First off, I would be talking about abortion, not all of that other crap. Specifically, why are feminists, who are primarily white and educated, ok with something that kills more black babies than any other race. Followed by, and why are you (black women) ok with it?
Because I really don’t think many people on either side of the issue are really aware of the numbers we are talking about when it comes to abortion and black women.
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Well, first it’s about a woman’s right to choose what happens to her own body, and not allowing the state to mandate that. Secondly, it’s not a baby, it’s an embryo, or previable fetus.
If the fetus can survive without the mother, it should be saved through medical intervention. That is something the vast majority agree on.
But also, my understanding is that it is exceptionally rare for late stage abortions of a healthy fetus/mother to occur… and I don’t think that should be allowed… Which is also something the vast majority agree with.
Some people think it’s about killing/saving babies. Other people don’t think babies are being killed and it’s about a woman’s right to her own body. I think both sides have their hearts in the right place.
You obviously missed the point. You are trying to construct a persuasive argument to find a way to reduce the number of abortions. I would think that even pro choice people would accept that ideally, a woman would be better off not being in the position where abortion is an option. Again, since you missed it, the argument you are making is decades old. The accusation of infanticide by the other side is just as old. Where have we gotten? Nowhere. A different approach is needed, unless you really don’t want to solve the problem.
And the problem isn’t about abortion, contrary to what both sides claim. The problem is unwanted pregnancies. Neither side is doing anything to address that issue. But black women need to ask why, more than any other demographic because they are having abortions at a significantly higher rate than anyone else. And the question is: why does no one do anything about the conditions and circumstances that contribute to black women, and girls, having unwanted pregnancies? It isn’t about letting them have abortions or preventing them from having abortions. It’s about why we accept the reality of so many of them living under conditions that leave them vulnerable to males who have no intentions of creating a family, or even financially supporting their kids. Why have we allowed this to become the status quo among those blacks, as well as other groups, who are at the bottom of the socioeconomic scale? We have created and now maintain a permanent underclass and we use abortion to limit their numbers. But let’s allow the feminists, who supposedly care about females, rant about the wage gap in the higher echelons of corporate America in between celebrating the stunning bravery of a trans woman who just beat biological females in some sport.
In theory, maybe there is agreement on this. (There are abortion advocates that want abortion to be legal up to birth, but they may be a fringe minority.) In practice, this is a very messy and expensive proposition. A 24 week preemie might survive with months of intensive care facilities at the cost that is easily 6 if not 7 figures. Who pays for that? What are the rights and responsibilities of the parents with respect to the baby? If the father wants to keep the baby, can he collect child support from the mother? If no one wants to keep it, can the hospital collect from either of the parents?
This is just insanity. The idea that, instead of an abortion, we’ll somehow induce a premature birth (which essentially forces the woman to actually give birth) or perform invasive surgery to remove the baby, instead of, at that point, having the woman carry the pregnancy to term is f-ed up.
The government mandating what a woman can and cannot do with her own body is insane and f-ed up.
Beyond that fundamental issue are the large amount of women who get abortions for very legitimate health issues. Forcing them to wait until miscarriage or the risk of imminent death, and risk all the associated complications is awful and f-ed up.
The issue of women who get abortions because of poor planning and decision making (cycle of trauma) should be addressed at a socio/cultural/economic level, IMO. Not from a legally punitive level. And don’t gete wrong, I’m not minimizing that very large issue, but their abortions are symptoms, and we should be treating the disease not punishing them for the symptoms.
Blah, blah, blah. We’ve heard it all before from both sides. And guess what? We still have both sides. Maybe, just maybe, that’s how they want it. Because all they have to do is come together and work on preventing unwanted pregnancies, but they don’t. And meanwhile there is essentially a genocide being committed against black babies. But the feminists are busy crying about Palestinian babies. Maybe they would feel better if they were killed via abortion rather than bombs.
Not true. The top reasons are money, not the right time, or not being ready.
Risk to mother or fetal health is never more than 10%. That is with the inclusion of issues with the baby that the mother/parents may not want to deal with.
I would say that 100,000 women getting abortions for very legitimate health issues is a large amount. A shitton even.
I’d like to see a source for that, because I think it’s much lower.
You may be right. The health-related issues included concern not actual problems.
I will try to find it, I have read a few. This one was like a meta-analysis.
I had a few screen shots. Not financially prepared was like 40%
*Another with 10% was over a span of like 3 years but, now I am thinking it is not really legitimate danger to the mother health issues. Including “concern” may be just a way to bump the numbers up.
Yeah, I think a woman claiming she is concerned is not the same as a doctor saying he’s concerned.
I don’t know you personally. I enjoy your posts usually and can appreciate differing views, but I have seen way too many leftist / liberal policies to think they’re actually competent.
And trumps effect on the EPA and environmental law was and continues to be an absolute tragedy. I can point you to trumps trade wars crushing farmers and forcing massive federal payouts to keep our domestic food supply tenable, or his objectively terrible leadership decisions leading to a revolving door of bitter ex staffers and cabinet members, and a dysfunctional government. Don’t forget that trumps massive tax cuts and first round of COVID stimulus led to the federal deficit rising 40% compared to 25% under Biden (obviously more complicated than that).
Defund the police was an objective failure, and both sides agree on that now. As a former DA and AG (back when SF had low crime rates), you might be pleasantly surprised at how “law & order” kamala would be in office.
All that to say, not all democratic policy/people are bad, just like not all trumpian policy is good. There is a lot in the middle.
Was raised in a very strong Dem household… all Union men. I just think they’ve lost the plot entirely. I actually have quite a few classic liberal leanings. Always will. I suppose I should be more succinct.
You did see his recent comments on illegal union busting?
“I won’t mention the name of the company, but they go on strike and you say, ‘That’s okay, you’re all gone. You’re all gone. So, every one of you is gone,’” Trump said.
The UAW promptly filed charges against trump.
Not the same Unions they once were… and Trump is often blustering
They’re just another layer of management now. Basically selling the workers to the employers and managing their benefits.
They do have good training and apprenticeship programs though.
