Big Actors Who Can Act

[quote]sam_sneed wrote:

[quote]LankyMofo wrote:

[quote]sam_sneed wrote:

[quote]Paste42 wrote:

Dude the whole movie was a stereotypical joke. X asked for an example of someone huge not portrayed as a muscle head. You’re looking too much into it.[/quote]

I think you missed X’s point entirely. The whole joke in Harold and Kumar revolved around that guys size. So no, it’s actually not an example of a big guy who’s size has nothing to do with the role.[/quote]

Any role that is filled with a huge guy will have to be based on the guy’s size. It’s like if bodybuilders were walking around in every film and no one ever mentions it, how retarded would that be? You know people look at huge guys and think “Holy shit, that guy is huge!”[/quote]

I agree with you on that. I just disagreed with Paste’s logic in the context of this discussion.

I think putting someone bodybuilder big in a role that has nothing to do with his size is just odd. It puts unnecessary attention on him and doesn’t really add to the story. It’s kind of like when you’re watching a bad movie and they add these weird extra lines in that doesn’t further the plot or foreshadow anything. You think “Whats was all that about?”. It just makes it feel off. The people who make these movies probably feel the same way about casting.
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I knew it wouldn’t be a good example lol. I was looking more at the obvious… He was a big guy cast as an orthodontist. Nothing more than that. I had no logic behind it other than that.

No love for Jingle All the Way?

“Put the cookies down…now.”

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]LankyMofo wrote:

You got a ton of those movies in the 80s and 90s. [/quote]

Also…no, we didn’t. Most big guys in movies in the 80’s were either the action hero, the villain or “thug 1”. Not portraying these guys as ‘AVERAGE EVERYDAY PEOPLE’ is what we are discussing. That is what keeps really big guys from simply being cast as the “new doctor on House” or “The nice ambulance driver who isn’t killing people”. Big muscles are still seen as an “abnormality”. Name one single role in the 80’s or 90’s where some guy my size played a role that had NOTHING to do with his muscles at all.[/quote]

So tell me, do you come on here stamping your feet, pissing on the tree to mark your territory ?

I think sometimes we see snippets of your intellect and true character (which is interesting and very worthwhile listening too) however generally you act like a ‘meathead’ or ‘thug 1.’

[quote]O.G. Readmore wrote:
The guy who plays Crixus on Spartacus had some decent size at the beginning of the season, but, like all the actors, he seems to be losing mass fast as the show goes on. The guy who plays Doctore is not big, but he is awesomely lean and has badass definition in his delts.

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He was big in the 1st few episodes. He’s also got a great Physique in The Condemned, not as big as Crixus but pretty ripped. The odd thing is Spartacus looks like he’s getting bigger each episode.

Speaking of, Stone Cold (the star of The Condemned) is a good example of a big actor but not so talented at the acting part.

[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
No love for Jingle All the Way?

“Put the cookies down…now.”[/quote]

“I’m not a pervert! I was just looking for a Turbo Man doll!”

[quote]LankyMofo wrote:

[quote]sam_sneed wrote:

[quote]LankyMofo wrote:

[quote]sam_sneed wrote:

[quote]Paste42 wrote:

Dude the whole movie was a stereotypical joke. X asked for an example of someone huge not portrayed as a muscle head. You’re looking too much into it.[/quote]

I think you missed X’s point entirely. The whole joke in Harold and Kumar revolved around that guys size. So no, it’s actually not an example of a big guy who’s size has nothing to do with the role.[/quote]

Any role that is filled with a huge guy will have to be based on the guy’s size. It’s like if bodybuilders were walking around in every film and no one ever mentions it, how retarded would that be? You know people look at huge guys and think “Holy shit, that guy is huge!”[/quote]

I agree with you on that. I just disagreed with Paste’s logic in the context of this discussion.

I think putting someone bodybuilder big in a role that has nothing to do with his size is just odd. It puts unnecessary attention on him and doesn’t really add to the story. It’s kind of like when you’re watching a bad movie and they add these weird extra lines in that doesn’t further the plot or foreshadow anything. You think “Whats was all that about?”. It just makes it feel off. The people who make these movies probably feel the same way about casting.
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How weird would it have been if Matthew Perry’s character in The Whole Nine Yards was played by Jay Cutler?
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This could be a fun game.
Throw a random bodybuilder into a random movie.

How about Tom Platz as Alan Grant in “Jurassic Park” and at NO POINT does he use his muscles for anything. Well, other than walking and moving his arms and stuff. But NO punching dinosaurs.

Lol, Nards, if I had photoshop I’d be all over that game.

Ronnie Coleman instead of Chris Tucker in Rush Hour.

[quote]Nards wrote:

[quote]LankyMofo wrote:

[quote]sam_sneed wrote:

[quote]LankyMofo wrote:

[quote]sam_sneed wrote:

[quote]Paste42 wrote:

Dude the whole movie was a stereotypical joke. X asked for an example of someone huge not portrayed as a muscle head. You’re looking too much into it.[/quote]

I think you missed X’s point entirely. The whole joke in Harold and Kumar revolved around that guys size. So no, it’s actually not an example of a big guy who’s size has nothing to do with the role.[/quote]

Any role that is filled with a huge guy will have to be based on the guy’s size. It’s like if bodybuilders were walking around in every film and no one ever mentions it, how retarded would that be? You know people look at huge guys and think “Holy shit, that guy is huge!”[/quote]

I agree with you on that. I just disagreed with Paste’s logic in the context of this discussion.

I think putting someone bodybuilder big in a role that has nothing to do with his size is just odd. It puts unnecessary attention on him and doesn’t really add to the story. It’s kind of like when you’re watching a bad movie and they add these weird extra lines in that doesn’t further the plot or foreshadow anything. You think “Whats was all that about?”. It just makes it feel off. The people who make these movies probably feel the same way about casting.
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How weird would it have been if Matthew Perry’s character in The Whole Nine Yards was played by Jay Cutler?
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This could be a fun game.
Throw a random bodybuilder into a random movie.

How about Tom Platz as Alan Grant in “Jurassic Park” and at NO POINT does he use his muscles for anything. Well, other than walking and moving his arms and stuff. But NO punching dinosaurs.[/quote]
lol I must be tired since reading that I started to wonder where was Tom Platz in Jurassic Park and felt like looking it up on IMDB.

Trevor Goddard (the guy that played Kano in “Mortal Kombat”) starred in some weird psychedelic movie as some sort of a crazy bodybuilder. He’s dead now and I think the movie is or will be released post-humously.

He was not enormous but had some mature size relative to average. Also had a pro boxing record.

Ronnie Coleman as Lazarus in Black Snake Moan…actually that might have been amazing.

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]LankyMofo wrote:

You got a ton of those movies in the 80s and 90s. [/quote]

Also…no, we didn’t. Most big guys in movies in the 80’s were either the action hero, the villain or “thug 1”. Not portraying these guys as ‘AVERAGE EVERYDAY PEOPLE’ is what we are discussing. That is what keeps really big guys from simply being cast as the “new doctor on House” or “The nice ambulance driver who isn’t killing people”. Big muscles are still seen as an “abnormality”. Name one single role in the 80’s or 90’s where some guy my size played a role that had NOTHING to do with his muscles at all.[/quote]

Junior.


Has anyone mentioned Adewale Akinnuoye-Agbaje?

[quote]VTBalla34 wrote:
Has anyone mentioned Adewale Akinnuoye-Agbaje?
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He used to be a pretty big modda-fuckah. His boy Chuck Zito from OZ used to have some size on him too.

[quote]LankyMofo wrote:

[quote]sam_sneed wrote:

[quote]Paste42 wrote:

Dude the whole movie was a stereotypical joke. X asked for an example of someone huge not portrayed as a muscle head. You’re looking too much into it.[/quote]

I think you missed X’s point entirely. The whole joke in Harold and Kumar revolved around that guys size. So no, it’s actually not an example of a big guy who’s size has nothing to do with the role.[/quote]

Any role that is filled with a huge guy will have to be[/quote] Why? Those of us who aren’t bouncers didn’t get our jobs because of our size and we don’t have to act tough all day long or something. I don’t get it, does every movie character who doesn’t look like a stickman be some kind of stereotype? [quote] based on the guy’s size. It’s like if bodybuilders were walking around in every film and no one ever mentions it, how retarded would that be? You know people look at huge guys and think “Holy shit, that guy is huge!”[/quote] I disagree… Before I knew about training and had some idea of what big people look like and what the different muscles were, I hardly noticed that someone was huge compared to the others… No joke. It just didn’t register, or at least not fully. Regular people notice leanness more than anything else… A hint of abs/bis/chest = “buff”.
Those who do realize that somebody is huge or just larger than average apparently run off to their computers, log into youtube and then make “STEROIDZZZZ!!!” comments.

I just think it would be nice if people got used to seeing larger guys every now and again (and gals, why not… Not talking about Miss. BB Olympia or anything, but you rarely get actresses with well-trained bodies… Many of those who do train to some degree rarely look like our Vixens here, often just get so lean that they look like fucking aliens… Look at some shots of Madonna, though I guess they may have been altered. There’s one where her arms show more veins than those of MacGrath, and you can tell she’s mostly dead-skinny with a hint of muscle).

Making the larger look “socially acceptable” (i.e. people consider it normal that there are a bunch of others around who train seriously and are otherwise like everyone else) is only possible through the media… And imo key to doing away with a lot of stereotypes and prejudice… Maybe even eventually making health insurance companies consider us as a sub-group so we don’t fall under the “fat rules” and have to pay extra… Co-workers and bosses may become more accepting when it comes to food at the job or whatever.
All because it would no longer be considered “strange” to be/want to be larger.

Hey, not just bodybuilders, just bigger guys in general… And why should attention be drawn to their size all the time? They can wear regular baggy clothes and whatnot and just… Be there and play regular people, why the hell not?
If it’s some character in a show who shows up repeatedly or even a main char, then of course you could have a scene of him training or maybe him talking to somebody else about training a little, maybe eat more often/more than the other characters and sort of hint at that, but why should he automatically get some macho-role?

[quote]sam_sneed wrote:

[quote]LankyMofo wrote:

[quote]sam_sneed wrote:

[quote]Paste42 wrote:

Dude the whole movie was a stereotypical joke. X asked for an example of someone huge not portrayed as a muscle head. You’re looking too much into it.[/quote]

I think you missed X’s point entirely. The whole joke in Harold and Kumar revolved around that guys size. So no, it’s actually not an example of a big guy who’s size has nothing to do with the role.[/quote]

Any role that is filled with a huge guy will have to be based on the guy’s size. It’s like if bodybuilders were walking around in every film and no one ever mentions it, how retarded would that be? You know people look at huge guys and think “Holy shit, that guy is huge!”[/quote]

I agree with you on that. I just disagreed with Paste’s logic in the context of this discussion.

I think putting someone bodybuilder big in a role that has nothing to do with his size is just odd. It puts unnecessary attention on him and doesn’t really add to the story. It’s kind of like when you’re watching a bad movie and they add these weird extra lines in that doesn’t further the plot or foreshadow anything. You think “Whats was all that about?”. It just makes it feel off. The people who make these movies probably feel the same way about casting.
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As I said before, I wasn’t just talking about people who are “bodybuilder big”. But still, you realize that not all of us are Ronnie-sized? Why shouldn’t I be able to play some regular role? In most movies with big people in their classical roles they’re dressed up in ways that draw attention to their physique. I don’t run around in a wife-beater all day, or a loin-cloth or tight clothes… Even Markus Rühl does not draw much attention to himself when wearing concealing clothes… He may be wider than the average guy, but regular people rarely notice that in the street:

http://www.markus-ruehl.de/uploads/pics/zuerich06-18.jpg ← And that’s one of the largest people around. Not what you’ll be seeing in most movies if what I’d like to happen comes to pass.

Maybe people will wonder at first, sure, because right now being big is considered to be a “strange” and “macho” thing. Especially because of the traditional roles large people play in movies. After a few years of seeing larger guys in everyday roles, people will get as used to it as they got to cellphone-grammar etc…

Oh, and then people wouldn’t always have to drop weight just so they could appear in movies… Unless of course the char truly requires it (but then, why use a large actor in the first place…)

[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:

[quote]LankyMofo wrote:

[quote]sam_sneed wrote:

[quote]Paste42 wrote:

Dude the whole movie was a stereotypical joke. X asked for an example of someone huge not portrayed as a muscle head. You’re looking too much into it.[/quote]

I think you missed X’s point entirely. The whole joke in Harold and Kumar revolved around that guys size. So no, it’s actually not an example of a big guy who’s size has nothing to do with the role.[/quote]

Any role that is filled with a huge guy will have to be[/quote] Why? Those of us who aren’t bouncers didn’t get our jobs because of our size and we don’t have to act tough all day long or something. I don’t get it, does every movie character who doesn’t look like a stickman be some kind of stereotype? [quote] based on the guy’s size. It’s like if bodybuilders were walking around in every film and no one ever mentions it, how retarded would that be? You know people look at huge guys and think “Holy shit, that guy is huge!”[/quote] I disagree… Before I knew about training and had some idea of what big people look like and what the different muscles were, I hardly noticed that someone was huge compared to the others… No joke. It just didn’t register, or at least not fully. Regular people notice leanness more than anything else… A hint of abs/bis/chest = “buff”.
Those who do realize that somebody is huge or just larger than average apparently run off to their computers, log into youtube and then make “STEROIDZZZZ!!!” comments. [/quote]

I get comments on my size every day. Usually multiple times a day. The first thing EVERYONE comments on when they meet me is my size. It happened pretty frequently when I was tall and lanky, now it happens twice as much. IMO, size rarely ever goes unnoticed.

[quote]I just think it would be nice if people got used to seeing larger guys every now and again (and gals, why not… Not talking about Miss. BB Olympia or anything, but you rarely get actresses with well-trained bodies… Many of those who do train to some degree rarely look like our Vixens here, often just get so lean that they look like fucking aliens… Look at some shots of Madonna, though I guess they may have been altered. There’s one where her arms show more veins than those of MacGrath, and you can tell she’s mostly dead-skinny with a hint of muscle).

Making the larger look “socially acceptable” (i.e. people consider it normal that there are a bunch of others around who train seriously and are otherwise like everyone else) is only possible through the media… And imo key to doing away with a lot of stereotypes and prejudice… Maybe even eventually making health insurance companies consider us as a sub-group so we don’t fall under the “fat rules” and have to pay extra… Co-workers and bosses may become more accepting when it comes to food at the job or whatever.
All because it would no longer be considered “strange” to be/want to be larger.[/quote]

The problem is there are not very many big guys. If big guys were a part of everyone’s everyday life I’m sure they’d get less comments and get more movie roles, because it would be more “normal”

[quote]Hey, not just bodybuilders, just bigger guys in general… And why should attention be drawn to their size all the time? They can wear regular baggy clothes and whatnot and just… Be there and play regular people, why the hell not?
If it’s some character in a show who shows up repeatedly or even a main char, then of course you could have a scene of him training or maybe him talking to somebody else about training a little, maybe eat more often/more than the other characters and sort of hint at that, but why should he automatically get some macho-role?

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Blame the writers? If the characters aren’t training in the script they’re not training in the movie.

Vin Diesel played a stockbroker in Boiler Room with no mention of his size - is that the kind of roles you want more of?

Have not seen Boiler Room, so no idea. Perhaps.

There are more big guys than you think… They just seem to be concentrated in certain areas and don’t exactly try to draw attention to themselves on purpose… Not saying that we make up half the population of course.

Who comments on your physique? People who know you personally (esp. those who knew you back when you used to be smaller?)… What are you wearing? I get lots of comments by my close and extended family of course, and in my area there really are virtually zero other large people. But if I walk around in clothes like you see Ruehl wearing in the linked pic I posted, even at work etc… People don’t comment much.

This may also be due to height… You are way taller than me. At 5’10 I’m actually shorter than most male people I meet.

Really tall guys stand out way more than short ones… Have you seen the picture of Branch Warren in a long-sleeve standing next to Austin(bicep) ? I don’t recall where he posted it, but there you can see what I mean… Austin is so tall and Warren (one of the most muscular people around, of course more so than Austin and no offense to my buddy Austin here, I know he’ll kick Branch’s ass one day!) shorter than average… And Warren literally doesn’t look crazy at all next to Austin. His arms in that long sleeve even look as if he weren’t anything close to a Mr. O competitor.

Same goes for that old pic of Wheeler receiving a handshake or trophy or whatever from Arnold… Wheeler is standing there in his speedo and in contest shape, and Arnold is practically back to “untrained” status, and wearing a suit… And Wheeler doesn’t look any thicker than Arnold there… Arnold is taller than Wheeler, too.

[quote]LankyMofo wrote:

Blame the writers? If the characters aren’t training in the script they’re not training in the movie.

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I meant they could show a char training once or so or talking about it if he’s some main/recurring char in a show, but I don’t mind if they don’t. Depending on my routine, my sessions only take about 35-45 minutes now, and I have my food prep figured out well enough to be fairly flexible there…
Meals don’t take long to make or are made in advance, eating them doesn’t take long, I can eat out just fine several times a week…

Shit, a shake takes a minute or two to down… I used to think about training way more back as a beginner, used to write out tons of different routines (which I never ended up using haha) etc, but now I only think about training
a) when I post here… Unfortunately :wink:
b) while on the way to the gym and in the gym, i.e. perhaps 50 minutes per training day.

When we have guests in the house, they rarely notice that I eat way more often/more than them and train. I don’t spend any more time away from the house than your average joe, usually.

So I mean… There could be, in some show, some family father who’s a soft 220 or even 250 at 5’10. So what? He can still be a totally normal guy. He doesn’t have to be a stereotypical health-nut, tough guy or whatever.