Speaking strictly with respect to bodyweight, the type of food matters not one bit. Once one accounts for the TEF, a calorie is indeed a calorie.
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Professor ate 80% Twinkies and snack cakes and lost 27lbs. ALL of his blood markers (sugar, HDL, Ldl, Trigs) improved. For the general population that doesnât exercise at all. Calories are of supreme importance.
Yeah, but what they donât say is that he lost 5 lb of LBM in this and barwly cracked 25% fat. SoâŠfucking stupid. Of course if you cut food intake by 30% of your total calories youâll lose weight.
Additionally, there are other markers of health, not just cholesterol and triglycerides. Markers of inflammation and a ton of other things matter in âhealthâ.
This story absolutely pissed me off when it came out because it doesnât tell you anything new (chopping calories to 66% of your intake means you lose weighâŠno shit), and I viewed it as irresponsible to panderâhow many people went âwell shit I can get lean eating junk food, throw my my twinkies!â after this? I personally ran into about 10 people since that story who uaed it in conversation with me to try to justify shit diets.
Also, something I was tipped onto was that reports of his behavior were that it altered during the dietâhe couldnât focus, repeatedly lost his train of thought in class, etc. So I suppose if you want your mental capacity to drop as well as your lean body massâŠgreat.
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We are talking about population health. Not bodybuilding or optimal health. @Zeppelin795 asked why Americans are fatter. They eat more calories.
The French eat double the saturated fat and have higher smoking rates (French paradox). They have less heart disease and cancer than Americans.
Body fat functions like an endocrine organ, too much fat exacerbates metabolic syndrome. It affects how incoming calories are metabolized and stored, anabolic hormone levels, inflammation etcâŠ
If you take a fat guy and cut calories by 30 percent and lower his waste circumference and fix lipids and insulin resistance his chances for all-cause morbidity go down. That canât be argued.
Your reaction to this guyâs experiment is exactly why it needed done. The professor asked his nutrition students what would happen if he ate a hypocaloric diet based on trans/saturated fats, high fructose corn syrup, refined grains etc⊠Their hypothesis was that he would lose weight and screw up every other health marker.
Thatâs what the professor thought would happen also. If you read studies about those compounds in rats and some limited work in humans all signs point to them being poison (when eaten in surplus). But for this N=1 experiment eating these âpoisonsâ in a deficit didnât harm the markers tracked.
At no point did the professor recommend anyone eat this way. He regrets it got labeled a âdietâ when it was an âexperimentâ. He said if he knew it would have got as publicised as it did he would have made it a much more controlled experiment. It was for the class only.
He tested a hypothesis and found unexpected results⊠Thatâs good. Thatâs science. Extended interview below (ignore the hokey low carb host⊠the professor is not the hucksters they make him out to be on the news. He isnât selling anything).
http://www.thelivinlowcarbshow.com/shownotes/2920/dr-mark-haub-episode-424/
Iâm aware of these things, and I donât disagree with you. Zep was off his rocker like usual.
Thoroughly disagree. My primary beef isnât with the âschool projectâ portion. It was with the media reporting it as widely as they did. We all know that if you eat less calories youâll lose weight.
Well the media gets it wrong both ways. When they demonize âsugarâ or âwheatâ as the thing that makes people fat and sick. Theyâre missing the point. If I lock you in a room and feed you 500 calories of sugar per day you will lose weight and starve to death eventually.
Calorie balance is the #1 most important thing. Remember I posted all this to a claim of âfood is information calories donât matterâ.
I do, which is why Iâm not making any attempt to debate with you. I support your posts against Zeps foolishness (If youâll note, in my vent on that diet debacle i also referred to the fact that calories matter and everybody knows it). I used that post to vent on the topic.
So 1,000 calories of soda has the same effect on bodyweight as 1,000 calories of broccoli?
broccoli has other components, micronutrients, that will have an affect on general health, and can impact weight of course. If your digestion sucks, your processing of calories will be altered. But that being said, the difference as it relates to bodyweight will be minimal, if thatâs literally the only alteration in oneâs diet. like, if the person is taking in 1000 calories of sugar along with 1000 more of protein and 500 of fat, I donât believe swapping the sugar for broccoli will make a substantial impact, maybe not even a noticeable one for many.
Wow 1 person had some success with it, if it can even be believed. Quick someone call John Berardi and tell him if this new diet protocol. Http://abcnews.go.com/Health/Diet/south_beach-diet-beats-atkins-diet-weight-loss/story?Iâd=12236841 Bulletproof - The State of High Performance
Are we really doing this again? Whereâs @countingbeans when you need him?
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Thanks for bringing up the other points of overall health in this shit diet.
Except for the TEF, yes.
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Probably still sleeping off the hours from overtime before April 15th. Lord knows I would be.
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Iâll have to disagree with you here, but as for the details I donât want to derail even further when we all know Zep is materially wrong.
I ever said calories donât matter but the type of food you eat is more important.
Assuming @Zeppelin795 doesnât object, Iâd be interested in hearing you expand on this.
You didnât say calories donât matter. You posted an article that says they donât.
The only reason food type matters for the general public is that itâs easier to over-consume calories of pepperoni pizza than it is Samon and broccoli.
Every fad diet works because it tricks people into eating less calories. Healthier foods tend to be less calorically dense.
If you take a guy eating 3800 cals of the SAD and put him on 3800 cals of organic home-made everything, he will not decrease his weight or improve health markers. Calories are more important than what youâre eating.
Malnutrition almost doesnât exist in the US. The processed garbage that makes up the SAD is fortified with vitamins to keep murikans alive at least.
Americans are the fattest because they eat the most calories and are largely sedentary. Also because it is culturally ok to be fat in the US (compared to most other nations).
The original premise was healthcare. An obese body is a sick body. Full stop.
Well, thereâs strong evidence to the contrary:
"The word âhungerâ calls to mind thin, starving children in developing countries, but in the US today, the real picture of undernutrition is different. In some cases, children who are obese who are malnourished because they are consuming the wrong types of foods â foods that are calorie dense, but nutritionally poor. It is called âhidden hungerâ and it robs billions of people the opportunity to reach their full potential.
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While awareness of malnutrition in the developing world is high, micronutrient deficiency is rarely discussed in the US. However, it is a serious and growing challenge in all segments of our population, particularly among those with low and middle incomes, who have limited access to â or simply canât afford â the extra cost of essential nutrition.
About 85% of Americans do not consume the US Food and Drug Administrationâs recommended daily intakes of the most important vitamins and minerals necessary for proper physical and mental development.
More than half of American children do not get enough of vitamins D and E, while more than a quarter do not get enough calcium, magnesium or vitamin A, according to a recent Journal of Nutrition study. This can result in a compromised immune system, stunted physical growth, reduced mental ability, chronic disease and even death."