All those guns in the hands of patriots didn’t prevent China Joe from fradulently becoming a POTUS after blatantly stealing the election, did they?
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US Population 1980 - 230,000,000 / 2020 - 330,000,000
Gun ownership in the US 1972-2020
US gun deaths 1981-2019
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Right @loppar. I can’t believe millions of Americans didn’t put our lives, livelihoods and family well-being in jeopardy by taking up arms against (wait, who, exactly is it you think we should be shooting at?) because of our suspicions of shady election practices and events.
Guns are obviously useless and these laws are clearly common sense.
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That’s pretty meek. We could have prevented government tyranny with all these guns, but hey, I can’t miss a paycheck. This goes against everything pro-gun advocates were saying for decades.
I don’t know, you tell me. The talking point for the last several decades was that the armed populace will prevent government tyranny. When the alleged tyranny actually occurs, it’s bitching on a forum time.
They are useless in preventing government tyranny, as recent events have shown. I suppose it is nice believing that your hobby makes you special. It does not, and you won’t retreat into the woods to ambush Chinese invaders.
@loppar I’m not here to debate your straw-man notions of American gun owners, let alone what you think our priorities should be.
President Biden has made the call for gun control. The burden of proof lies upon those making the case for curtailing a right. I appreciate a somewhat clever one-liner as much as anyone, but that doesn’t mean it is a compelling policy argument at all.
If you think Biden’s plan is good, can you explain why?
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I mean, maybe most are at at least skeptical enough about the election actually being stolen? Suspecting it is doesn’t even imply that one is convinced enough to take action. If one can vote again in 4 years I doubt it’s the tyranny most actually have in mind.
I don’t know
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You moving the goalposts, and it’s understandable as the discussion seems uncomfortable for you.
Where’s the “don’t tread on me”, “the government should be afraid of its citizens” and so on?
As I’ve repeatedly stated here, the argument against any form of gun control is circular - we have guns because we’re free, we’re free because we have guns.
And when pressed, no one has been able to explain to me a plausible scenario where the armed populace resists government tyranny, except when it comes to taking away the guns - mostly some vague notions - stolen from Resident Evil - about protecting one’s family “when the government sets exterminations camps” and bad Red Dawn fan fiction.
Per polls, a large number of Republican voters believe that the 2020 election was stolen. Where are all those patriots? Posting angrily on Facebook? Sharing clips of Biden falling down repeatedly?
Gun ownership without gun control is pandering to an expensive hobby of a group of gun owners, a hobby that makes them feel morally superior and special. Has the fact that you bought another gun somehow adversely influenced the decision of the Dems/Lizard People to count fradulent votes? It did not?
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How about writing our congressmen to indicate our support of things like Voter ID and opposing things like mailing a ballot to every person alive or dead on the voter roll? How about voting with these priorities in mind on the next opportunity? You know (or maybe you don’t), The American Way?
The rest of your post is straw-man nonsense and probably has some projection mixed in for good measure. None of it represents a compelling case whatsoever for Biden’s stated agenda.
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It almost seems like you’re taunting 2nd rights enthusiasts for remaining peaceful even if they are skeptical about this election.
Believing they have this right, and must maintain that right for their given reasons, doesn’t mean they’re looking to jump at the first opportunity/resort. Or the second, or even the third.
Looking at homicide stats…Doesn’t seem to me that the MAGAtards everyone pictures make up much of the gun offenders.
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I live in MAGA country. I assure you, it’s very safe. No civil war about to break out.
Look, the idea that the election was stolen stupid and s smells like sore loser disbelief. But, it doesn’t mean that as a general rule most of these fellow citizens see it even remotely at a last resort level. They still have candidates, representatives, and elections.
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I agree completely with the list of actions you’ve listed above.
I’ve lived in Lynchburg VA where the people I’ve worked with were shocked that I wasn’t making my own shotgun ammo. I went to the range with them regularly, and each time they explained to them that, should the unthinkable happen, Al Gore’s plans to establish a socialist dictatorship will inevitably fail because of the 12th gun they’ve recently bought.
Why didn’t anything happen in 2020?
I’m genuinely interested to find out what that scenario/opportunity would be. I’m not being sarcastic.
Of course. They’re hobbyists.
I have lived among the right for a significant portion of my life. I have yet to meet one that said Gore, Obama, or Biden were the last straw requiring the last resort.
I don’t know a single individual waiting with finger on the trigger, who thinks like the individual you portray. More like like a desperate last resort, if anything.
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Then I’m baffled as to why they always get thrust up to the front and center in these conversations.
When I look at where gun violence goes down, committed by who, upon who…
I don’t know man. Seems odd.
And @loppar , I believe you experienced something to leave that impression. Not calling you a liar. I’m more apt to believe there’s something to your experience. But, my own experience growing up right in the middle of it is very different. Peaceful, if a little rowdy on the weekends.
I think I wasn’t writing clear enough. They believed that the quantity of guns they own was a deterrent itself, and should Gore win he’ll be compelled to rein his socialist excesses due to fear from patriotic gun owners. I understand that many people believed this line has been crossed in 2020.
Again, when I was inquiring about a hypothetical “government scenario” that would compel them to act, I didn’t get an answer.
You’re reasonable and discuss in good faith?
Maybe they can’t give one. That’s a good thing, not a bad thing. Gotta go cook some supper!
IMO this is modern gun ownership in america in a nutshell. Guns are for hobbyists, criminals, recreation, and for weird gravy seal doomsday fetishes. Uses like successful personal protection, and cheap meat to survive are very rare exceptions and would easily be unchanged even with draconian gun laws.
The reasons for the founders making gun ownership a right have long since passed by the wayside and it shouldn’t be a right anymore.
That said, guns are fun. They shouldn’t be illegal. But they the standard for owning one and getting ammo should be MUCH higher IMO.
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You are right here. I am not for gun control. I think you could make an argument on more guns will lead to more non involved people’s deaths, but so do a lot of other things (allowing high powered sports cars, alcohol legalization, tobacco / cannabis legalization). It seems inconsistent to me to think we should allow the latter items, but not the former. You could argue that we shouldn’t have the latter items, but then we would have to disagree as I am not a fan of nanny state stuff.
On this topic, I don’t really agree with the Dems.
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Should a person have to be reasonable to own guns? If not, what guns should an unreasonable person be allowed to own.
Cough… Cough…
At the least I’d hope our gun laws require the owner to be a “reasonable person”.
I realize this is a partial derail, but when I first saw the story the other week I was actually going to revive the ‘Gun Policy in the USA’ thread with this article. I hesitated because I thought everyone would groan and say, ‘why does that Canadian have to get the same argument circulating?’
It is fairly recent, and now two recents out of the US, at a time when I was actually tempted to post in ‘The Tactical Life’ that it seems there had been a drop off in mass shootings.
Possibly a curious read: