[quote]Rockscar wrote:
pittbulll wrote:
Rockscar wrote:
pittbulll wrote:
LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
Full blown socialism means no one in the medical field will profit from their work. Do you understand the consequences of this?
Everybody would make a wage, maybe not the best system, but I believe it to be better than the INS companies running everything.
There is a word for people who have this ideal…COMMUNISTS. Insurance companies do not run everything Mr. Baldwin.
try having an exsisting condition and getting Med Ins. and see who controls the Med industry. As far as me being a comunist, I am not I say we need to socialize medicine
Supply and demand dude. Do you honsetly think a somker with advanced health issues should pay less or equal to the guy who is healthy and did not make the same bad choices as customer A?? I HAVE gotten insurance with a pre existing condition myself. What’s your point?
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I think the somker should be evaluated to determine if he should receive care to cure him or just keep him comfortable until his time comes, I do not think seventy seven year old smoker should have a million dollars spent on him, just because he has insurance and a 40 year old that is in good health dies just because they do not have insurance.
[quote]Rockscar wrote:
pittbulll wrote:
As far as me being a comunist, I am not I say we need to socialize medicine
Every time you type you prove to us more and more that you have communist ideals.
Let me ask you 2 questions:
-Is social security being run well or is it broke?
-Is Medicare running well or is it on the brink of being broke?
Let’s add universal healthcare to that, but this time it will be full of hope…and…(please help me finish this statement)[/quote]
I do not know the particulars on medicade, but on Social security they should put back all the money they stole from it and they should change the model. When SS was stated there were many more working people supporting every retired person. We have to make adjustments. One thing government does when they get charge of a situation is they start to squeeze it for money, Schools, child protective services and prisons. Prisons are making a break from socialism, and having a tough time. I think it is wise to be frugal with social programs, but there is a lace to draw the line
[quote]Rockscar wrote:
pittbulll wrote:
As far as me being a comunist, I am not I say we need to socialize medicine
Every time you type you prove to us more and more that you have communist ideals.
Let me ask you 2 questions:
-Is social security being run well or is it broke?
-Is Medicare running well or is it on the brink of being broke?
Let’s add universal healthcare to that, but this time it will be full of hope…and…(please help me finish this statement)[/quote]
Let me ask you something. Is your precious private enterprise doing a good job providing medical care? (I’ll give you a hint: hell no.) Have a discussion, but don’t pretend we can do nothing.
[quote]Ryan P. McCarter wrote:
Rockscar wrote:Every time you type you prove to us more and more that you have communist ideals.
Read a book, please. Do you even know what communism is?
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Free education to all children, centralized banking, and a progressive income tax are all part of the socialist movement to bring about the classless utopia that it called Communism.
[quote]Ryan P. McCarter wrote:
Rockscar wrote:
pittbulll wrote:
As far as me being a comunist, I am not I say we need to socialize medicine
Every time you type you prove to us more and more that you have communist ideals.
Let me ask you 2 questions:
-Is social security being run well or is it broke?
-Is Medicare running well or is it on the brink of being broke?
Let’s add universal healthcare to that, but this time it will be full of hope…and…(please help me finish this statement)
Let me ask you something. Is your precious private enterprise doing a good job providing medical care? (I’ll give you a hint: hell no.) Have a discussion, but don’t pretend we can do nothing.
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We(the government) should do less than nothing.
We don’t have private enterprise providing healthcare.
We have private companies competing with medicare, medicaid, and social security that collectively are providers of health care.
Also, we have the FDA, USDA, and AMA pushing all providers, public and private, to disseminate misinformation about diet and exercise which is the ultimate cause of all inflammatory conditions, including heart disease, type 2 diabetes, and stroke.
[quote]PB-Crawl wrote:
orion wrote:
pittbulll wrote:
limitatinfinity wrote:
pittbulll wrote:
Aragorn wrote:
pittbulll wrote:
I think we should go full blown socialized medicine
You really aren’t playing with a full deck are you? I really hope your joking and I just missed it.
Let’s leave aside whether it’s even a good idea or not (it’s not). Let’s just talk about money. There is no fucking way on God’s green earth that we can afford that right now or for the foreseeable future. That amount of spending is simply not feasible.
You are allowed to disagree, just my opinion. I believe the Ins. Companies are making too much profit on the whole thing as we know it. You do know where that profit comes from?
yeah, it comes from the productivity of the employees and assets of the company.
Insurance companies are basically banks today and banks are Insurance companies. It is a big Goat fuck. There are no mechanics, it is all shuffling paper and creating wealth.
So what?
As long as they are creating wealth?
They’re supposed to be providing a service at the same time, not merely creating wealth.
and for a fuck lot of people, they’re not providing the service they claim to be and are really just robbing them.
creating wealth is fine and dandy when you provide a reasonable service.[/quote]
Ummm…wealth is all services that consumers deem “reasonable” – as well as every other good that is brought into existence via production.
Do not confuse money for wealth. Money is an exchange medium. Wealth is the stuff we exchange it for.
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
dhickey wrote:
Dustin wrote:
Therizza wrote:
a liberal calling out the president? HOLY SHIT BATMAN! good on him, at least Maher doesn’t mindlessly tow the line like some of his cohorts.
He’s a Libertarian, not a liberal. There is a difference between the two.
only when it comes to legalizing weed.
and prostitution…and gambling…and gay marriage…just not on economic policy matters which is where the crux of libertarianism lies.[/quote]
He labels himself libertarian.
If he’s not that then what is he? I agree that he has some statist leanings, but I wouldn’t call him a liberal.
[quote]Dustin wrote:
LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
dhickey wrote:
Dustin wrote:
Therizza wrote:
a liberal calling out the president? HOLY SHIT BATMAN! good on him, at least Maher doesn’t mindlessly tow the line like some of his cohorts.
He’s a Libertarian, not a liberal. There is a difference between the two.
only when it comes to legalizing weed.
and prostitution…and gambling…and gay marriage…just not on economic policy matters which is where the crux of libertarianism lies.
He labels himself libertarian.
If he’s not that then what is he? I agree that he has some statist leanings, but I wouldn’t call him a liberal.
For what it’s worth…
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He supports most of the conditions for transition to communism.
He supports the equalization of classes through government intervention.
That makes him a socialist regardless of the measures he would take to accomplish this.
I would say he was a communist, but Marx’s agricultural model is no longer relevant so I don’t think I can label him a communist in the traditional sense.
[quote]limitatinfinity wrote:
Dustin wrote:
LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
dhickey wrote:
Dustin wrote:
Therizza wrote:
a liberal calling out the president? HOLY SHIT BATMAN! good on him, at least Maher doesn’t mindlessly tow the line like some of his cohorts.
He’s a Libertarian, not a liberal. There is a difference between the two.
only when it comes to legalizing weed.
and prostitution…and gambling…and gay marriage…just not on economic policy matters which is where the crux of libertarianism lies.
He labels himself libertarian.
If he’s not that then what is he? I agree that he has some statist leanings, but I wouldn’t call him a liberal.
For what it’s worth…
He supports most of the conditions for transition to communism.
He supports the equalization of classes through government intervention.
That makes him a socialist regardless of the measures he would take to accomplish this.
I would say he was a communist, but Marx’s agricultural model is no longer relevant so I don’t think I can label him a communist in the traditional sense.
lim@infinity[/quote]
Ah nothing like massive propaganda.
Yea, that huuugggee tax increase of 3 percent that just restored it to where it was in Clinton’s term. Yea. complete communist. Re engineering everywhere.
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
Ah nothing like massive propaganda.
Yea, that huuugggee tax increase of 3 percent that just restored it to where it was in Clinton’s term. Yea. complete communist. Re engineering everywhere.
Morons
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is a 3% increase moving closer to socialism or away from it?
Is a 3% increase in income tax the only redistribution policy he has supported?
[quote]dhickey wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
Ah nothing like massive propaganda.
Yea, that huuugggee tax increase of 3 percent that just restored it to where it was in Clinton’s term. Yea. complete communist. Re engineering everywhere.
Morons
is a 3% increase moving closer to socialism or away from it?
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It’s back to where it was before Bush cut the taxes and started two wars… which has never been done simultaneously, ever. Socialist? Please.
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Is a 3% increase in income tax the only redistribution policy he has supported?
[quote]dhickey wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
Ah nothing like massive propaganda.
Yea, that huuugggee tax increase of 3 percent that just restored it to where it was in Clinton’s term. Yea. complete communist. Re engineering everywhere.
Morons
is a 3% increase moving closer to socialism or away from it?
Is a 3% increase in income tax the only redistribution policy he has supported?
Genius.[/quote]
What propaganda?
A graduated income tax of any kind is a socialist policy.
If you support this and most other socialist transitions to communism, that makes you a socialist.
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
Full blown socialism means no one in the medical field will profit from their work. Do you understand the consequences of this?[/quote]
The goal of Socialism IS destruction. That’s the goal of the Left.
Yea, that huuugggee tax increase of 3 percent that just restored it to where it was in Clinton’s term. Yea. complete communist. Re engineering everywhere.
Morons
is a 3% increase moving closer to socialism or away from it?
It’s back to where it was before Bush cut the taxes and started two wars… which has never been done simultaneously, ever. Socialist? Please.
Is a 3% increase in income tax the only redistribution policy he has supported?
Genius.
And the other ones are?
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Some other socialist policies include:
Free education for all children in public schools
Centralized national bank with State capital and an exclusive monopoly
State controlled communication and transport
Extension of State-owned instruments of production
Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries…
Yea, that huuugggee tax increase of 3 percent that just restored it to where it was in Clinton’s term. Yea. complete communist. Re engineering everywhere.
Morons
is a 3% increase moving closer to socialism or away from it?
It’s back to where it was before Bush cut the taxes and started two wars… which has never been done simultaneously, ever. Socialist? Please.
Is a 3% increase in income tax the only redistribution policy he has supported?
Genius.
And the other ones are?
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Don’t you watch him? How may examples would you like to see? How did he feel about limiting corporate profits? How did he feel about capping salaries of executives?
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
Boy this thing turned into one big cluster fuck in a hurry didn’t it.[/quote]
Any thread involving that dickless, spineless, own fart sniffing, jackass, piece of wannabe elitist filth Bill Maher is always headed for shenanigan-ville.
Don’t you watch him? How may examples would you like to see? How did he feel about limiting corporate profits?
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With regard to who?
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How did he feel about capping salaries of executives?[/quote]
Fine- just like he should’ve felt when these cocksuckers were accepting (begging for) federal bailout money.
There’s no reason that execs should get million dollar bonuses from tax money- nevermind the point that they put their companies in that position in the first place.
That’s not socialistic as much as it is common sense.
By the way, you and Trib got your own militia yet? Or do you guys just share ideas for now?
should be evaluated to determine if he should receive care to cure him or just keep him comfortable until his time comes, I do not think seventy seven year old smoker should have a million dollars spent on him, just because he has insurance and a 40 year old that is in good health dies just because they do not have insurance.