[quote]yarni wrote:
your argument is that if curling isnt considered functional then neither are strong biceps. These 2 things are not necessarily connected. And I dont think that when someone lifts a heavy awkward object off the floor he curls it (not in any strict sense). More the biceps provide more of an isometric hold. Zercher squats are great for strengthening the biceps. [/quote]
Bro your arms are huge… How much you zercher squat?[/quote]
How does a zercher squat help strenghthen your biceps?
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Well if you took a hack saw to someones biceps while they were cradling a loaded barbell - Im guessing it’d fall. I realise that the biceps dont actully hold the weight, but they provide major support to the structure that does (elbow joint). Is this not clear? And remember I said ‘strengthen’ - not pump up for a mirror flexing session
Crystal clear. I ask a simple question and get a wiseass response…I still believe if done correctly your biceps shouldnt be involved, unless they roll onto the forearms, which would be an incorrect way of doing zerchers. If anything I can see the stabilization of the bar working your traps possibly maybe in the same way a farmers walk would
[quote]MattyXL wrote:
Crystal clear. I ask a simple question and get a wiseass response…I still believe if done correctly your biceps shouldnt be involved, unless they roll onto the forearms, which would be an incorrect way of doing zerchers. If anything I can see the stabilization of the bar working your traps possibly maybe in the same way a farmers walk would[/quote]
I asked if I had made myself clear. My points were objective. No point in attacking me because you disagree. And when doing zerchers, the arms are flexed, and it is the biceps job to hold the position. Farmers walks, of course, do not require the biceps to carry out this function - yes both movements will use the traps to stabalise, but many movements cause this to some degree. and of course in one you are walking, the other squatting, one with arms hanging at side, other in corssed front position: I don’t really see how they compare.
The point of the OP was that curling helps us lift things off the floor. I suggested that Zercher squats will strengthen the biceps in a more effective manner for this job, as we don’t ever really curl something when we lift it (in real life). We cradle it, then stand up - as happens with the zercher squat. The point was about functional muscle(not a bicep flexing/jerk off session) No one seems to want to talk about that. Whatever. My feelings are only a little hurt, but Im a big boy after all
Where did I attack you? I just dont agree, I took your response to my simple question as sarcasm layden.
Im not making a comparison to what you are alluding to. Im making a comparison to what muscles besides the lower body ilk can affect and that is why I mentioned the traps and farmer walks, you obviously see the correlation because you stated “yes both movements will use the traps to stabalize” and that was my only point.
Yeah whatever I gotta go flex mah gunz in da mirror and then jerkoff to em lol.
[quote]MattyXL wrote:
Where did I attack you? I just dont agree, I took your response to my simple question as sarcasm layden.
Im not making a comparison to what you are alluding to. Im making a comparison to what muscles besides the lower body ilk can affect and that is why I mentioned the traps and farmer walks, you obviously see the correlation because you stated “yes both movements will use the traps to stabalize” and that was my only point.
Yeah whatever I gotta go flex mah gunz in da mirror and then jerkoff to em lol. [/quote]
fair enough. I can see the possibility of a sarcastic interpretation, but it wasn’t my aim. And I think it’s clear your question was rhetorical, and intended to provoke a response of any kind rather than answer a specific question (seeing as I had already answered your question of ‘how do zerchers strengthen biceps?’ in a previous post)
‘’ I dont think that when someone lifts a heavy awkward object off the floor he curls it (not in any strict sense). More the biceps provide more of an isometric hold. Zercher squats are great for strengthening the biceps.‘’
I guess I am speaking about something very specific which sounds disagreeable to everyone here, but I suppose it’s my fault for trying to talk specifically about strength in the bodybuilding forum. haha. Damn you OP
WTF is with everyone always being so fast to accuse other people of “personal attacks”? Is that 2011’s catch phrase? How the fuck can an attack be personal if someone only knows you via your forum posts online?
Simple answer: If you do a bicep curl with a mind to lifting a heavier weight or building bigger biceps than when you first picked it up, then yes it is “functional”. Any improvement in any exercise makes it “functional” if it helps you achieve your goals.
[quote]Proud_Virgin wrote:
If it attacks my “person” and not my statements or ideas, than it is a personal attack[/quote]
How can someone attack your “person” when they have never interacted with you face-to-face, or even in real-time chat for extended periods of time?
I mean, me…I just laugh, and if I have the free time, kindly explain why the person is an idiot. But damn, the amount of butthurt here…is just amazing. This is why exclusive clubs, cells, groups, etc, exist. Because the general population is full of idiots and assholes. (This second part isn’t necessarily directed towards you PV)
[quote]Proud_Virgin wrote:
If it attacks my “person” and not my statements or ideas, than it is a personal attack[/quote]
How can someone attack your “person” when they have never interacted with you face-to-face, or even in real-time chat for extended periods of time?
I mean, me…I just laugh, and if I have the free time, kindly explain why the person is an idiot. But damn, the amount of butthurt here…is just amazing. This is why exclusive clubs, cells, groups, etc, exist. Because the general population is full of idiots and assholes. (This second part isn’t necessarily directed towards you PV)[/quote]
That’s nice, but personal attack means turning the entire thread away from the actual discussion to bitch and complain about the person arguing themselves. You can see that fucking nearly every thread here over the last few months.
If the discussion is about a pro bodybuilder but 10 pages of the thread turns into morons complaining about what job someone has or whether they can call themselves whatever title they choose, that is personally attacking someone.
Also, cells like the T-Cell were created because at that time, there was little to no discussion in this forum about actually building muscle. If we even tried, there would be hundreds of posts about why someone wants to get big.
They don’t exist because of people not wanting threads to turn into personal attacks.
If we can no longer discuss even an article on this site without it turning into bullshit about who people are, that is what will send people out of here.
[quote]hungry4more wrote:
WTF is with everyone always being so fast to accuse other people of “personal attacks”? Is that 2011’s catch phrase? How the fuck can an attack be personal if someone only knows you via your forum posts online?[/quote]
Its roid rage bro, that shit makes you really angry.
If you don’t think strong biceps are functional, try straining one and not being able to use it for a while. Hell, injuring ANY muscle will make you appreciate the fact that there is no such thing as a non-functional muscle.
I’ve never really understood the whole functional/non-functional debate. I realize that most people don’t go around pushing on heavy objects in day-to-day life, but that doesn’t mean pressing strength is non-functional as some would have you believe.
[quote]MattyXL wrote:
Where did I attack you? I just dont agree, I took your response to my simple question as sarcasm layden.
Im not making a comparison to what you are alluding to. Im making a comparison to what muscles besides the lower body ilk can affect and that is why I mentioned the traps and farmer walks, you obviously see the correlation because you stated “yes both movements will use the traps to stabalize” and that was my only point.
Yeah whatever I gotta go flex mah gunz in da mirror and then jerkoff to em lol. [/quote]
fair enough. I can see the possibility of a sarcastic interpretation, but it wasn’t my aim. And I think it’s clear your question was rhetorical, and intended to provoke a response of any kind rather than answer a specific question (seeing as I had already answered your question of ‘how do zerchers strengthen biceps?’ in a previous post)
‘’ I dont think that when someone lifts a heavy awkward object off the floor he curls it (not in any strict sense). More the biceps provide more of an isometric hold. Zercher squats are great for strengthening the biceps.‘’
I guess I am speaking about something very specific which sounds disagreeable to everyone here, but I suppose it’s my fault for trying to talk specifically about strength in the bodybuilding forum. haha. Damn you OP
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Are you seriously stating you don’t use your biceps when you move something? Have you ever tried to move anything outside of a weight room? I understand your faulty reasoning, but if I need to pick up a tv, I am not doing a clean and jerk. I am getting way under it and CURLING IT or DRAGGING IT. The only way to actively strengthen your biceps is to CURL. Chin ups are great for the upper body posterior chain, but a curl is the direct method one would use to target in the activity called WEIGHTLIFTING. No one is limiting you in your choices of methodology when attempting to strengthen your biceps, but to propose that you have a hegemony on the muscles used by a person in every day life is absurd and self aggrandizing. Look at me, I like strength. Obviously, since bodybuilders aren’t concerned with strength, they have no reasonable knowledge on the subject. Jackass. That is personal
The term ‘functional’ has no meaning in itself. Function is only relevant according to the task being performed.
For instance, curls are tremendously functional for a strongman competitor, bodybuilder, or submission grappler. On the other hand, football players, sprinters, and boxers derive very little benefit from direct biceps work.
I think the idea of curls being “non-functional” comes from the sports strength coaches who usually specialize in sports like football, track and field, baseball, volleyball, basketball, and other mainstream sports that don’t require highly-developed biceps.
For instance, curls are tremendously functional for a strongman competitor, bodybuilder, or submission grappler. On the other hand, football players, sprinters, and boxers derive very little benefit from direct biceps work.
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Having strong arms while pass rushing is crucial, especially since some moves involved pulling. Also, holding on to a tackle helps with stronger arms. Plus, they make you look more intimidating.