He seems to speak pretty well to the hardship of a region that was decimated by repeated policy failure (depending on how you look at it) and overcoming the obstacles indemic to such devastation.
And it was actually You that recommended I read his book just not too long ago.
Interesting, huh?
It’s a great book. I recommend it to everyone.
But, his resume is awfully light to be a senator, let alone VP, let alone POTUS. So, in lieu of experience, you would typically want to see massive talent from an under qualified candidate. Do you see massive talent?
You can poke holes in the resumes of all 4 major party ticket members if you want. With Vance, I think it comes down looking at where he started, where he is, and what that says about his capabilities. He grew up dirt poor in a poorly resourced part of the country and ended up becoming a combat correspondent in the marine corps, graduated from a top law school, wrote a best-selling novel, and was elected to the Senate. That speaks to a high level of innate intelligence, excellent communication skills, and a good ability to judge people.
Compare that to Kamala Harris who was born to two PHD university professors, went to private schools in Canada for some of her upbringing, and spent much of her childhood in Palo Alto and Berkeley, and still graduated for a much lower level law school and failed the BAR the first time. Then she opened the door to public office by opening her legs.
Which of these people seems more inherently competent?
I recently saw the movie. Stunningly accurate. His mom was virtually a carbon copy of my sister. Very relatable, especially growing up in this region.
Thats like saying you have to graduate from Yale to go to Harvard.
Where does one begin? Where’s the value in a career politician vs. someone with experience in the real world with a desire to create something better, and the ambition to go for it?
Some people just rise higher and faster. It took Biden way too long to shoot his shot compared to Bush 2, Clinton, Obama, etc.
I don’t value people who’s only way in life has been in politics.
Yep. 
Everybody has their own experience. Hers just happens to be of a privileged brat that talks down to people.
What good is experience if you don’t learn from it?
Thats a guy who knows.
Agreed… But Vance’s experience in the real world is extremely limited, and outside of the book, he was fairly unsuccessful till the Senate campaign. He was a low level clerk, an associate at a law firm, failed at a gifted VC job, failed running a nonprofit, and then successfully ran for senator with HEAVY backing from Peter Thiel. Thiel does see something in him though, which says more to me than his resume does.
As much as I dislike trump, he had decades of experience in 2016. Ross perot, same thing, tons of experience leading a huge and successful empire. All other candidates I can think of had significant political and or business experience, and/or were charismatic forces of nature.
Maybe we’re reading different things.
Tell me what you see. I know its not the bastion of accuracy, but we can call it common ground.
I don’t see a whole lot there, and don’t know a whole lot about professional titles & whatnot (community college dropout 
), but it looks pretty decent.
I know mine looks like a shitstorm blew over it and never quite left, but also that it barely denotes my actual accomplishments and capabilities.
Personally, one of my buddies (actually many friends & family) followed the same template. High school, Millitary, GI Bill, work. So theres a certain recognition and comfort that goes with knowing a lot of people that took that path.
I have great respect for Vance’s path to and through school and the marines. That is something to hang your hat on and a big positive in my eyes.
But after that he lasted 2 years as an associate at a law firm. Peter Thiel then gifted him a job (he had zero qualifications for) at thiels own VC where he washed out after 2 years. He then tried his hand at being a cnn contributer, but wasn’t brought back. He then started a very noble nonprofit, that then failed. And then he 180’ed his political views, and with heavy support from Peter Thiel and MAGA he won a Senate seat.
His professional career is limited in breadth and success, and he was never successful in a leadership role. People on this board have much more successful real world experience than Vance. Especially for the job, it’s not at all impressive.
What has Kamala Harris done that you find impressive and a sign of personal accomplishment?
Swallowing instead of spitting…its quite an accomplishment
7 years DA of San Francisco
6 years AG of California
4 years US senator
4 years VPOTUS
I find that resume to be extremely impressive and full of accomplishment. And if we are being honest, we all do. Reaching any one of those level is extremely impressive. To keep moving up like she has means that she does lead well, and knows how to be successful at every level.
I have some insight into a few of her cases as AG and it was very impressive work from her office (ie successful leadership).
So getting elected? Because beyond getting elected, none of those are “accomplishments.” They are just getting elected and then sitting in office.
She put away a lot of black dudes for smokin weed!
And kept them there!
Having a pre-taped, scripted interview on the clinton news network while having an old white assistance coach accompany you during the interview
thats definitley an accomplishment
Getting elected is a significant accomplishment in and of itself. Getting re-elected is an accomplishment. Doing well enough at your previous level to recieve support to run at the next level is an accomplishment. Her job history is impressive, and it’s silly to argue otherwise. An impressive job history does not mean the candidate will be successful, but it is a positive indicator.
Beyond that, look into her cases and policies as AG and DA. Many big wins (prosecuting enviro crimes, Medicaid over billing, false claims, etc, etc), as well as some failures. But again, she has decades of experience in leading offices and administrations, that means learning from the wins and losses. There is a lot to be said for experience.
Lack of experience shouldn’t disqualify a candidate, if they make up for it with other attributes. What are those attributes that you all see in Vance?
What’s impressive, or not, is job performance. And getting re-elected is easier than getting elected. Diane Frankenstein was elected before the electric light bulb and died in office at the age of 142.
Wouldn’t that be an argument against Vance?
He’s a rich white racist?
I mean, shit dude. Why don’t you just tell us an answer you’ll accept and we’ll say we agree.
You recognize with his background, and you think he speaks to your struggle. So you like his messaging.
Is that the extent of the attributes you see in Vance that make him a great V/POTUS?