till I was a bit older, but in my defense all I was ever surrounded by was God, God, God talk and you will burn in hell if you don’t believe this which every single person in my small itty bitty Kansas town believed wholeheartedly. That will lead a man to read that book many times.
Fear is a POWERFUL tool. No wonder man has used it with religion to scam people out of money and gain control throughout history. Damn sure worked on this guy for a long time as well.
This could be debated. What part of creationism in science is debatable? I mean where is the scientific evidence? At least with global warming no matter what side you’re on you can have facts and data and make arguments. With creationism we have…well we have a really old book that claims a bunch of stuff no one can possibly be sure of! Here let me point to the data that suggests global warming does/does not exist. That’s an argument. It’s debatable. It’s scientific. Creationism is not.
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You’re too ignorant of the creation model to qualify you for participation in this thread. Go find a quiet place and study. Then come back later.[/quote]
You have failed to address the posts of Cornsprint, BigFlamer, and Dr. Skeptix. How do your 15 unassailable questions holding up in the light of scientific scrutiny? Christianity and the acceptance of evolution are not mutually exclusive. The Catholic Church and its members have no problem doing so, and I applaud them for their objectivity.
Your absolutely correct. We have a TON of bad teachers out there. Science teachers who use their classroom to push their religious beliefs are the epitome of bad teaching. They got confused. They are in teaching when they should be in preaching. Glad we could agree. [/quote]
You didn’t respond directly to what I wrote. You wandered off to the outhouse or something and started playing checkers with the kid next door. Stay on the target.[/quote]
Oh, the guy who never actually responds to what I write is claiming I didn’t respond to him and calling me out. You sure you’re not a die hard Republican like so many others on this site? Cause that hypocrisy goes really well with most lines of their thinking.
I don’t see a government need to necessarily intervene. Except it is a public funded school. At the very least I would expect a principal to have a problem with teachers in a science class wasting time with stuff that doesn’t pertain to science. Seems like a waste of taxpayer money to me.
You could argue against these points and lay out a case for WHY teaching creationism belongs in a science classroom. You haven’t done that yet though you have many posts recently in this thread. You’ll probably ignore it yet again, attack me in some manner (yet again) and feel smug and good about the job you’ve done. “Hey I caught that rascal H this time!”
You have failed to address the posts of Cornsprint, BigFlamer, and Dr. Skeptix. How do your 15 unassailable questions holding up in the light of scientific scrutiny? Christianity and the acceptance of evolution are not mutually exclusive. The Catholic Church and its members have no problem doing so, and I applaud them for their objectivity. [/quote]
No, you applaud them because they agree with you.
Honestly, at this point in time I’m not going to plunge back into this pool. It takes too much time. Is it a copout? Maybe. However, over the years I’ve discussed this topic more than the next 10 most prolific posters combined.[/quote]
No, I applaud them because its consistent with the findings of countless scientists who have devoted their lives to the pursuit of knowledge. Provide a rebuttal of their 15 counter arguments. I suspect you lack the scientific background to do so. I believe you ran away when someone brought up the existence of human species other than Homo Sapiens. Go ahead. Do that again.
…I don’t see a government need to necessarily intervene. Except it is a public funded school… [/quote]
So which is it? Which direction? Don’t need govt or do because it’s publicly funded?
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I’ve already said. I can certainly see where Legion and others come from in regards to the state acting in its best interest here, but personally I would rather not see the government have to intervene. This should happen from the people. From principals. From teachers. From citizens who don’t want their children preached to. As I’ve always maintained this whole time while you always try to catch me in this little “Ah ha! I’ve got him now!”
In a perfect world we wouldn’t have to answer these questions because it would just make sense that we would teach science in a science class. We don’t have a perfect world so we have to answer inane questions like should the government intervene to keep people from teaching something that has no business being taught in a science class in the first place.
Its in the interest of the State to do so. I mean, the public school system has enough ground to make up academically as it is. [/quote]
Point to the Article and Clause of the Constitution that empowers this.
Or your state constitution if you so choose.
I understand you are Joe Big Government and think this is just another area for the state to intrude. H factor and I disagree with you. Well I know I do and H has blown some smoke that indicates there may be fire somewhere in this regard on his part. We’ll see.
The fact of the matter is you don’t understand the cross-thread discussion H factor and I are having.[/quote]
Oh I’m sorry, I thought that the State of all entities would have a vested interest in the education of its citizens. This is not an issue of individual or states’ rights. This concerns the United States of America maintaining its current balance of power in an increasingly competitive International System. How do you expect to that to happen without producing the most competent, qualified scientists to work in fields such as Weapons R&D?
…I believe you ran away when someone brought up the existence of human species other than Homo Sapiens. Go ahead. Do that again.[/quote]
Encouraging someoneto do some research on the topic they claimed to be knowledgeable of when they showed a lack thereof is not the equivalent of “running away.” There are serious problems with the validity of the aforementioned “human species other than Homo Sapiens” fossils.
But like I said, I’m not getting back in this right away in depth.
Soooooooo seeing how you are peering out of your glass house right now as we speak thou dare not start gathering stones.[/quote]
Yeah, sure push, keep telling yourself that that’s what happened.
Take your own advice armchair expert.
Its in the interest of the State to do so. I mean, the public school system has enough ground to make up academically as it is. [/quote]
Point to the Article and Clause of the Constitution that empowers this.
Or your state constitution if you so choose.
I understand you are Joe Big Government and think this is just another area for the state to intrude. H factor and I disagree with you. Well I know I do and H has blown some smoke that indicates there may be fire somewhere in this regard on his part. We’ll see.
The fact of the matter is you don’t understand the cross-thread discussion H factor and I are having.[/quote]
Oh I’m sorry, I thought that the State of all entities would have a vested interest in the education of its citizens. This is not an issue of individual or states’ rights. This concerns the United States of America maintaining its current balance of power in an increasingly competitive International System. How do you expect to that to happen without producing the most competent, qualified scientists to work in fields such as Weapons R&D?[/quote]
I see. It’s all about Weapons R & D and such, huh? I chuckleth.[/quote]
I believe I said IN FIELDS SUCH AS WEAPONS R&D, which is a vital component of a nation being able to defend itself as well as project power outside of its borders. Why do you think the United States Navy is able to protect every major maritime trade route around the world? Its because our hardware and tech are unparalleled. Making a snide remark doesn’t negate my post. You seem to fancy yourself as a jack of all trades and master of all. Why not IR? Go ahead, take a stab at it.