Biggie or Tupac?

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[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
As much as I like Tupac, he did nothing but repeat and contradict himself. 80+ percent of his songs he says the same damn thing, over and over.

Biggie is the best story teller in rap history, and it’s not even close. Yes he only had two albums, but he had a ton of collaborations with others on their albums, and he did quite a few underground tracks.

Again, I like Tupac and jam everything he did before Death Row ('cause that shit sucks), but I honestly think he’s overrated as a lyricist and story teller. [/quote]

In the words of a white girl, I can’t even, can you not?

Nas is the story telling GOAT.

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[quote]chobbs wrote:
Who’s your preference?[/quote]
What a coincidence, I was actually listening to “Westside side in this Motherfucker”!

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Pac is still the most heart felt and thoughtful charismatic and intelligent rapper to this date. Biggie has the best flow of all time and was a minimalist storyteller which is quite a hard thing to do. I have listened to both all eyes on me and ready to die front to back over 100’s of times. Bigs wordplay and flow is better but I feel and learn from Tupac’s body of work as he was more of an artist than biggie.

Also Diddy had a recipe for success that he used on street rappers to crossover to the mainstream. IE Murda Mase Black rob, shyne who all came after big and had half decent records. Also premiere makes any 2 bit rapper sound good. Guru who I also think could be considered the smartest rapper of all time had some horrid beats on his album after he split from Preme. Above the clouds is one of my favorite songs from Gangstarr.

In short Pac, I listen to way more Nas, Wu, Killer mike and Freddie Gibbs, (ie any madlib produced album). Last year was quite a good year for hip hop if you peep any top ten underground albums of yesteryear they were all pretty good.

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[quote]xXSeraphimXx wrote:

[quote]Whiteflash wrote:
As much as I like Tupac, he did nothing but repeat and contradict himself. 80+ percent of his songs he says the same damn thing, over and over.

Biggie is the best story teller in rap history, and it’s not even close. Yes he only had two albums, but he had a ton of collaborations with others on their albums, and he did quite a few underground tracks.

Again, I like Tupac and jam everything he did before Death Row ('cause that shit sucks), but I honestly think he’s overrated as a lyricist and story teller. [/quote]

In the words of a white girl, I can’t even, can you not?

Nas is the story telling GOAT. [/quote]

Everything after “It Was Written” has been pretty sporadic in its meaningful content.

80% of Pac songs talk about how he was the skinny kid people learned not to fuck with, how all the bitches love him, how he rolled with real gangsters, etc… Pac was a one trick pony. It was a great trick, but one trick nonetheless.

Oh, the best lyricists are Canibus, Mos Def, The Last Emperor, Eyedea and Quelli from Typical Cats.

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Actually, Pac raps about racism, poverty, dealing crack, knocked up young women who resorted to throwing their baby in the trash, his momma, what it’s like growing up as a young thug in the hood, politics, crime, changes that society ought to make in order to improve, an uncle who used to touch him (could have been a fabricated story for the sake of a song), religion, fucking bitches, money, hennessy, pot…
Ghetto heaven, death, being shot, a letter to his unborn

And how California knows how to party

And how he fucked your wife

Etc…
etc…
etc…!!!

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A rose that grew from concrete, that’s what he is…

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[quote]Spock81 wrote:
Actually, Pac raps about racism, poverty, dealing crack, knocked up young women who resorted to throwing their baby in the trash, his momma, what it’s like growing up as a young thug in the hood, politics, crime, changes that society ought to make in order to improve, an uncle who used to touch him (could have been a fabricated story for the sake of a song), religion, fucking bitches, money, hennessy, pot…
Ghetto heaven, death, being shot, a letter to his unborn

And how California knows how to party

And how he fucked your wife

Etc…
etc…
etc…!!![/quote]

Guess you don’t realize you basically repeated yourself a couple of times… and while he rapped about all of that shit, he repeated himself ad naseum.

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Tupac also had the quote “they all make me out to be a thug, so that’s what I’ll be”. He said this while all he rapped about was doing thug shit and had “thug life” tatted on his belly, which he somehow confused for his chest…

He also said “I may leave New York, but New York will never leave me” then as soon as he could make money off of it, it was “westside 'til I die” and “fuck the east coast”.

I could go on, but you get the point. Again, I like Pac’s music (particularly his earlier through mid-run stuff) but he’s not the lyrical and social genius people make him out to be.

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[quote]Spock81 wrote:
Actually, Pac raps about racism, poverty, dealing crack, knocked up young women who resorted to throwing their baby in the trash, his momma, what it’s like growing up as a young thug in the hood, politics, crime, changes that society ought to make in order to improve, an uncle who used to touch him (could have been a fabricated story for the sake of a song), religion, fucking bitches, money, hennessy, pot…
Ghetto heaven, death, being shot, a letter to his unborn

And how California knows how to party

And how he fucked your wife

Etc…
etc…
etc…!!![/quote]

If there is a ghetto heaven, he is in it

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[quote]cyruseven75 wrote:
maybe because my roots are in NY.

just like his flow. my top Emcee’s rakim, black thought, mos def, guru…

Warning is in the discussion for best rap all time

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[quote]MickyGee wrote:
Forty waterrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr[/quote]

Oooooh

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[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
I could go on, but you get the point. Again, I like Pac’s music (particularly his earlier through mid-run stuff) but he’s not the lyrical and social genius people make him out to be.[/quote]

Not saying I’d use the genius label, but his social awareness is kinda undebatable.

Here’s a nice example from during the LA riots of 1992 of what he’s capturing and giving a voice to, in that very particular context

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[quote]chillain wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
I could go on, but you get the point. Again, I like Pac’s music (particularly his earlier through mid-run stuff) but he’s not the lyrical and social genius people make him out to be.[/quote]

Not saying I’d use the genius label, but his social awareness is kinda undebatable.

Here’s a nice example from during the LA riots of 1992 of what he’s capturing and giving a voice to, in that very particular context

[/quote]

A lot of people were doing that. KRS ONE, Guru, Tribe, De La, etc… were bringing human issues to the masses. That’s not trying to take away from what Tupac did, but him constantly getting painted as his day’s Marvin Gaye is a little silly to me.

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[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]xXSeraphimXx wrote:

[quote]Whiteflash wrote:
As much as I like Tupac, he did nothing but repeat and contradict himself. 80+ percent of his songs he says the same damn thing, over and over.

Biggie is the best story teller in rap history, and it’s not even close. Yes he only had two albums, but he had a ton of collaborations with others on their albums, and he did quite a few underground tracks.

Again, I like Tupac and jam everything he did before Death Row ('cause that shit sucks), but I honestly think he’s overrated as a lyricist and story teller. [/quote]

In the words of a white girl, I can’t even, can you not?

Nas is the story telling GOAT. [/quote]

Everything after “It Was Written” has been pretty sporadic in its meaningful content.

80% of Pac songs talk about how he was the skinny kid people learned not to fuck with, how all the bitches love him, how he rolled with real gangsters, etc… Pac was a one trick pony. It was a great trick, but one trick nonetheless.

Oh, the best lyricists are Canibus, Mos Def, The Last Emperor, Eyedea and Quelli from Typical Cats.[/quote]

Sekou Story
Fetus
Small world
Who killed it
Get down
Rewind
Live Now
Last words
2nd childhood

etc…

Nas can easily make a rap similar to Pac or Big but, they could not do what he does. Rapping the story in reverse, point of view of a gun, a fetus. The man is a genius.

listen to these in order:

Fetus
Poppa Was a Playa
Ok You wanna play rough
Blaze a 50
Drunk By Myself
Undying Love
Amongst Kings

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[quote]maverick88 wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]xXSeraphimXx wrote:

[quote]Whiteflash wrote:
As much as I like Tupac, he did nothing but repeat and contradict himself. 80+ percent of his songs he says the same damn thing, over and over.

Biggie is the best story teller in rap history, and it’s not even close. Yes he only had two albums, but he had a ton of collaborations with others on their albums, and he did quite a few underground tracks.

Again, I like Tupac and jam everything he did before Death Row ('cause that shit sucks), but I honestly think he’s overrated as a lyricist and story teller. [/quote]

In the words of a white girl, I can’t even, can you not?

Nas is the story telling GOAT. [/quote]

Everything after “It Was Written” has been pretty sporadic in its meaningful content.

80% of Pac songs talk about how he was the skinny kid people learned not to fuck with, how all the bitches love him, how he rolled with real gangsters, etc… Pac was a one trick pony. It was a great trick, but one trick nonetheless.

Oh, the best lyricists are Canibus, Mos Def, The Last Emperor, Eyedea and Quelli from Typical Cats.[/quote]

Sekou Story
Fetus
Small world
Who killed it
Get down
Rewind
Live Now
Last words
2nd childhood

etc…

Nas can easily make a rap similar to Pac or Big but, they could not do what he does. Rapping the story in reverse, point of view of a gun, a fetus. The man is a genius.

listen to these in order:

Fetus
Poppa Was a Playa
Ok You wanna play rough
Blaze a 50
Drunk By Myself
Undying Love
Amongst Kings
[/quote]

I own every Nas album. I don’t mean I have 'em on my ipod or computer, I mean I have physically purchased all of his albums and have them on cd. I love his music and think he’s the best commercial rapper alive, but still believe his meaningful content dropped after It Was Written.

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Forgot to add that “I gave you power” is one of the dopest songs ever written, regardless of genre.

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All chitter chatter aside, I just want to talk about rap music…

I miss nate dogg.
Nobody ever really talks about how they miss him, but I miss him. Chorus’s just ain’t the same.

Also, was in this band 213… Those songs were so catchy

And I highly recommend everyone listens to rap god when they do their barbell hip thrust drop sets because it will make you invincible

Um, what else…
The song from the Django unchained soundtrack with james brown and 2pac is also good for drop sets of any kind
Am I wrong cause I wanna get it on till I die
k

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[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
A lot of people were doing that. KRS ONE, Guru, Tribe, De La, etc… were bringing human issues to the masses.[/quote]

Public Enemy gets honorable mention here, as well