The WHO data and the CDC data support that it’s not near as deadly as was presented. Yet we still function on the origional misconception about what this thing is. Even the WHO does not support mandates.
Really? At what point did the whole US have to quarantine, segregate people by vaccination status, and make ordinary citizens have to present vaccination papers to participate in everyday life? At what point in the US history did people have to present any kind of papers to participate in everyday life activities? We didn’t even do that during WW2.
If you are vaccinated, why the hell do you care if somebody else is not? That is just beyond me. It’s so dumb.
And if you want to give up your freedom, knock yourself out, leave the rest of us out of it.
Why are you so worried about what other people do? Maybe you should work on yourself and when you become a completed, perfect vessel, you can start to tell others how to live.
For a person who doesn’t watch the news, you sure do have opinions that completely align with debunked fake news about IVM effectiveness touted by conservative MSM.
No, one of your links showed you mixed up quarantine and immigration centers.
I know it’s hard for self-centered people to understand, but spreading a novel pathogen increases the chances of a deadlier mutation, in turn requiring additional vaccinations.
“Freedom” is not a buffet from which you can simply pick things you like and discard the ones you don’t. But then I guess that is the main attraction of the modern-day childish, distorted, asymmetric libertarianism for spoiled narcissists - this dumbed-down version absconds any personal responsibility, only providing victimhood narratives that turn character failings into virtues.
You should also read up on the history of infectious diseases in the US and corresponding quarantine laws and mitigation. @twojarslave’s State of Maine was a tyrannical tyrannical freedom-curbing hellhole less than a century ago.
On the other hand, how badly Putin and Biden need a war? Their ratings are both down as hell. We all know what politician do when their rating are down. Russia is a KGB lead and they will get rid of Putin as soon as he is not popular and he has a history of starting wars. The Democratic party has shown they can go full nazi and avoid/disrespect any kind of authority. Germany as an EU leader has show they are back to nazi Germany and Ukraine as an European agenda. I have a strong believe we have all the ingredients for a war.
We kind of discussed the ongoing Russia vs US potential war in the office, because it is going to be held most likely by the Black Sea. My miserable country is on the Black Sea and we are in NATO.
You should read up on the differences between local, state and federal government in the USA. Even if I set aside broader social and economic issues stemming from the federal contractor mandate, a federal vaccine mandate being done under the guise of procurement authority granted to the executive branch doesn’t fit my concept of good American governance.
State and local governments, however, have always had more emergency authority. We learn this in elementary school. Your example is apples to oranges. A different time, a different disease, a different level of government operating under a different constitution.
You present yourself as an expert on geopolitics and all people in all places across all of history. Maybe you are an expert on places that aren’t the USA for all I know, but you definitely don’t know very much about America or Americans. You’ve demonstrated this repeatedly.
Anyway, we can agree to disagree. My position is clear. Pro vaccine. Anti-mandate. Anti-lockdown. Anti-camp. I don’t find any of your arguments to the contrary compelling whatsoever.
In fact, I believe the federal government’s job with pandemic management should be essentially over at this point, aside from messaging and guidance. We have our treatments/vaccines. We have our freedom to manage the risk with whatever steps we want to take. Move on with your life, or continue to organize your life around COVID. Your choice.
Covid is a SARS thingie (science term), and from what I’ve read, each mutation should result in a less deadly virus. And SARS is not novel, there’s a reason 3! vaccines were created so quickly; so quickly in fact, that people accused the Orange One of nefarious shenanigans when he was still POTUS.
Also, to the anti-FoxNewsers, when I watch MSM at all, I watch clips of some of the people from Fox I find palatable, and funny; I repeat, actually funny, not hysterical. At least “the right” MSM still maintain a sense of humor for fuck’s sake.
I say this to point out that every time these Fox right-wingers mention it at all when I’ve been listening, they all say they’re vaccinated.
Meanwhile, I watch these vociferous pro-vax, pro-mandate politicians breaking the “rules” all the time.
He knows that some guys at the range made fun of him(or whatever he said) for not (edited to correct) making his own shotgun ammo or something when he was here.
Well, I guess you watch enough to know. You can question is all you want, I don’t watch corporate news. I do use sources that use corporate news and show corporate news clips, but those clips are usually from the left leaning media. And I use a ton of sources spread across a broad range of diverse view points. And there are some actual studies regarding Ivermectin and I said specifically the data is correlational. But of course you gloss over that. Because to have to conflate and obfuscate to maintain a narrative.
LOL… Okay which one of these installations is a “Immigration center”? And is it possible these “immigration centers” are also pulling duty as covid detention centers? Are you trying to claim “Howard Springs” is an “immigration center” or can you at least admit, that is a covid detention center?
Or are you playing semantics, where the Aussie government calls it an “immigration center” and just happens to send covid positive and non-positive people there to quarantine for 14 days. Are you denying this is happening?
You know, we know your full of shit, right? You’re protecting a false narrative that somehow Australia hasn’t gone full authoritarian? That, for instance, the people in the Northern Territory have no been forbidden to leave their house for any reason except for medical emergency? Which means, no 5 KM radius, no exercise, no being outside. Are you really going to deny that is happening?
So, to be free, you must be coerced in to taking medicines and doing things you don’t want to do by the government? That’s not freedom, bub. It’s why the founders intended the U.S. to function on negative law theory. You cannot coerce people into doing things they don’t want done to themselves and claim it’s free.
I don’t see where your analogy fits in here. You’re the one at the buffet, suggesting that people who do not undergo a medical procedure they don’t want, do not get to have freedom.
And guess what? All of us who have gotten this procedure, are still having our freedoms limited. We all knew it wouldn’t end with getting vaccinated. But I got the shot the second I could, because I wanted it. I am going to get a booster too, because I want it.
But the pfizer shot did not prevent my uncle from having to be hospitalized from covid and he was pretty touch and go for a couple of days.
You neatly avoided my very detailed question which was:
Localized, temporary orders have occurred sure. And I am certain you’d be the first to point out that the U.S. has made questionable decisions in the past about certain things. That’s why we’re supposed to learn from history, in order not to repeat it. Not to take bad things and repeat them.
And if this disease was as bad as some people want it to be, you wouldn’t need government orders. People would do what they have to not to get it. Yes, it’s directly proportional to the severity of the disease. We don’t shut the economy down over a cold. And we shouldn’t shut down or compel behavior over a 99.86% survivable disease. Especially when the majority of those numbers are from people over 65.
The reason there is a fight is because it’s simply not as lethal and it’s been made out to be. That doesn’t mean it’s not bad, it doesn’t mean taking unnecessary risks, but it does mean a targeted focused approach is obviously better and more effective than a one size-fits-all policy.
Why do you want a vaccine mandate? You realize that the resistance is reaction to the government’s overreach, right? Most people who refuse to get it, probably would have gotten it eventually if they were left alone.
The reason why these mandates consistently lose is because the system of law in this country cannot compel.
So what good do you think would come from forcing everybody to get the vaccine? Do you think life would go back to normal? It didn’t for Israel.
We have good treatments and we have the shot, the “pandemic” should be officially over, proceed at your own risk. There is no reason for draconian measures. But behavior control is just too tempting and gives the psychos in power so much more power, that they cannot let it go. So it was no surprise “Omicron” appeared right when delta was waning. And there are probably 10 more variants hanging back in the play book to keep sheeple terrified.
It is a little suspicious, isn’t it? Like, I am not in the mood. And war with Russia is a super bad idea.
Biden yes, I don’t know about Putin, I thought the Russians liked Putin?
YUP!
You want a comment on that? For calling it the Wu Flu? I like ‘Kung Flu’ myself. Semantics, we call the norovirus the “Stomach Flu” and it’s not a flu. It’s just labeling, in this case for humor.
A valid observation.
He knows CNN. But he may not know CNN is in flames and burning. Chris Cuomo was their biggest draw… That’s sad. Now, Smollett has accused Don Lemon, their second biggest draw, of interfering in a police investigation. So we shall see…
They aren’t forced to give birth. There are numerous ways to avoid pregnancy. If abortion is banned, many women will still choose not to give birth. They just can’t kill their baby.
you’re making a pro-abortion argument. There are ways women can avoid becoming pregnant, therefore they aren’t being forced to give birth. By being born in America, I’m being mandated to take a vaccine.
Yes, that is true, because a ban on abortion would result in pregnant women not having rights to their bodily autonomy. I think it is consistent to think that if you shouldn’t mandate a vaccine, then you shouldn’t mandate a woman to have to use her body to carry another person. Both mandates are a violation of bodily rights.
