[quote]D Public wrote:
i never tried it. There are quite a few people who have had success using it, so it’s probably quite good…I remember seeing a guy with a training log in the training log forum who was using it with good results…
another mistake i should mention to you is…Don’t doubt yourself or your routine once you have found what works for you…if you switch routines too often as a beginner that can really mess you up…it’s best to stick with something for a long time…
Now if your not making gains then there is something wrong, and you need to figure out what it is…and thats where finding what works for you comes into play…
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is 8 weeks not enough to change a program? i thought it was about variety. i gained some good amount in the program. after SS, i tried OVT for maybe 2 weeks and didn’t liked it, anti-bodybuilding training for another 2-4weeks can’t remember, made some good gains in terms of weight used, and then this, layne’s program, i’m on week 7 now and i’m liking it. I made some good gains in terms of measurements of bodyparts and weights used in power days, hypertrophy days not so much progression on weights, i just try to do it in terms of reps. so yeah, i don’t know if i’ll still stick with it because i think that maybe my body has adapted. i don’t know
Tried TBT for a month, only time everything stalled (maybe just me but never again)
Didn’t get into deadlifting techniques early enough
Didn’t train calves hard/frequently
Ignored stretching for the first year thinking weights would take care of everything…
Didn’t learn good benchpress technique
Listened to the ‘form police’ too much
Thought the foam roller was for pussies
Ignored specific core training, especially side-bridging (I consider that rehab/prehab rather than specific training)
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what do you mean by form police and specific core training? abs? and yeah dude my bench press technique is still not that good. quite hard to perfect it.
[Imquote]cook wrote:
is 8 weeks not enough to change a program? i thought it was about variety. i gained some good amount in the program. after SS, i tried OVT for maybe 2 weeks and didn’t liked it, anti-bodybuilding training for another 2-4weeks can’t remember, made some good gains in terms of weight used, and then this, layne’s program, i’m on week 7 now and i’m liking it. I made some good gains in terms of measurements of bodyparts and weights used in power days, hypertrophy days not so much progression on weights, i just try to do it in terms of reps. so yeah, i don’t know if i’ll still stick with it because i think that maybe my body has adapted. i don’t know[/quote]
I would continue…why stop if you are making gains?
Does layne switch to a new program every 2-4 weeks? Does ronnie coleman? Jay?
No, they stay with something that is pretty consistant…sometimes they may switch exercises, but they have key lifts they keep in
There is no perfect program out there…bodybuilding is a long term commitment of eating a lot and progressively trying to get stronger…
Form police; those guys who dress for the gym, been there for years, lifting the same weights the same way, aren’t actually anything to care about size/looks wise (but you don’t realize all this straight away, till you’re going past them in the gym in everything), who say some of the following,
…come up to you and say that “those good mornings are no good”
…that’s not the way you do (INSERT exercise X)
…that’s not really how you do (INSERT exercise X)
…I don’t know what you’re trying to achieve doing something like that
Form police.
This flip side is when the biggest guy in the gym comes over to help out, give advice, and he’s encouraging and talking about ‘different’ ways to change exercise X for said effect, listen. That really helped.
Actually for core training I always include hip abductors/flexors, as well as all abs.
[quote]D Public wrote:
[Imquote]cook wrote:
is 8 weeks not enough to change a program? i thought it was about variety. i gained some good amount in the program. after SS, i tried OVT for maybe 2 weeks and didn’t liked it, anti-bodybuilding training for another 2-4weeks can’t remember, made some good gains in terms of weight used, and then this, layne’s program, i’m on week 7 now and i’m liking it. I made some good gains in terms of measurements of bodyparts and weights used in power days, hypertrophy days not so much progression on weights, i just try to do it in terms of reps. so yeah, i don’t know if i’ll still stick with it because i think that maybe my body has adapted. i don’t know[/quote]
I would continue…why stop if you are making gains?
Does layne switch to a new program every 2-4 weeks? Does ronnie coleman? Jay?
No, they stay with something that is pretty consistant…sometimes they may switch exercises, but they have key lifts they keep in
There is no perfect program out there…bodybuilding is a long term commitment of eating a lot and progressively trying to get stronger…
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okay okay. i would just change some of the exercises. thanks for the input bro
form police! lol.i get it, there’s no shits like that in our gym because almost everyone don’t do the proper form. there’s just a select few. and i’m one of those that are learning the proper form
I spent a few years lifting, doing what I should have been in the gym, but not putting forth any real effort with my food. I never stopped and considered why I wasn’t losing any weight. But then I went to the 2008 NSCA National Conference thinking I’d get some amazing, ground breaking information on fat loss.
Guess how much I got? Not a word. Not one speaker there said anything about fat loss.
I quickly realized that fat loss is such a mundane, boring topic and its so easy that no professional in the world of athletics has to think about it. I already knew what I had to do. I’d known all along. I just had to actually do it.
So, a little over a year later, I’m down nearly 70lbs and a lot stronger. I went from a size XL shirt to a medium, and my waist size went from 42" to 34". Fuck grains! Long live Prowler sprints!
[quote]cook wrote:
form police! lol.i get it, there’s no shits like that in our gym because almost everyone don’t do the proper form. there’s just a select few. and i’m one of those that are learning the proper form[/quote]
This is where you missed his point. Form is only “proper” if it applies to your goals.
My biggest mistake: Not paying attention to imbalances. Partial tears in both sides of my groin taught me my lesson.
I spent a few years lifting, doing what I should have been in the gym, but not putting forth any real effort with my food. I never stopped and considered why I wasn’t losing any weight. But then I went to the 2008 NSCA National Conference thinking I’d get some amazing, ground breaking information on fat loss.
Guess how much I got? Not a word. Not one speaker there said anything about fat loss.
I quickly realized that fat loss is such a mundane, boring topic and its so easy that no professional in the world of athletics has to think about it. I already knew what I had to do. I’d known all along. I just had to actually do it.
So, a little over a year later, I’m down nearly 70lbs and a lot stronger. I went from a size XL shirt to a medium, and my waist size went from 42" to 34". Fuck grains! Long live Prowler sprints! [/quote]
Congrats on the weight loss, bro. Now GET THAT T-SHIRT BACK TO A SIZE XL!
Listening to my coaches who knew very little in terms of weight lifting and nutrition. I should have done my due diligence, but I thought they would know best. I remember when I first got some ZMA. I felt great after a couple of days. I told my COLLEGE STRENGTH AND CONDITIONING COACH that maybe we all should try this out. He went home asked his NUTRITIONIST wife and the next day told me that I was wasting my money. When I think back about how much better I could have been it pisses me off. This is why I bend over backwards to help the youngsters.
Not keeping a training log. Unless you are continually lifting more weights/getting more reps you are NOT progressing.
Not keeping a food log. Some foods and protein powders don’t work for me. I need about 4,000k to gain. It took me way too long to figure that out.
Not doing enough soft tissue work early. I hurt my shoulder early on and have hypermobility issues. Soft tissue work helps a lot as does foregoing benching.
As a beginner I think I didn’t read enough from intelligent coaches, I certainly didn’t have access to a site like T Nation back then (and I’m not that old perhaps around the average age of people on this site).
My mum bought my first set of dumbbells and I only did curls at 14, I wish I had read more into better exercises.
Around 21 I bought a weights set of about 100kg with barbells/dumbbells and all adjustable weights, I wish I had just joined a decent gym and gotten consistent. The weights collected dust. I still use them whenever I go home to Australia but it’s a home hazard in the meantime.
Doing way too much cardio classes in the beginning, should of just stuck to the weights. Could have skipped my wife’s advice on doing yoga and pilates too, and stuck to the weights. Stick to the weights.
Only this year have I managed to manipulate my diet better. Way too many simple useless carbs in the beginning, overeating, gosh - just fix your diet, stay disciplined and every hour in the weight room will be better spent.
