…This should happen from the people. From principals. From teachers. From citizens who don’t want their children preached to…
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So once again, if principals and teachers in an imperfect world DID want creation taught in schools…no problem?
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Then you would fire the principals and teachers because they are going against the vast scientific majority, you know, people who actually know what they are talking about. Not some jackass on the PTA wanting to include his religious beliefs in public education. Religion’s place in the classroom would be in subjects such as Philosophy, certainly not the hard sciences.
Why is natural selection less valid than creationism? Natural selection has scientific validity behind it. Creationism is just ‘he said, she said’.
Then, the universe is infinitely complex. The probability of the order arising by chance is miniscule. But then the probability of God arising by chance would be even less than that! This thus must imply that God always existed. How in the heck would anyone ever know THAT?
So, to follow creationism is to turn one’s back on knowledge, from empirical evidence. This is NOT science and should not be equated with such.
…I don’t see a government need to necessarily intervene. Except it is a public funded school… [/quote]
So which is it? Which direction? Don’t need govt or do because it’s publicly funded?
Where do you stand?[/quote]
I’ve already said. I can certainly see where Legion and others come from in regards to the state acting in its best interest here, but personally I would rather not see the government have to intervene. This should happen from the people. From principals. From teachers. From citizens who don’t want their children preached to. As I’ve always maintained this whole time while you always try to catch me in this little “Ah ha! I’ve got him now!”
In a perfect world we wouldn’t have to answer these questions because it would just make sense that we would teach science in a science class. We don’t have a perfect world so we have to answer inane questions like should the government intervene to keep people from teaching something that has no business being taught in a science class in the first place. [/quote]
So if you sat on the school board how would you vote when this topic arose? Would you use the power of government to force all teachers to teach what you believe about evolution and creation? Would they have to toe your line as a government official?
And don’t yap on about “perfect world” bullshit. It’s irrelevant.[/quote]
I would say it is in the best interest of OUR school to teach science in a science classroom. I know some of you may have different beliefs for how the world and us came to be and I understand this. Rest assured we are not trying to keep you from believing that in the least bit. In our school we are going to adhere to a curriculum that is grounded in scientific basis. Evolution meets this criteria. If you would prefer not to have your child taught this please recognize you have many other options available for your child’s education. Thanks for your time. (How many times are you going to ask me the same question BTW). I’ve said this about 400 times now.
Also FWIW can we leave out the Gary Johnson is coming at me with a baseball bat if you order him to stuff? It’s really getting quite odd and rather stupid imo.
…This should happen from the people. From principals. From teachers. From citizens who don’t want their children preached to…
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So once again, if principals and teachers in an imperfect world DID want creation taught in schools…no problem?
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Then you would fire the principals and teachers because they are going against the vast scientific majority, you know, people who actually know what they are talking about. Not some jackass on the PTA wanting to include his religious beliefs in public education. Religion’s place in the classroom would be in subjects such as Philosophy, certainly not the hard sciences. [/quote]
^^^ This. All someone has to do to disprove natural selection is to find a human bone buried in rock a billion years old or similar. Or find a dinosaur bone in 10,000 year old soil.
How does one disprove creationism? It can’t be done. It is NOT science and is just rhetoric.
…I believe you ran away when someone brought up the existence of human species other than Homo Sapiens. Go ahead. Do that again.[/quote]
Encouraging someoneto do some research on the topic they claimed to be knowledgeable of when they showed a lack thereof is not the equivalent of “running away.” There are serious problems with the validity of the aforementioned “human species other than Homo Sapiens” fossils.
But like I said, I’m not getting back in this right away in depth.
Soooooooo seeing how you are peering out of your glass house right now as we speak thou dare not start gathering stones.[/quote]
Yeah, sure push, keep telling yourself that that’s what happened.
Take your own advice armchair expert.[/quote]
Relax, Matthew. Take this armchair expert’s advice, “Don’t start blowing snot again.”[/quote]
You still never answered those questions.
Take this expert’s advice, “Don’t start blowing hot air again.”
Its in the interest of the State to do so. I mean, the public school system has enough ground to make up academically as it is. [/quote]
Point to the Article and Clause of the Constitution that empowers this.
Or your state constitution if you so choose.
I understand you are Joe Big Government and think this is just another area for the state to intrude. H factor and I disagree with you. Well I know I do and H has blown some smoke that indicates there may be fire somewhere in this regard on his part. We’ll see.
The fact of the matter is you don’t understand the cross-thread discussion H factor and I are having.[/quote]
Oh I’m sorry, I thought that the State of all entities would have a vested interest in the education of its citizens. This is not an issue of individual or states’ rights. This concerns the United States of America maintaining its current balance of power in an increasingly competitive International System. How do you expect to that to happen without producing the most competent, qualified scientists to work in fields such as Weapons R&D?[/quote]
I see. It’s all about Weapons R & D and such, huh? I chuckleth.[/quote]
I believe I said IN FIELDS SUCH AS WEAPONS R&D,
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And I said, “and such,” bozo.
READ my friend. READ.
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Address the post Push. Or run away from it. Am I right, or am I wrong? Drop the semantics.
WEAPONS R&D, which is a vital component of a nation being able to defend itself as well as project power outside of its borders. Why do you think the United States Navy is able to protect every major maritime trade route around the world? Its because our hardware and tech are unparalleled. Making a snide remark doesn’t negate my post. You seem to fancy yourself as a jack of all trades and master of all. Why not IR? Go ahead, take a stab at it.
I would say it is in the best interest of OUR school to teach science in a science classroom. I know some of you may have different beliefs for how the world and us came to be and I understand this. Rest assured we are not trying to keep you from believing that in the least bit. In our school we are going to adhere to a curriculum that is grounded in scientific basis. Evolution meets this criteria. If you would prefer not to have your child taught this please recognize you have many other options available for your child’s education. Thanks for your time. (How many times are you going to ask me the same question BTW). I’ve said this about 400 times now.
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Would you mandate it under the force of law? Directly answer the question, please kind sir.
Good fucking God man I’ve answered the questions as a principal and any other variety of manners. No, I don’t suppose I would have much problem mandating it by the force of law. It would not be something I was happy about doing as government should be involved in schools at the bare minimum. Public schools though ARE a function of government and funded by taxpayer dollars. I’m of the opinion that it is in the BEST interest of schools to teach science in a science classroom. As I’ve said this isn’t something I should have to do. This is something we should ALL want. Not because I think my view is that much more important than yours. Merely my view stands up to academic rigor and yours does not.
In a public school system would you have a problem if a science teacher was teaching the Earth being flat? Would you fire them if they were the principal? Would you enact a law?
These are all silly questions as I don’t believe it SHOULD come down to that. If push came to shove I wouldn’t be happy about being involved in areas I don’t really need to be, but if I had the power I would do what I think is in the best interest of the kids. And that is to teach science in a science classroom and not religious mysticism.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
NOTHING and I mean NOTHING gets the emotions running in the red line like stepping on evolutionists’ toes.
It’s remarkable.
You fellers’ rabidness easily matches that of your nemesis, Tirib. You virtually choke on your spittle. [/quote]
I think what gets peoples emotions running is you laughing like a maniac while you make 0 points, challenge everyone else while not providing any basis for your own thought. You’ve been asked more than once. You haven’t chosen to do so. When you never show what you actually think and why it’s pretty easy to laugh at others who choose to do so. After all we don’t know explicitly why you think you’re right. You haven’t told us. So you remain above the fray by not entering it in the first place. You take potshots from the sidelines and ask questions, but ignore any directed at you. Cowards way out perhaps, but the way you like to play in most threads it seems.
Address the post Push. Or run away from it. Am I right, or am I wrong? Drop the semantics.
WEAPONS R&D, which is a vital component of a nation being able to defend itself as well as project power outside of its borders. Why do you think the United States Navy is able to protect every major maritime trade route around the world? Its because our hardware and tech are unparalleled. Making a snide remark doesn’t negate my post. You seem to fancy yourself as a jack of all trades and master of all. Why not IR? Go ahead, take a stab at it.[/quote]
You do truly humor me with this tack. Seriously humor me.[/quote]
Ok. So you don’t have a response. Much less an educated one.
…This should happen from the people. From principals. From teachers. From citizens who don’t want their children preached to…
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So once again, if principals and teachers in an imperfect world DID want creation taught in schools…no problem?
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Then you would fire the principals and teachers because they are going against the vast scientific majority, you know, people who actually know what they are talking about. Not some jackass on the PTA wanting to include his religious beliefs in public education. Religion’s place in the classroom would be in subjects such as Philosophy, certainly not the hard sciences. [/quote]
I didn’t ask you.
READ.
You really are having a READING problem tonight, aintcha?[/quote]
I realized that much. Its an internet forum. Not a formal debate. Instead of answering posts you deflect them. Easier if your positions are as untenable as your own I suppose. Rhetoric and semantics take the place of facts.