Biden 2021 - A Mediocre Middle Ground

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Demonstrate.

Edit: Link the bill you speak of and explain the part that you find to be racist.

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If the white, Christian countries refused to help us screen travelers for terrorist ties, I wouldn’t call it racist. I would call it common sense. It was never a Muslim ban (beyond the media labeling it that).

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I don’t think doing everything necessary to win is ethical in many circumstances (even if legal). Some of the things the GoP does to win are untenable to me.

Computer generated voting districts are favorable to me. Obviously, the algorithm would be argued about, but I think if logic is used the parameters could be agreed upon.

Well, we both agree on the ethics of operating outside some lines we should all be able to agree upon fairly easily.

Voter ID isn’t racist at all. I’ve no doubt that most communities across the entire country would bend over backwards to make sure people who needed ID to vote could get it. I’d be happy to do such a thing in my community. And if that remains out-of-reach for some, I’m sure there are many people willing to step up even more somehow to make it happen. I just don’t see anyone being left in the dark in a day and age when a simple facebook post is all it takes to draw awareness to someone in need of something as basic as the right to vote in the USA.

It is literally an idea that nobody disputes, aside from the most cynical and self-serving greaseball politicians currently occupying the swamp.

The racist position is assuming minorities can’t find the DMV or help the people in their own communities who might have difficulty with that.

The pre-2020 mail-in voting system was designed for people who fall outside of those bounds, not everyone who’s ever existed on a voter roll, plus 16-17 year old idiots who have no more business voting than they do directing their own household’s finances.

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For whatever reason I can’t get the link I have which discusses it to open the actual bill. I don’t believe it’s been finalized. So you’re going to have to rely on the articles which say they are attempt to eliminate Sunday voting. A day that just so happens to be a day in which a predominantly Democratic voting bloc most often votes.

I’m sure it’s just a coincidence. It certainly couldn’t be intentional as Democrats are the party of Jim Crow. Just like in Harris County Republicans just trying to make sure every vote counts. Unless we can make Democrats less likely to vote.

This is 110% a State issue. For the same reason election results didn’t need any further investigation after certification by Governors.

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If only Republicans though that they wouldn’t have been suing other states and using the President to intimidate election officials in states.

They can’t have it both ways.

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Possibly because they feel like republicans have gerrymandering on lock at the state levels so they want to do something similar at scale?

I mean I think we can both agree that both parties care first about winning and only a distant second about ethics.

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Is the .gov website down? Here is the link to the bill I was talking about earlier. It is really easy to find.

https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/house-bill/1

Look, I saw Deliverance. I know those folks down in Georgia are a little, let’s just say, behind the times, but I’m pretty sure they know about them internets in most places and especially in what’s left of Atlanta after Sherman’s march.

Many prominent bills can be found on Wikipedia as well. I actually used the wiki link above because of the easy synopsis available to anyone who followed it. I try to be clear about what I’m speaking about.

What articles?

Can you see why this game is getting old? How many times do I need to ask for something beyond taking your word that what you believe is backed by facts?

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I was talking about the Georgia bill…not this.

Right. Georgia has a website and I’m assuming the legislative branch is somehow able to keep it up-to-date.

Please, point me to the racist thing.

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Many Republicans don’t believe it. Many Republicans detest States and worship at the altar of Abe. But it IS 110% a State issue, as is the certification of States’ elections for President.
Edit: You can’t blame anyone for being confused. Almost everything the federal government does is wrong. The few good parts of the Constitution(the first bunch of Amendments) weren’t even meant to be applied to the States, but everyone has been so indoctrinated with “Your First Amendment rights,” “Your Second Amendment rights,” and so forth, that it would be hard to blame people for their belief.

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Page 14. Why make this change? Data shows black voters often vote on Sunday. Hell why limit absentee voting at all? After all this is the way President voter fraud voted. Why should some people be trusted to vote that way and not others? If it could lead to fraud in those groups then they shouldn’t have that option either. Bring the military back from service and make them vote on a Tuesday in November. Disabled people can roll their wheelchair to the polls. No special treatment for these groups. If the elderly can’t get out of bed fuck em.

https://www.legis.ga.gov/api/legislation/document/20212022/198553

Agreed. I was branching off into are the things ethical or not. I’m not a fan of gerrymandering by either side. I would like to have as fair of system as possible. I think our current system is far from optimal in that regard.

There seem to be a series of changes proposed on page 14. I’m sorry if I’m being difficult, but none of these were immediately apparent to me as racist. I even went to the top to get some additional context. This seems to be talking about early and absentee voting. I’ll go ahead and take your word that this bill is cynically eliminating Sunday voting opportunities. Perhaps that’s because of racist motivations, or not. You’re the one saying it is racist. So…

Provide the data that inform your belief that black voters often vote on Sunday, and explain why you think this demonstrates a racist motivation.

Can you see where I’m going with this yet? It should not require dozens of dodgy posts to get someone to explain what informs their belief that someone or something is racist, yet here we are in 2021.

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Just saw it. Far more fucked up than I had imagined based on the cover art, and the review I got to watch it for the awesome fiddle playing.

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In red states. Democrats have it on lock in blue states. You should see the insanely drawn district I’m in.

Absolutely.

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Like I said maybe I’m sure it’s just a coincidence. But put yourself in the shoes of black voters who so often go after church. Who have so often organized and mobilized to go to early voting locations after church. And now the state that supposedly represents you has taken this practice and tradition away. Knowing that this happens and deciding to eliminate it? For what reason exactly? I’m not sure how they should be taking this in any other way.

This would suggest it helps Republicans more. But it’s all bullshit and something needs to be done to eliminate the practice. Not sure what the answer is necessarily, but both sides do it certainly isn’t a reason to continue. Not that you were saying that.

Why? What harm does it cause?