Bible Contradictions

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[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:

[quote]RyuuKyuzo wrote:

Interesting, though, that upon the explosion of a massive information network like the internet, the bible falls from grace and is rejected more and more every day. One would expect just the opposite to happen if the book really is the word of GOD.
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Exactly. Notice how God did HUGE MASSIVE THINGS WHICH CLEARLY PROVED HIS EXISTENCE… in the old testament. Then he did …much smaller but still MIRACULOUS THINGS WHICH WOULD OTHERWISE BE IMPOSSIBLE WITHOUT GOD…in the new testament. Two thousand years ago. If you note the cultural contexts of when each testament was written, you see that the authors of the new tesatment were actually held accountable for truthfulness - so instead of the huge bullshit claims of the OT, you get smaller, much-harder-to-contest bullshit claims in the NT.

And now, when most people in America, and many people in other countries, carry recording devices with them all the time? Where are the fucking miracles appearing on YouTube?

And now, when we have weather systems in place? Where are the random unexplanable acts of God wiping out whole nations?

You would think by now there would be a shred of evidence of the huge claims believers make. Yet, there is none. Not a scratch. [/quote]

I suppose God doesn’t want to interfere with our fragile contemporary sense of free will :wink:

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[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
In other words, before God created the universe, what was there? Just God? God in heaven with all the angels?[/quote]

Just God.[/quote]

Just god, in no time or space. Correct?

so, um, when and why did he create all the angels, especially those four faced jobbers who dance around his throne (even though he has no physical form)?

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[quote]RyuuKyuzo wrote:

[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:

[quote]RyuuKyuzo wrote:

Interesting, though, that upon the explosion of a massive information network like the internet, the bible falls from grace and is rejected more and more every day. One would expect just the opposite to happen if the book really is the word of GOD.
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Exactly. Notice how God did HUGE MASSIVE THINGS WHICH CLEARLY PROVED HIS EXISTENCE… in the old testament. Then he did …much smaller but still MIRACULOUS THINGS WHICH WOULD OTHERWISE BE IMPOSSIBLE WITHOUT GOD…in the new testament. Two thousand years ago. If you note the cultural contexts of when each testament was written, you see that the authors of the new tesatment were actually held accountable for truthfulness - so instead of the huge bullshit claims of the OT, you get smaller, much-harder-to-contest bullshit claims in the NT.

And now, when most people in America, and many people in other countries, carry recording devices with them all the time? Where are the fucking miracles appearing on YouTube?

And now, when we have weather systems in place? Where are the random unexplanable acts of God wiping out whole nations?

You would think by now there would be a shred of evidence of the huge claims believers make. Yet, there is none. Not a scratch. [/quote]

I suppose God doesn’t want to interfere with our fragile contemporary sense of free will ;)[/quote]

Yup. Omnipotent dude could just say “Hey. I exist. Believe in me.” to everyone. He doesn’t, of course, which leads many to disbelieve in him, and he sends them to hell forever.

Keep in mind that he KNEW it would happen, COULD have affected the situation but chose not to. Then sends his most beloved creation to hell FOREVER, when the simplest action would have saved them.

Unless you’re Tiribulus, in which case He randomly chooses you, a nonbeliever, out of millions of believers, for no good reason, to be saved. While those who do good for the rest of the world are doomed because they didn’t believe.

If Tiribulus’s god chose me, I would spit in his face and happily face hell forever. That god’s heaven would be worse than hell.

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[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
In other words, before God created the universe, what was there? Just God? God in heaven with all the angels?[/quote]

Just God.[/quote]

Just god, in no time or space. Correct?

so, um, when and why did he create all the angels, especially those four faced jobbers who dance around his throne (even though he has no physical form)?

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I am not sure, but I can get back to you…I would suspect from the book of Job that he created them before the physical universe.

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[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:

[quote]RyuuKyuzo wrote:

[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:

[quote]RyuuKyuzo wrote:

Interesting, though, that upon the explosion of a massive information network like the internet, the bible falls from grace and is rejected more and more every day. One would expect just the opposite to happen if the book really is the word of GOD.
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Exactly. Notice how God did HUGE MASSIVE THINGS WHICH CLEARLY PROVED HIS EXISTENCE… in the old testament. Then he did …much smaller but still MIRACULOUS THINGS WHICH WOULD OTHERWISE BE IMPOSSIBLE WITHOUT GOD…in the new testament. Two thousand years ago. If you note the cultural contexts of when each testament was written, you see that the authors of the new tesatment were actually held accountable for truthfulness - so instead of the huge bullshit claims of the OT, you get smaller, much-harder-to-contest bullshit claims in the NT.

And now, when most people in America, and many people in other countries, carry recording devices with them all the time? Where are the fucking miracles appearing on YouTube?

And now, when we have weather systems in place? Where are the random unexplanable acts of God wiping out whole nations?

You would think by now there would be a shred of evidence of the huge claims believers make. Yet, there is none. Not a scratch. [/quote]

I suppose God doesn’t want to interfere with our fragile contemporary sense of free will ;)[/quote]

Yup. Omnipotent dude could just say “Hey. I exist. Believe in me.” to everyone. He doesn’t, of course, which leads many to disbelieve in him, and he sends them to hell forever.

Keep in mind that he KNEW it would happen, COULD have affected the situation but chose not to. Then sends his most beloved creation to hell FOREVER, when the simplest action would have saved them.

Unless you’re Tiribulus, in which case He randomly chooses you, a nonbeliever, out of millions of believers, for no good reason, to be saved. While those who do good for the rest of the world are doomed because they didn’t believe.

If Tiribulus’s god chose me, I would spit in his face and happily face hell forever. That god’s heaven would be worse than hell. [/quote]

And they call this God loving. =/

When real parents burns their children for not worshiping them, these persons are labeled insane and imprisoned, but when GOD does it, it’s because he loves us and that’s okay.

Kinda like how an abusive husband really loves his wife and only beats her because he “loves” her.

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[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:<<<Unless you’re Tiribulus, in which case He randomly chooses you, a nonbeliever, out of millions of believers, for no good reason, to be saved. While those who do good for the rest of the world are doomed because they didn’t believe.[/quote]The one true and living God does nothing randomly or for no good reason. He has the most holy, righteous and just reasons for everything He does, but He doesn’t find it necessary to consult with me (or you) about who He saves. I trust Him.[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:<<< If Tiribulus’s god chose me, I would spit in his face and happily face hell forever. That god’s heaven would be worse than hell. [/quote]If Tiribulus’s God chose you you will fall on your face before Him in grateful adoring worship for who and what He is as well as what He’s done for you. You would also then understand that the redeemed heart, now with clear knowledge of it’s own sin, rather than grumbling over who God doesn’t save, marvels and praises His unbounded mercy in saving anybody at all. It’s not about us friend. It’s about Him and that is where you and Pat go hand in hand down the primrose path of fatal error. You are consumed with your man centered idolatrous self worshiping philosophy.

I will not lie to you to make you or myself feel better. I want you as my brothers [quote]"WHAT!!! ^&4^%@&^$$^@^#%!!! I’d gladly go to hell before I’d ever wanna be your brother[/quote] I understand, but I will not be responsible for leading you to believe a false gospel spawned in hell. Imagine if what I’m saying is true. How many tens maybe hundreds of millions of souls are going to be required of the hands of those who declared them redeemed when had not. Yes, even in light of God’s foreordained election they will most assuredly be held responsible.

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[quote]RyuuKyuzo wrote:
<<<And they call this God loving. =/

When real parents burns their children for not worshiping them, these persons are labeled insane and imprisoned, but when GOD does it, it’s because he loves us and that’s okay.

Kinda like how an abusive husband really loves his wife and only beats her because he “loves” her.[/quote]I absolutely call this God loving. Here we go again folks. Comparing God with men. Right on schedule. God does not damn anybody He loves. He loves those He saves. Even Brother Chris’s Catholic friar who gave the homily that Chris himself posted understands this. Chris is probably sorry he ever put that thing in my hands, but our young friar there actually did a pretty solid job in that case.

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[quote]Tiribulus wrote:

[quote]RyuuKyuzo wrote:
<<<And they call this God loving. =/

When real parents burns their children for not worshiping them, these persons are labeled insane and imprisoned, but when GOD does it, it’s because he loves us and that’s okay.

Kinda like how an abusive husband really loves his wife and only beats her because he “loves” her.[/quote]I absolutely call this God loving. Here we go again folks. Comparing God with men. Right on schedule. God does not damn anybody He loves. He loves those He saves. Even Brother Chris’s Catholic friar who gave the homily that Chris himself posted understands this. Chris is probably sorry he ever put that thing in my hands, but our young friar there actually did a pretty solid job in that case.
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So God created some of us specifically for the purpose of NOT loving us? Why doesn’t he love all of us?

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[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
Imagine if what I’m saying is true. [/quote]

If you’re right then it doesnt matter what I do. If god’s gonna pick me, he will, regardless of what I do. If he isn’t, he wont, regardless of what I do.

And since he hasn’t, I should just assume he wont (till he does) and accept my fate of eternal torture after I die.

But, uh, god loves me, yeah?

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[quote]Tiribulus wrote:

[quote]RyuuKyuzo wrote:
<<<And they call this God loving. =/

When real parents burns their children for not worshiping them, these persons are labeled insane and imprisoned, but when GOD does it, it’s because he loves us and that’s okay.

Kinda like how an abusive husband really loves his wife and only beats her because he “loves” her.[/quote]I absolutely call this God loving. Here we go again folks. Comparing God with men. Right on schedule. God does not damn anybody He loves. He loves those He saves. Even Brother Chris’s Catholic friar who gave the homily that Chris himself posted understands this. Chris is probably sorry he ever put that thing in my hands, but our young friar there actually did a pretty solid job in that case.
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Ohhhh, I see.

Kinda like the father of 4 who picks one child to give all his love and affection to… while beating and raping the other three on a daily basis.

We should call this man a loving father, yeah?

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[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:<<< Kinda like the father of 4 >>>[/quote]No, not kinda like ANY other being in existence. This is what Paul means when he tells the Romans about worshiping the creature rather than the creator. It makes no difference what a man would do though Jesus does use human illustrations at times. He can be trusted… we can’t. In the words of the hymn writer. “Amazing love, how can it be. That you my God would die for me”.

Maybe you too man. I’d clamor to be first to welcome you home.

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[quote]Tiribulus wrote:

[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:<<< Kinda like the father of 4 >>>[/quote]No, not kinda like ANY other being in existence. This is what Paul means when he tells the Romans about worshiping the creature rather than the creator. It makes no difference what a man would do though Jesus does use human illustrations at times. He can be trusted… we can’t. In the words of the hymn writer. “Amazing love, how can it be. That you my God would die for me”.

Maybe you too man. I’d clamor to be first to welcome you home.
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Your god is worse than any Satan I’ve ever heard of. At least no one claims the devil is loving.

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[quote]Tiribulus wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]forbes wrote:

So if he doesn’t believe and is not baptized, he has not faith in the Lord Jesus Christ. So according to scriptures, he is on a path to hell.[/quote]

But how do you know Christ? Think about it, is it only by name? As the point BC made, ‘what you do to the least of my people that you do unto me’. Does not the man who takes care of the least of His people, not know Christ?
This man is behaving in a way more Christ like than all of us combined. While we’re all whining and wagging are dicks as to how much religion we know, this guy goes out, to his enemies and cares for them, aka Him.
Indeed, if this story is an accurate snap shot of who this guy is, he knows Christ better than all of us, because he cares for Him everyday.[/quote]I really pray the Lord delivers you from this. I really really do. Jake, here is your works gospel that is a blasphemous affront to the name, work and resurrection life of Jesus Christ. Christians are not Christians because of what they do. They are Christians because of what they self consciously believe by God’s gift and grace and what they believe will produce works, but the idea that a benevolent pagan has God’s favor without intentionally owning Christ is a satanic deception and is everywhere refuted by scripture.

Pat your assumption that Jesus was saying that doing those things generally without open glory being given directly to His name demonstrates a total and utter lack of understanding of anything Christian whatsoever. Jesus has no secret agent disciples. People who just do good enough and He saves them without them being a witness to His Crown and kingdom do not exist and you do the devil’s work preaching that false and damning gospel.

I would welcome death by being burned alive at the stake before I would ever let such evil fall from my lips. REPENT and the sooner the better. Your hippified sugar daddy Jesus is an impostor.
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Do not pray to deliver me from truth, to false beliefs and apostasy. This is scriptural, but you don’t believe scripture. Do not pray to delver me to evil thoughts. What you believe is an insult to God to be perfectly honest; because you out and out call him a jerk.
If things stay as they are, this guy will be in glory long before you will. And I respect him more.

I will never repent for standing up for what is right.

‘I didn’t give you food when you were hungry or clothes when you were naked, but I really, really believed in you!’ ← That’s garbage, satan does as much.

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[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:

[quote]Tiribulus wrote:

[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:<<< Kinda like the father of 4 >>>[/quote]No, not kinda like ANY other being in existence. This is what Paul means when he tells the Romans about worshiping the creature rather than the creator. It makes no difference what a man would do though Jesus does use human illustrations at times. He can be trusted… we can’t. In the words of the hymn writer. “Amazing love, how can it be. That you my God would die for me”.

Maybe you too man. I’d clamor to be first to welcome you home.
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Your god is worse than any Satan I’ve ever heard of. At least no one claims the devil is loving.[/quote]

There in lies the problem with religious fundamentalism, in their world God is a dick, but he loves them a lot, just hates the other 6 billion people in the world and has precondemned them to hell.

Well, you guys have Yu Gi Oh, and we have tirib, can we call it even?

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[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
Tiribulus, you’re really not even worth it.

Pat, thought occured to me - you say its stupid to say something came from nothing, but, unless you are suggesting a way that God created the universe other than making it from nothing, you’re saying “Something came from nothing because God can do that”.[/quote]

You make a very good point. What you can see here is that we ‘nose against the wall’ of human understanding. The true answer is I don’t know. Like BC said, by the very definition of omniscience, everything is on the table so did he create stuff with out stuff to make it out of? Maybe. Or did he make ‘it’ out of himself? That’s a possibility too.

This gets in to interesting territory. We’ll never really know the answer as long as we are alive. There are no witnesses, only smatterings of evidence. There are lots of postulations though.
In the quantum world, as I was discussing with forlife, the laws of conservation don’t necessarily apply all the time. The there are things like string theory, that basically states that matter isn’t really physical stuff , it’s 1 dimensional strings vibrating across branes, existing across a possible 11 dimensions, etc. Bottom line, is that physical matter isn’t really made of anything, just series, upon series of vibrating energy. Don’t get me wrong, I don’t understand string theory, just the peaks of the mountains. But I am in good company, because most people don’t, even people who work with it every day. But I got a rudimentary idea.
If this were true, then our perception of the physical world is just that, a perception. It’s not “stuff” it’s all just energy.
All this stuff is there to explain the missing key, called ironically enough the ‘God Particle’ or the Higgs-boson particle. This is what is thought to be responsible for gravity.

So is God just playing us like a fiddle giving us the illusion of physical matter all around us, or is there really physical matter and it’s made of stuff that didn’t previously exist? I don’t know.

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[quote]Tiribulus wrote:

[quote]RyuuKyuzo wrote:
<<<And they call this God loving. =/

When real parents burns their children for not worshiping them, these persons are labeled insane and imprisoned, but when GOD does it, it’s because he loves us and that’s okay.

Kinda like how an abusive husband really loves his wife and only beats her because he “loves” her.[/quote]I absolutely call this God loving. Here we go again folks. Comparing God with men. Right on schedule. God does not damn anybody He loves. He loves those He saves. Even Brother Chris’s Catholic friar who gave the homily that Chris himself posted understands this. Chris is probably sorry he ever put that thing in my hands, but our young friar there actually did a pretty solid job in that case.
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God does not damn anybody he loves… BUT he created a whole bunch of people he hates, so he created them just to send them to hell. Since I am Catholic and predestined to go to hell according to Tirib, at least I have a whole bunch of really nice people that do not belong to his little tiny church in Michigan to hang with. Me and BC will start a sowing club I guess. I can hang with Gandhi, Blessed Mother Teresa and the good Pope John-Paul 2, too.

God created 6 billion people specifically to send them to hell, because that makes sense.

The young friar is going to hell too, by the way because his mind is just not narrow enough. I’ll grab a beer with him. The

Your mind is like a steel trap, closed.

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[quote]Tiribulus wrote:

[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:<<< Kinda like the father of 4 >>>[/quote]No, not kinda like ANY other being in existence. This is what Paul means when he tells the Romans about worshiping the creature rather than the creator. It makes no difference what a man would do though Jesus does use human illustrations at times. He can be trusted… we can’t. In the words of the hymn writer. “Amazing love, how can it be. That you my God would die for me”.

Maybe you too man. I’d clamor to be first to welcome you home.
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If you were the only Christian I met, I’d run like hell the other way.

Besides, Captain Planet is just following his predestination, just like me, we cannot help it.

Your assessment was right on Captain, like a parent who chooses one of his kids to the detriment of the others.

This is not the truth of Christianity. It is heresy in its most abominable form. This is the type of Christianity that gives the rest of us a bad name. Don’t let him color your impressions of Christianity, most of us are not like that. And God is not intrinsically evil as he claims.

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[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
In other words, before God created the universe, what was there? Just God? God in heaven with all the angels?[/quote]

Just God.[/quote]

Just god, in no time or space. Correct?

so, um, when and why did he create all the angels, especially those four faced jobbers who dance around his throne (even though he has no physical form)?

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I am not sure, but I can get back to you…I would suspect from the book of Job that he created them before the physical universe.[/quote]

Job is in hell because he did not accept Jesus as his personal Savior. So is Moses, for that matter.

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[quote]Tiribulus wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]forbes wrote:

Yes I do believe baptism is essential for salvation. But the man in the article doesn’t seem like he believes in Christ nor was baptized (I don’t know, it didn’t say).

So if he doesn’t believe and is not baptized, he has not faith in the Lord Jesus Christ. So according to scriptures, he is on a path to hell.[/quote]

No where in the Christian Bible does it say that baptism is needed for salvation. Rather it is a public act of faith which shows the rest of the community, Christian and otherwise, that you are in fact now a Christian. It’s really more an act of submission. [/quote]I am not taking sides, but then what do you do with 1 Peter 3:21 which was the trap that Chris set earlier on this page.
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That scripture is clear: Baptism can save you as it is an overt act of faith ie one would not do it if one were NOT saved to begin with.

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[quote]RyuuKyuzo wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]RyuuKyuzo wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]RyuuKyuzo wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]RyuuKyuzo wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]RyuuKyuzo wrote:
Liberal professors?.. Okay o.O

Not only have I read the bible in its entirety, but I’ve read several translations of it.[/quote]

Oh? What was your favorite translation and why? or least favorite…Mostly interested in the why…[/quote]

Is this your best attempt at establishing that I don’t know the bible? Anyone could answer this question within 5 minutes via google.

I have a better idea, next time try to find an actual flaw in my arguement to establish my lack of biblical knowledge. [/quote]

You said you read several translations whole bible several times in it’s entirety, I want to know which translations and why you did not like them. Because I think you lied because you
don’t know what you talk about…But you can cut and paste like a mother fucker.

As far as I know, all you said, in very long prose is, that there is contradiction in the bible. I agree, I know there is. I don’t have to watch cartoons to figure that out.
A math book doesn’t often accurately define what an onomatopoeia is, but it has nothing to do with the purpose of the book or what the book actually is. Somebody who read the bible would know that.

You don’t have to like it, read it or anything. It’s not an issue to me. You’re entitled to your opinion. You think it’s bunk, then don’t waste your time with it. I couldn’t care less if I tried.[/quote]

If he’s 20 years old and has already read several versions of the Bible that means he must have begun at a very early age and read on a regular basis. And then when he was finished decided that all the reading was a waste because of certain contradictions. And those contradictions were only noticed after he was finished reading that one final version.

(clears throat) You think he’s lying huh?

:slight_smile:
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I’m not an idiot. I know certain versions translates certain verses differently. It’s only logical that I look into them before debating about it.

FYI, the bible is actually a pretty easy book to get through (especially the new testiment). It hardly takes years to get through a few versions. [/quote]

If you dedicate some serious time to read several pages a day and have nothing else going on in your life you might be able to get through many versions of it in several years time. That is reading and understanding what you’ve read. But once again if you’re around 20 years old that means you got a sudden desire as a teenager to read several versions of the Bible and then at some point came to the conclusions that it was all just a big lie. Do you see why your story is hard to swallow?

I’d like to introduce you to a young man about your age named Ryan. Ryan is in college too, and the two of you seem to have quite a lot in common. You are both barely into your 20’s (if that) and you both know just about every dang thing there is to know. He has the economic system figured out and thinks that socialism is the way to go. And you? Well you have the universe figured out and know without question that there is no God and the Bible is wrong. Wow…you two guys are really shmart. (Eye Roll)

Isn’t the Internet wonderful? I wonder what you guys would be doing if there were no Internet? Probably just pissing off other guys your age who didn’t have anything else to do either.

Keep em coming kid you’re a real beauty!

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Perhaps it would take YOU several years of no-lifing the bible to get through it, but then again you still think this shit is true! Personally, I find Steven King’s books to be more believable and harder to read through. [/quote]

Then why did Yale and Harvard both teach Paul’s writings as great acccurate works of literature long before there was an attack on God?

Tell me if you know everything at the age of 20 what do you have left to learn? Life is really going to be boring for the next 60 or 70 years isn’t it?
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Yeah, you’ll notice that doesn’t happen anymore. Any guesses why? ;)[/quote]

I don’t have to guess I know why. The liberal University system trashed it. And you my boy are a product of that system. Therefore, you think the Bible is wrong without even having had read it.

Only one problem with your statement. You and I both know that you’ve never read it.

Uh huh.