[quote]gorillavanilla wrote:
I don’t watch Bill Maher’s show but I do love John Stewart’s show as well Colbert’s show. Maybe the christians on here are not vilifying atheists, I don’t know, but the condemning of every other religion by each religion is rampant in much more than threads like this. The pain is felt economically, by exclusion, by tacit bigotry, etc. The outdated model of religion which is nothing more than the evolution of past beliefs we call mythology(another condescension), will die. The new ideals will link into the common group think and most people will say it is the truth and anyone who disagrees will be anathema.
Look at the way religions are evolving. Women are now accepted as priests and reverends, homosexuals are included in the beliefs, single parents are allowed, all races can be included, lions and tigers and bears, oh my! Anyone with any liturgical historical knowledge will know that these things and many more were not allowed 50 or a hundred years ago and more. So, was religion false then and true now. Horse-hockey! The smokescreen will obfuscate the world(group mind) and continue.[/quote]
I think more important than what Religion has become look at what religion has done , it has been a thorn in the side of civilization since it’s inception
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
I think more important than what Religion has become look at what religion has done , it has been a thorn in the side of civilization since it’s inception
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More ultra-myopia from the militant, hypocritical atheist camp. Just in the 20th century, atheism, under the guise of communism, murdered upwards of 20 million people. Some estimates have it as high as 100 million. That’s just in communist Russia alone. How many people the Chi-Coms murdered would push the number twice as high.
Atheists killing in the name of government. Such a peaceful, loving bunch.
[quote]espenl wrote:
And yet they cooperated with the russian orthodox church to have that control over the people.[/quote]
Not all of those slaughtered were Russian Orthodox. There were a lot of atheists murdered. There were a lot of Jews murdered.
But nice try at trying to defend the USSR’s 60-70 years of institutional homicide. I’d love to hear your defense of Hitler’s little rampage. [/quote]
Hitler was catholic, and it was his political views, not his “atheism” that caused the rampage.
I think more important than what Religion has become look at what religion has done , it has been a thorn in the side of civilization since it’s inception
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So funny to hear any person calling any other person hypocritical when each and every one of us vacillates in opinion and belief and actions so many times during life that no one can label an absolute like hypocritical on anyone. Only science which admits it can be proved wrong (unlike religion[absolutes]) and constantly looks to advance and change for accuracy and provable truth is the way to sustain and improve human existence.
[quote]espenl wrote:
And yet they cooperated with the russian orthodox church to have that control over the people.[/quote]
Not all of those slaughtered were Russian Orthodox. There were a lot of atheists murdered. There were a lot of Jews murdered.
But nice try at trying to defend the USSR’s 60-70 years of institutional homicide. I’d love to hear your defense of Hitler’s little rampage. [/quote]
Hitler was catholic, and it was his political views, not his “atheism” that caused the rampage.[/quote]
Your defense of Hitler’s genocide of over 6 million ‘inferior’ people is that it’s okay as long as the people are murdered for political and not religious reasons?
I think more important than what Religion has become look at what religion has done , it has been a thorn in the side of civilization since it’s inception
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[quote]gorillavanilla wrote:
So funny to hear any person calling any other person hypocritical when each and every one of us vacillates in opinion and belief and actions so many times during life that no one can label an absolute like hypocritical on anyone. Only science which admits it can be proved wrong (unlike religion[absolutes]) and constantly looks to advance and change for accuracy and provable truth is the way to sustain and improve human existence. [/quote]
Science is as subjective as any religion.
I like how you defend your religion as being superior to other religions. Just because you call it science does not make it less a religion.
And therein lies the hypocrisy I referred to previously.
I think more important than what Religion has become look at what religion has done , it has been a thorn in the side of civilization since it’s inception
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No civilization without religion[/quote]
There is no religion without civilization.
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Doubt it, even nomadic tribes have some form of it.
[quote]gorillavanilla wrote:
So funny to hear any person calling any other person hypocritical when each and every one of us vacillates in opinion and belief and actions so many times during life that no one can label an absolute like hypocritical on anyone. Only science which admits it can be proved wrong (unlike religion[absolutes]) and constantly looks to advance and change for accuracy and provable truth is the way to sustain and improve human existence. [/quote]
In a way thats true, but that is not really what is meant with “science is just another religion”.
Like it or not, most people treat it as such.
The moment “scientists say” or the “consens among scientists is” some people bow down and pray to the Lord of science, even though the very reason for the scientific method is that more often than not, they are flat out wrong.
[quote]espenl wrote:
And yet they cooperated with the russian orthodox church to have that control over the people.[/quote]
Not all of those slaughtered were Russian Orthodox. There were a lot of atheists murdered. There were a lot of Jews murdered.
But nice try at trying to defend the USSR’s 60-70 years of institutional homicide. I’d love to hear your defense of Hitler’s little rampage. [/quote]
Hitler was catholic, and it was his political views, not his “atheism” that caused the rampage.[/quote]
Your defense of Hitler’s genocide of over 6 million ‘inferior’ people is that it’s okay as long as the people are murdered for political and not religious reasons?
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Mr.Drunkpig,
I think that it cheapens and weakens your argument when you do something like this. It doesn’t seem to be a defense of his genocide, merely an explanation of what was motivating him to do it. I will go out on a limb and assume you are just being purposefully dense and not unintentionally so.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
Seems like we have another crop of bros fresh out of (or in) college and chock full of the brainwashing puked out by pseudo sophisticated professors telling us that scienticism is not a really a religion even though it behaves precisely like one.
We see this all the time on PWI. yawn[/quote]
Mr. Push,
I’m not sure where you’re going with this. The main flaw most find in religion is its’ inability or unwillingness to confront the obvious flaws in its narrative, science is the exact opposite, proof is considered the “deity” in science, and as such is always questioned, in most religions questioning the narrative has been discouraged via burning at the stake, beheading, excommunication etc. I don’t see the common thread, but maybe you could explain it to me. For the record I am closer to 50 than 40 and have never used the word “bro” so please don’t confuse me with the young’uns.
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
I think more important than what Religion has become look at what religion has done , it has been a thorn in the side of civilization since it’s inception
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More ultra-myopia from the militant, hypocritical atheist camp. Just in the 20th century, atheism, under the guise of communism, murdered upwards of 20 million people. Some estimates have it as high as 100 million. That’s just in communist Russia alone. How many people the Chi-Coms murdered would push the number twice as high.
Atheists killing in the name of government. Such a peaceful, loving bunch.
To quote Bob Dylan: “You gotta serve somebody”.
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I am not Atheist . What do we call some one that buys all they are sold ?
[quote]pushharder wrote:
Seems like we have another crop of bros fresh out of (or in) college and chock full of the brainwashing puked out by pseudo sophisticated professors telling us that scienticism is not a really a religion even though it behaves precisely like one.
We see this all the time on PWI. yawn[/quote]
I would not say it behaves like one, but it serves the same purpose.