[quote]pat wrote:
Atheism is a logically impossible condition. It requires you to believe that nothing can do something and as much as you believe that, there is no proof what-so-ever or that even being theoretically possible, much less a reality. In theory, it’s impossible, in reality even less so.
You basically demand that God come down and kick you in the nuts and say ‘I’m here!’ for you to believe it, but shit doesn’t work that way. Anything you want to know, or is worth knowing takes effort. It’s clear your interested. [/quote]
If your god think it is important to be believed in, he should make an effort.
Being an agnostic atheist I cant say for sure how the universe started, perhaps a prime mover. But what created the prime mover? And it it far from a prime mover to a personal god. Maybe one day humanity will find all the answers, but it is not by reading old books.
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Someday…Espy, dear lad…your words of defiance will come back to haunt you.
One of us walks through life with his middle finger in the air. One of us doesn’t. We both are but mere specks but a humbling is headed your way. Count on it.
The fool has said in his heart, “There is no God.” (That’s out of an “old book”)[/quote]
Everybody has a point in their life where it’s between them and God alone. It’s easy to piss on God when things are going good. Things don’t always go good. And when all you have is taken, and everybody turns their back on you and you have nothing left you are faced with a decision. I choose to follow the Lord.
[quote]espenl wrote:
If your god could rise people from the dead, he should rise Hitchens to say “fuck you” to all us atheists
The more I read about your religion the less sense it makes, now there could be a defect in me, but all the same, I just have to try to live a “good” life without a god. I would love the thought of valhalla, fight all day drink all night, much like the training camps I go to. Still, wishing for something doesnt make it reality.[/quote]
He could do anything, he did what He did and does what He does. He gave us the job to say ‘fuck you’ to the atheists. We’re here to do his work. Fuck you is part of it. We have faith, wisdom, logic, and hope on our side, you have wishful thinking.
Leading a good life is hard. As an atheist I can’t imaging the reason for doing what is hard for no reason. Ultimately, they don’t atheists are the least charitable and most selfish demographic. It makes sense though. In the absence of hope and meaning, just satisfy your own urges and pleasures without regard to others. After all we’re just dirt and the worst fate you can have is going back to being dirt and dirt don’t hurt.
…But clearly something about it bothers you. People who truly don’t car, wouldn’t even pursue the conversation. So you care, but you have an arrogance about you where you require God to make a special effort just for you…
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Cue Saul of Tarsus analogy.
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If the Good Lord wants you to do what St. Paul did, I am sure he will meet you on the path to Damascus too.
It’s fine if you want to be visited by God in some fashion, but nobody I know of who has had said visitation has led a very normal, ho-hum life. If you are visited by the divine, you better believe you are going to be asked to do something very difficult and be the victim of extreme hatred. So be careful what you ask for… (not ‘you’ as in push, you as in anybody).
If you are willing to do what Paul did and endure what Paul endured, then ask and you shall receive. As for me, I am to much of a pussy. I’ll meet the Good Lord face to face when the time comes.
[quote]pat wrote:
Leading a good life is hard.[/quote]
Define “good”.[/quote]
Exactly.[/quote]
My spouse has two lesbian half/sisters with partners. What would you say is a “good” way to treat them? Would I cause more “good” in their world by acting according to your book?
Leading a good life is hard, but still if you have good parents leading by example, you usually turn out pretty well. Atheists may be egoistic, but their good deeds are not created from the promise of eternal reward or punishment. Would you act very differently in your life if the promise of eternal bliss or torture were gone? My guess is you would not kill rape or steal any more.
[quote]pat wrote:
Leading a good life is hard.[/quote]
Define “good”.[/quote]
Exactly.[/quote]
My spouse has two lesbian half/sisters with partners. What would you say is a “good” way to treat them? Would I cause more “good” in their world by acting according to your book?
Leading a good life is hard, but still if you have good parents leading by example, you usually turn out pretty well. Atheists may be egoistic, but their good deeds are not created from the promise of eternal reward or punishment. Would you act very differently in your life if the promise of eternal bliss or torture were gone? My guess is you would not kill rape or steal any more.[/quote]
[quote]pat wrote:
Leading a good life is hard.[/quote]
Define “good”.[/quote]
Exactly.[/quote]
My spouse has two lesbian half/sisters with partners. What would you say is a “good” way to treat them? Would I cause more “good” in their world by acting according to your book?
Leading a good life is hard, but still if you have good parents leading by example, you usually turn out pretty well. Atheists may be egoistic, but their good deeds are not created from the promise of eternal reward or punishment. Would you act very differently in your life if the promise of eternal bliss or torture were gone? My guess is you would not kill rape or steal any more.[/quote]
You have NO clue then about Christianity.
You are not saved by “being good”.
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Oh no you di-int!
Any properr Christian can blow that up to 500 pages.
Who knows saved from what? A zen buddhist friend of mine once said “You go trough life waiting, to start school, to start working, to finish working and for death, and then you come to the pearly gates and are told “No, what you went trough was heaven, now it is over””.
If you want to be a christian, fine, but don’t ruin your life over it. Things like celibacy is taking away a lot of what life has to offer.
[quote]espenl wrote:
Who knows saved from what? A zen buddhist friend of mine once said “You go trough life waiting, to start school, to start working, to finish working and for death, and then you come to the pearly gates and are told “No, what you went trough was heaven, now it is over””.
If you want to be a christian, fine, but don’t ruin your life over it. Things like celibacy is taking away a lot of what life has to offer.[/quote]
I have nine children. Where was celibacy mentioned?
[quote]espenl wrote:
Who knows saved from what? A zen buddhist friend of mine once said “You go trough life waiting, to start school, to start working, to finish working and for death, and then you come to the pearly gates and are told “No, what you went trough was heaven, now it is over””.
If you want to be a christian, fine, but don’t ruin your life over it. Things like celibacy is taking away a lot of what life has to offer.[/quote]
I have nine children. Where was celibacy mentioned?
