Biden 2021 - A Mediocre Middle Ground

I always have to laugh at that.

You know, they left Roe v. Wade as a decision to be overturned For 50 Years with plenty of opportunity to codify abortions while holding majority and never did?

They like leaving that lever of power intact. You can only pull it once, but you can put your hand on it a thousand times.

What do you think the chances are that they (dems) actually do something if they win?

Or better yet, what do you think the chances are that they’ll point at Trump, say he stacked the supreme court, and let it get overturned?

Im going with 0% on #1, and 100% on #2.

Yep…all congress has to do is pass a law

It’s not the Supreme Courts function to make law…the Supreme Courts function is to interpret the law

making law is congress function

Oh, but they’re so concerned! :pleading_face:

Just don’t ask them to do their job about it!

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Those of you in swing states (AZ, GA, PA, WI, MI, etc), how have the political ads been so far? Have they started ramping up to intolerable levels, or is it too early for that still?

What’s an example of how flooded you guys get with ads around election time?

Give it up already.

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I don’t watch any TV, but well over 50% of ads on youtube and facebook are political. I’ve decided to lean into it by reverse donating to campaigns that I don’t like. Ads with a link usually pay for clickthroughs. I make sure to click on every democrat ad that I see. The great thing about that is that my high engagement means that I will see more of these ads in the future. I now get ads not only for Arizona and president, but every swing state Democrat is trying to get me to donate.

I also make sure to skip GOP ads as fast as possible so that they don’t get charged as much.

Haha nice. The pennies add up.

Tough call though. You are also supporting Meta with that strategy… Not that I’m mad, it’ll just help the stock price come earnings time.

They may have learned a lesson from the GoP? When the conservative SCOTUS overturned Roe, it took a carrot from the GoP that they got to wave in front of their base for decades, and gave it to the Dems.

I believe the no matter how much the GoP say they hate abortion, that many (probably most) within the party were not so happy with SCOTUS for overturning it. I wouldn’t have been if I was them.

I haven’t noticed much, but I stick to streaming, so I don’t see what commercals are out there.

Online it’s mostly adds for Amazon stuff I already ordered, or clickbait to take a political poll.

I get flyers for local candidates in the mail occasionally.

We used to have a bunch of houses around here with 300+ Trump/MAGA banners, flags, and signs. Haven’t seen any this year.

I don’t have a landline, so no campaign calls.

I live in a blue state and am voting Democrat, so it’s not that big a deal on my end when it comes to being swamped with advertising.

I see it a little differently. Its case law, so any constitutional conservative that wants the laws to be written the way they were intended to be would be against it. Its the premier example of activist judges legislating from the bench.

There is most certainly some overlap between legal/political philosophy and religious or ethical, which is why whether or not abortion should be legal or available becomes, on an individual level, much more complicated. Personal views on it vary quite a lot, but for the sake of expeditious political identity, most politicians will fall under what ever team color they represent unless pressed to give their personal opinion.

Thats how you get people like me. I say “the laws are laws, and special cases are special cases”. So let the legislators write laws and the judges adjudicate. And when asked I say I’m a constitutional conservative, but socially liberal.

Personally- I think abortion is a medical procedure, not a political expression or religious act of blasphemy. Im sure others feel differently. I don’t care what they think. Roe v. Wade to me is a legal anomaly that could have been solved 50 years ago and learned from if it weren’t for political gimmickry.

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I don’t disagree with you. I see Roe as a bit of an overstep in the 1970s as well (I can see arguments from both sides being valid though). My point was that I think many in the GoP weren’t the happiest about it getting overturned regardless of their beliefs about abortion (either from a legal or moral standpoint). Roe being overturned took away a lever (or diminished it, as now they are protecting the status quo, vs trying to change it) from the GoP.

If I was the Dems, I’d keep promising to codify abortion into law as soon as I get more power (that being a sliding scale haha). It seems like only in recent history has abortion been a strong motivator for democrat voters, I’d use that if I was them (which they are doing it seems).

An optimist says “The glass is half full.”.

A pesimist says “The glass is half empty.”.

A politician says “I’m about to make this 2 against 1!”.

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I don’t see how anyone who believes in the concept of separation of powers could support Roe. The Supreme Court is not supposed to be passing laws. That’s enough grounds for any conservative to oppose it without even getting into the morality of any state or local laws governing the killing of unwanted children in the womb.

I’m sure there are people who are members of the GOP who disagree and support Roe, but I wouldn’t call them ideological republicans or conservatives in any shape or form. Supporting Roe isn’t really compatible with conservatism.

Anyone can vote for any political party, even people who have beliefs that are incompatible with the platform.

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What did the GOP do that was similar?

Trump is pro-fracking…Harris agrees
Trump is pro-Israel…Harris agrees
Trump is strong border…Harris agrees
Trump is strong economy…Harris agrees
Trump is no tax on tips…Harris agrees

Harris is for a Pro-Trump MAGA agenda, Trump is such a great uniter

I think that if the shale gas players hit the throttle and started really drilling and extracting again, she would tax and regulate them out of existence. It wouldn’t be profitable, and the interested parties would lose interest.

Even with another 4 years of Trump, without some sort of reforms or protections in place, thats going to be the goal of every dem that gets into office.

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That one reminds me of the “fact check” floating around that claimed Kamala Harris didn’t bail out violent rioters during 2020.

She merely encouraged people to bail out rioters engaging in political violence on her behalf. There’s no evidence she gave money to them herself. That’s totally different!

Just like she didn’t vote to tax workers tips, she merely passed legislation to empower federal agents to go after unreported tips before copying Trump’s policy of non-taxation.

This reminds me of how a local Democrat city councilman answered the question of whether or not we are allowing homeless drug addicts into our 55 plus senior housing.

His answer was that everyone living at Meadowview was either 55 or disabled, and we were assured that substance abuse disorder didn’t qualify for a disability.

A visit to Meadowview and conversations with anyone who lives there will show that there are a large number of people in the 20-50 age group now living there and that violence, drugs and alcohol are now a way of daily life at our formerly peaceful senior housing facility. It is beyond obvious that homeless drug addicts are being deemed “disabled” and it is beyond obvious that none of the drug or alcohol policies are seriously enforced.

The same Democrat, like all Democrats, will smugly assure you of all kinds of things. He will assure you that drug use is not legal in Maine and that the Church of Safe Injection that’s located downtown isn’t a safe injection site at all. They merely hand out drug use supplies to drug users. Oh and their founder died practicing their religion. So did the guy who took over afterwards. So did every business located next to the “church”.

Meanwhile, you can go shoot up in the park and hang out at the library. Soon we will have public “toilets”, which will become and remain biohazardous drug use facilities within 24 hours of opening.

These dopey “fact checks” and their selective application to advance the insane Democrat agenda that’s playing out in my neighborhood are so past the point of ridiculous. It is really sad that people continue to fall for it, but more and more people can see through the rainbow rhetoric to the pile of social and economic shit that lies behind it…

That’s why they have to cheat to win, like they do in my town where there are always a staggering number of non-citizen voters who can’t speak a lick of English ready to clear the nonexistent hurdle to casting a vote in Maine.

Fact check me standing in line being the only English speaker at the only polling place on the day our property taxes went up by 8 percent a few months ago. Fact check the multi-language voter guides laying all over the place for a one question ballot. Fact check the complete lack of citizenship verification in the entire voting process in Maine.

It’s been a while since we had a poster who is ready to latch on to media narratives that attempt to explain away bad Democrat policy outcomes. You really remind me of @Californiagrown. It seems like you’re on the same page with a lot of things.

I hope you stick around, you guys are fun.

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