Bill Maher Gets a Little Edgy..

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]dmaddox wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:

If there was only a single eye witness experience of God, ever, that’s still infinitely more evidence then there is of a multiverse, much less infinite mutliverses.

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We have more than one eye witness of God.[/quote]

Certainly. The point was that even a single shred of even sketchy evidence for God, is infinitely more evidence than that is for infinite multiverses. That’s because there is no evidence at all of a multiverse and 1/0 = a sideways eight.[/quote]

I am not fighting you, just giving extra umph.

[quote]dmaddox wrote:
You have about the same chance, as putting a box of Rolex Watch parts in a building. Then, blowing the building up, and getting a completely assembled Rolex watch when the dust settles.

Not going to happen.[/quote]

Thats like being a trout arguing that the water is so clean here, and it has just the right temperature and there is enough to eat so God created your river for troutdom.

However, if the river were not just so, you would not be there.

You do not know, nor can you know, how many rivers are there, how many would have been suitable for trouts to prosper and so on, all you can know is that because you exist, the rivers must have certain properties.

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]dmaddox wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:

If there was only a single eye witness experience of God, ever, that’s still infinitely more evidence then there is of a multiverse, much less infinite mutliverses.

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We have more than one eye witness of God.[/quote]

Certainly. The point was that even a single shred of even sketchy evidence for God, is infinitely more evidence than that is for infinite multiverses. That’s because there is no evidence at all of a multiverse and 1/0 = a sideways eight.[/quote]

If we follow that line of reasoning, Sasquatchs existence is more likely than that of Jehova.

[quote]pat wrote:
there is zero for the multiverse theory.[/quote]
Actually there is.

But more importantly, do you think that belief in God and belief in the multiverse theory are mutually exclusive? I don’t.

I’m not trying to lean the argument one way or the other, but I will say that the randomness calculation stuff does rely on a massive number of assumptions obviously. Assumptions as to just how random things are in the universe and how random quantum “behavior” is.

[quote]csulli wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:
there is zero for the multiverse theory.[/quote]
Actually there is.

But more importantly, do you think that belief in God and belief in the multiverse theory are mutually exclusive? I don’t.

I’m not trying to lean the argument one way or the other, but I will say that the randomness calculation stuff does rely on a massive number of assumptions obviously. Assumptions as to just how random things are in the universe and how random quantum “behavior” is.[/quote]

Well, no there isn’t actually evidence. It’s a theory of a theory. M-Theory postulates the possibility. Alas, recent developments at CERN has force a reworking of M-Theory. Apparently, the experiment shows that many of the postulations of M-Theory are false. Along with it, many of the dimensions.
Actually, I am a little sad about it. I had work up a neat little theory where jumping streams of consciousness puts you in another ‘universe’, but it seems that the reality we currently perceive is the only one we got. The ‘string’ part of the theory is intact as the basal information for matter/energy.
Dr. Matt, who visits these forums from time to time passed along this information as he was one of the scientists working on it.

That aside, there is no evidence in terms of eyewitness experience or anything tangible that shows it actually exists. I would even accept ‘exists in a mind’, but a theory of it’s existence is not the same as ‘it’ actually existing.

No I do not think, even if the multiverse theory were true that it’s a mutually exclusive existence from that of God.
The big problem for atheists, is existence itself. It doesn’t really matter what exists, just that something does. The atheist necessarily believes that existence came from nothing, or that is a function of itself. Neither are logically possible. Every new theory, if true, simply kicks the cosmological can down the road.
For instance, a theory favored by Hawking and Krauss is that the laws of physics demands something from nothing. That dark energy in a vacuum simply had the right interaction and boom, the universe started… Do you see the problem with that theory? The problem is that in their postulations, they don’t start with nothing. They have several ‘identifiable particulars’. You have a vacuum, space even if empty is something, then you have the laws of physics. Three things existing which owe their existence to something else. It may be a good theory for the cause of the ‘big bang’, but it does not replace something responsible for it. The laws of physics owes it’s existence to something else, as does dark energy, as does a vacuum.

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]dmaddox wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:

If there was only a single eye witness experience of God, ever, that’s still infinitely more evidence then there is of a multiverse, much less infinite mutliverses.

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We have more than one eye witness of God.[/quote]

Certainly. The point was that even a single shred of even sketchy evidence for God, is infinitely more evidence than that is for infinite multiverses. That’s because there is no evidence at all of a multiverse and 1/0 = a sideways eight.[/quote]

If we follow that line of reasoning, Sasquatchs existence is more likely than that of Jehova.

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True, there is more actual evidence for sasquatch than for multiverses. It’s not an explanation for God’s existence, it’s a counter argument to multiverse theory and the faith that people have in something for which there is no evidence, it just simply a mathematical possibility, but math isn’t always a correct interpretation of reality.
Having a hammer doesn’t mean there’s a nail.

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]dmaddox wrote:
You have about the same chance, as putting a box of Rolex Watch parts in a building. Then, blowing the building up, and getting a completely assembled Rolex watch when the dust settles.

Not going to happen.[/quote]

Thats like being a trout arguing that the water is so clean here, and it has just the right temperature and there is enough to eat so God created your river for troutdom.

However, if the river were not just so, you would not be there.

You do not know, nor can you know, how many rivers are there, how many would have been suitable for trouts to prosper and so on, all you can know is that because you exist, the rivers must have certain properties.

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It’s not a ‘God of gaps’ argument. It’s an argument that shows the probability of the order of the base parts of the universe assembling themselves in the order that they did is so infinitesimally small, that you could not mathematically even have a possibility of it happening with the current amount of matter.
Further, the ‘Monkeys on the typewriter’ fallacy doesn’t address the problem of where the stuff came from in the first place. It makes the assumption that things already exist, and then they randomly assemble.
In a word, the argument is terrible.

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]dmaddox wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:

If there was only a single eye witness experience of God, ever, that’s still infinitely more evidence then there is of a multiverse, much less infinite mutliverses.

[/quote]

We have more than one eye witness of God.[/quote]

Certainly. The point was that even a single shred of even sketchy evidence for God, is infinitely more evidence than that is for infinite multiverses. That’s because there is no evidence at all of a multiverse and 1/0 = a sideways eight.[/quote]

If we follow that line of reasoning, Sasquatchs existence is more likely than that of Jehova.

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there is a lot more evidence for God than for sasquatch/yeti/bigfoot. There is evidence that Jesus lived. Whether you want to debate whether or not he was God, then that is up for debate.

there is no evidence of sasquatch. No bones or nothing.

Bill Maher calls Sarah Palin’s special needs child Trig, retarded.

[quote]MaximusB wrote:
Bill Maher calls Sarah Palin’s special needs child Trig, retarded.

Going after people’s kids…Classy.

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]MaximusB wrote:
Bill Maher calls Sarah Palin’s special needs child Trig, retarded.

Going after people’s kids…Classy.[/quote]

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