You do know that masking is one of the reasons there is a recall?
My point is Biden making vaccine and mask mandates is too distract from the recall
Not the cause of the recall
Distract who? People in 49 states aren’t voting in California and probably don’t care about California and probably didn’t even know there was a recall in the first place.
Why would he use inflammatory language and blame all the problems with the country on anti-vaxxers and anti-maskers right before a 20th anniversary of the twin towers
And the recall election is on Tuesday
The media will create the narrative going into the election
And this is why Newsom will not lose the recall
And Biden is going there to campaign for Newsome
All politicians do this right before any election, especially for a big one like california…what happens in California will effect 2022 midterms
Yeah, nothing screams distract from a recall as actively campaigning for one of the candidates.
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So to distract from the recall, he makes some serious dictator-like mandates about the very things that helped cause the recall to start with? And to further distract, he goes and actively campaigns for Newsome? He’s an evil genius indeed.
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I think we are past the need for politicians to distract. Spin plus 24 hour news cycles plus short attention spans.
Then we have to be seriously concerned. Joe Biden is pulling a dictator move which is unconstitutional. Shouldnt that vax mandate pass congress first?
Lastly, shouldnt he be impeached for breaking the constitution? Or should they pull the 25th?
We need to be serious first. A nation of fat asses who spend most of their waking hours on social media are anything but.
He is far from the first president to do this.
You mean congress should do the job it’s supposed to do and not defer things to the executive or judicial branches?
He broke it?
Ding, Ding, Ding!!! We have a winner! You are correct sir. This is precisely what this is. And yes it’s unconstitutional, but if the judicial and executive are at loggerheads the judicial has not enforcement authority. His unconstitutional edict may lose, but he just makes another one which will be enforced until that one loses, then rinse and repeat.
What happens when the branch most in charge of defending the constitution breaks it regularly.
I think it’s afghanistan too. That’s a fuck up to large to hide. So why not say something outrageous like “Our patience is wearing thin”. He got that out without stumbling.
Imagine if the media just let it slip who is the most anti-vax and unvaccinated group in the country is? It’s not republicans, nor conservatives, nor governors, it’s the black community, by a large margin.
This is the lie of the media. They are trying to put the focus of derision on a fairly well vaccinated group. The black community is the most resistant to these vaccines, but shhh. You cannot say that. But here it is:
That chart does not show what you think it does.
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What do you mean? I think it’s quite obvious that blacks are more likely to refuse vaccinations in states with almost no blacks than in places with sizable black populations…wait a minute…
The possible silver lining of the vaccine mandate is that it may lead to legal rulings that undercut federal power more generally. Maybe I am overly optimistic.
However, there are a number of issues.
- Does the US Congress have constitutional authority to regulate workplace conditions? It is quite a stretch to get from interstate commerce to workplace safety and all other Congressional powers seem to be even further removed. As such, workplace safety regulations should likely fall to the states, not the US Congress.
- Even if we ignore point 1 and accept that Congress can regulate workplace safety, the legislation creating OSHA is extremely broad and delegates far too much of the detail to the executive branch. This is a problem with many federal agencies and not just OSHA.
- Even if OSHA can exist in its current form, it’s authority to regulate public health is rather questionable.
For these reasons, I am optimistic that court rulings will not only throw out the vaccine mandate, but may also go much further by ruling on parts of questions 1 and 2. This would end up with a precedent that greatly undercuts the authority of the administrative state. We may yet look back and see that the vaccine mandate was the step too far that began the unraveling of the bureaucracy. One can hope.
The link is for data. I gave you access to the data so you can see it for yourself, I am not going to hand hold you into showing you how to collate data. You have to be a big boy and figure that out on your own.
Congress? Potentially… So long it’s not challenged for constitutional muster. But it is much harder to challenge a fully vetted congressional bill than an edict from the president. However, the president can just reissue the mandate over and over again. The weakness with the judicial branch is it relies on the executive for enforcement. If the executive is out of sink with that responsibility, well then Biden can just keep reissuing edits until the other side runs out of money to fight it, which may be the plan.
I am optimistic this will be defeated in court. I am not optimistic that he won’t just reissue it. He did it with the eviction mandates. Change a couple of words and resign it. So I don’t have much hope, I do not trust the government. They have lied way too many times especially about covid.
That KFF data can be cross referenced with % of race per state. It would have been more informative if they did the legwork and showed % vaccinated per racial/ethnic group total imo.
US States by Race 2022
I don’t see any huge lagging of black or Hispanic population, glancing over a few states.
Because you obviously haven’t. Pat is probably the dumbest poster here.
I have only skimmed through this thread but the guy from “Europe” (he never mentions a specific country but sure as shit isn’t England if his English is an indication) seems to be in contention for that belt.
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Pat’s is more of a lifetime achievement thing if you’ve been here for forever. He has a ton of posts on here over years and is pretty notorious for being nuts. It’s not surprising he doesn’t want to do the data work for you as he glanced at the data and it doesn’t matter if it doesn’t say what he thought it did. He has a long history of linking stuff on headlines or glances and then being called out for not even reading the stuff. Then he gets defensive about it, puts everyone who calls him out on ignore, and goes into hiding for a few months.
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