[quote]Headhunter wrote:<<< SCIENCE IS SCIENCE AND RELIGION IS RELIGION. >>>[/quote]HEADHUNTER IS HEADHUNTER
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SCIENCE IS SCIENCE AND RELIGION IS RELIGION. [/quote]
ALL YOUR TAUTOLOGICAL BASES ARE BELONG TO US !
[quote]kamui wrote:
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SCIENCE IS SCIENCE AND RELIGION IS RELIGION. [/quote]
ALL YOUR TAUTOLOGICAL BASES ARE BELONG TO US ![/quote]Yea so there LOL!
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
[quote]Headhunter wrote:<<< SCIENCE IS SCIENCE AND RELIGION IS RELIGION. >>>[/quote]HEADHUNTER IS HEADHUNTER
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Hmm, i’m pretty sure this one has been empirically proven wrong dozens of times on this board.
[quote]kamui wrote:
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
[quote]Headhunter wrote:<<< SCIENCE IS SCIENCE AND RELIGION IS RELIGION. >>>[/quote]HEADHUNTER IS HEADHUNTER
[/quote]Hmm, i’m pretty sure this one has been empirically proven wrong dozens of times on this board.[/quote]CYNIC IS CYNIC =]
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]H factor wrote:
And creationism has absolutely no room in a science class. None. Unless you would like your science class to not be about science of course, and many seem to want that. [/quote]
Hey, you, Mr. Big Government Libertarian Oxymoron, do you plan on having government make sure creationism is not taught in science class?
Because if so, I will call Gary Johnson right now and get him over to your place so he can break your knees with an aluminum baseball bat, you meandering stream of a hypocrite you.[/quote]
what are you blabbering on about? Of course creationism has no place in a science classroom. Where did I say I wanted the government to force this? You know who SHOULD force it? Science teachers. They should quite simply say this is a science classroom and in science class we are going to discuss science. I wouldn’t even approach the topic. What does Gary Johnson have to do with anything about my post? I simply said creationism (not grounded in science) doesn’t belong in a science classroom. I’ll assume you disagree. Either way you haven’t caught me as a hypocrite as I never said the government should come in and force people to do anything. I merely asked why would people want to teach stuff not pertaining to science when in science class? Seems to make perfect sense to me, but you’re the one who claims I’m the big government hypocrite.
@Trib: That’s fine. Move your “big weight” and handwave if it makes you feel better. I know you could have said blah blah blah God gave you free will and you chose not to bow down to him here read this Bible verse I’ve seen 8 billion times (I have read the Bible more than most God fearing men I’ve ever met), but you choose not to and try to dismiss it as beneath you. Not really any sweat off my brow I’ve seen your posts on the subject and you seem to always approach it the same way. Which I don’t blame you. You’re pushing irrational “faith” at people and it must be DAMN hard to try and get them to come to terms with things that don’t make logical sense. I don’t envy your position. I’d probably fall back on, “uhmm, the Bible says so!” as well. And in your mind that’s always going to be enough my friend and in my mind it never will be.
[quote]H factor wrote:
what are you blabbering on about? Of course creationism has no place in a science classroom. Where did I say I wanted the government to force this? You know who SHOULD force it? Science teachers. They should quite simply say this is a science classroom and in science class we are going to discuss science. I wouldn’t even approach the topic. What does Gary Johnson have to do with anything about my post? I simply said creationism (not grounded in science) doesn’t belong in a science classroom.
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Global warming. Now there’s some junk science for you. Keep it out of the science classes.
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
[quote]H factor wrote:
what are you blabbering on about? Of course creationism has no place in a science classroom. Where did I say I wanted the government to force this? You know who SHOULD force it? Science teachers. They should quite simply say this is a science classroom and in science class we are going to discuss science. I wouldn’t even approach the topic. What does Gary Johnson have to do with anything about my post? I simply said creationism (not grounded in science) doesn’t belong in a science classroom.
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Global warming. Now there’s some junk science for you. Keep it out of the science classes.[/quote]
This could be debated. What part of creationism in science is debatable? I mean where is the scientific evidence? At least with global warming no matter what side you’re on you can have facts and data and make arguments. With creationism we have…well we have a really old book that claims a bunch of stuff no one can possibly be sure of! Here let me point to the data that suggests global warming does/does not exist. That’s an argument. It’s debatable. It’s scientific. Creationism is not.
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Lol religion. Love that South Park where the practicing Catholic and Protestant are in hell and ask why and the guy is like “Mormon, Mormon was the correct religion.” It is fun to try and watch people explain the unexplainable. But the flying spaghetti monster…he’s the one in charge. Sure everyone has a different spaghetti monster, but they all know he’s out there.
If the God exists that the Bible says exists then he is the biggest prick in existence and I wouldn’t bow down to him anyways. Seriously. Believe in me or be punished for ALL ETERNITY? We call that terrorism and don’t you guys say we don’t negotiate with terrorists? And yes I’ve heard all the responses to this, but it never ceases to amaze me the amount of people who buy into this fable.
Also big flamer I haven’t read all your post, but it will be interesting to see if anyone tries to tackle that.
And creationism has absolutely no room in a science class. None. Unless you would like your science class to not be about science of course, and many seem to want that. [/quote]
LOL @ people who comment about a book they never read. What other books haven’t you read that you care to comment about? Is there like some little atheist sowing circle where you get together and discuss things you don’t know shit about?
[quote]pat wrote:
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Lol religion. Love that South Park where the practicing Catholic and Protestant are in hell and ask why and the guy is like “Mormon, Mormon was the correct religion.” It is fun to try and watch people explain the unexplainable. But the flying spaghetti monster…he’s the one in charge. Sure everyone has a different spaghetti monster, but they all know he’s out there.
If the God exists that the Bible says exists then he is the biggest prick in existence and I wouldn’t bow down to him anyways. Seriously. Believe in me or be punished for ALL ETERNITY? We call that terrorism and don’t you guys say we don’t negotiate with terrorists? And yes I’ve heard all the responses to this, but it never ceases to amaze me the amount of people who buy into this fable.
Also big flamer I haven’t read all your post, but it will be interesting to see if anyone tries to tackle that.
And creationism has absolutely no room in a science class. None. Unless you would like your science class to not be about science of course, and many seem to want that. [/quote]
LOL @ people who comment about a book they never read. What other books haven’t you read that you care to comment about? Is there like some little atheist sowing circle where you get together and discuss things you don’t know shit about?[/quote]
I’ve read the Bible cover to fucking cover more than once. Been a while as I moved on from fiction, but I’ve done it. Any other fairy tales you want to believe about me to make your arguments more friendly to your views?
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]H factor wrote:
And creationism has absolutely no room in a science class. None. Unless you would like your science class to not be about science of course, and many seem to want that. [/quote]
Hey, you, Mr. Big Government Libertarian Oxymoron, do you plan on having government make sure creationism is not taught in science class?
Because if so, I will call Gary Johnson right now and get him over to your place so he can break your knees with an aluminum baseball bat, you meandering stream of a hypocrite you.[/quote]
Its in the interest of the State to do so. I mean, the public school system has enough ground to make up academically as it is.
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[quote]colt44 wrote:
a whole bunch[/quote]I find it astonishing that people that seem hell bent on scrutinizing evolution are unable or unwilling to apply the same level of critical thinking to their creationism.[/quote]I don’t find it astonishing at all that people who ARE hell bent on scrutinizing the living God are unable and unwilling to apply the same level of critical thinking to their belief that 2+2=4.
DrMatt. Allow me to subtly, but profoundly rephrase my question. What MAKES 2+2=4? Language is the vehicle. I’m talkin about the cargo.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]H factor wrote:
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]H factor wrote:
And creationism has absolutely no room in a science class. None. Unless you would like your science class to not be about science of course, and many seem to want that. [/quote]
Hey, you, Mr. Big Government Libertarian Oxymoron, do you plan on having government make sure creationism is not taught in science class?
Because if so, I will call Gary Johnson right now and get him over to your place so he can break your knees with an aluminum baseball bat, you meandering stream of a hypocrite you.[/quote]
what are you blabbering on about? Of course creationism has no place in a science classroom. Where did I say I wanted the government to force this? You know who SHOULD force it? Science teachers. They should quite simply say this is a science classroom and in science class we are going to discuss science. I wouldn’t even approach the topic. What does Gary Johnson have to do with anything about my post? I simply said creationism (not grounded in science) doesn’t belong in a science classroom. I’ll assume you disagree. Either way you haven’t caught me as a hypocrite as I never said the government should come in and force people to do anything. I merely asked why would people want to teach stuff not pertaining to science when in science class? Seems to make perfect sense to me, but you’re the one who claims I’m the big government hypocrite.
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So you want to put it in the hands of science teachers? I’m fine with that.
That means if a science teacher happens to be a creationist, and there are many, THAT science teacher(s) should be free of ANY government intervention to teach creationism.
If (notice the word “if” again, it makes this what is called a conditional sentence) you disagree then the meandering stream of hypocrisy metaphor applies.[/quote]
Your absolutely correct. We have a TON of bad teachers out there. Science teachers who use their classroom to push their religious beliefs are the epitome of bad teaching. They got confused. They are in teaching when they should be in preaching. Glad we could agree.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]H factor wrote:
This could be debated. What part of creationism in science is debatable? I mean where is the scientific evidence? At least with global warming no matter what side you’re on you can have facts and data and make arguments. With creationism we have…well we have a really old book that claims a bunch of stuff no one can possibly be sure of! Here let me point to the data that suggests global warming does/does not exist. That’s an argument. It’s debatable. It’s scientific. Creationism is not.
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You’re too ignorant of the creation model to qualify you for participation in this thread. Go find a quiet place and study. Then come back later.[/quote]
Lol. Strong logic yet again applied. Is handwaving really that prevalent around here. God some of you guys dismiss by attacking like it’s the only possible way you can think of to argue. Now we’re calling it the creation model even. We’re really making it sound more and more “sciency” throughout the thread. Let’s call it the molecular theory of hyper creationism. Now we’re really getting somewhere. I’m way to ignorant of that to participate. You’re absolutely right. Science has no place in a creationist classroom. Does that make it easier to swallow. Or would you just like to loudly proclaim I’m wrong and ignorant over and over again for yet another post?