Bible Contradictions

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]RyuuKyuzo wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]RyuuKyuzo wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]RyuuKyuzo wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:
RyuuKyuzo,

I’d like to ask you a question if I may; what exactly do you hope to gain by all this?
[/quote]

I would like to help persons detach from their safety nets. [/quote]

And you think that you’re going to change someone’s faith on a message board in a body building web site?

Why can’t you just go be happy in your atheism? Or is that not possible?
[/quote]

Notice the title of the thread. If you don’t want to explain the short commings of your religion AND you have no intention of opening your mind to the possibility that it is false, then YOU are the one with no reason to be here, not me.

Why can’t you just go be happy in your theism? Or is that not possible?
[/quote]

LOL you can’t turn this one around junior. You are the one posting such claims, not me. And yes I understand the title of the thread. But I’m always curious as to why so many young male atheists feel it’s their duty to try to convert Christians (as if it can happen on a message board if at all). Is it part of your atheist religion to convert so many people per year? Or is it that you guys are so unhappy that you want to lash out? One or the other. In reality you’re no better than what you rail against. You’re are like the overbearing fundamentalist Christian preaching on the street corner trying to push their beliefs in other people’s faces. And you deserve about the same amount of respect.
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Why are you so sure I’m an atheist? I’ve made no claim as such and have even hinted towards the contrary.

The only “claims” I’m making are that your claims are false. Interesting though, that the greatest insults you can throw at me involve finding symmetry between me and Christianity (or, religion in general). Whatever, the point is this is a thread made specifically for persons such as myself to bring up contradictions and for Christians to attempt to reconcile them. The only thing that stands out about me is that I’m rather good at it. That’s the only reason you are attacking me in this manner. I didn’t see you questioning the motives of anyone else. You don’t need to be so stubborn. Look at the evidence unbiased and the answer is clear. [/quote]

You are questioning alleged contradictions (which do not exist…yeah I know you think they do). And I’m questioning your motives. Simple.
[/quote]

Oh, these contradictions don’t exist? then would you be so kind as to reconcile the contradictions in the bible accounting for the life of Jesus? Or is that task just too simple for you to even bother with?

[quote]RyuuKyuzo wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]RyuuKyuzo wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]RyuuKyuzo wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]RyuuKyuzo wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:
RyuuKyuzo,

I’d like to ask you a question if I may; what exactly do you hope to gain by all this?
[/quote]

I would like to help persons detach from their safety nets. [/quote]

And you think that you’re going to change someone’s faith on a message board in a body building web site?

Why can’t you just go be happy in your atheism? Or is that not possible?
[/quote]

Notice the title of the thread. If you don’t want to explain the short commings of your religion AND you have no intention of opening your mind to the possibility that it is false, then YOU are the one with no reason to be here, not me.

Why can’t you just go be happy in your theism? Or is that not possible?
[/quote]

LOL you can’t turn this one around junior. You are the one posting such claims, not me. And yes I understand the title of the thread. But I’m always curious as to why so many young male atheists feel it’s their duty to try to convert Christians (as if it can happen on a message board if at all). Is it part of your atheist religion to convert so many people per year? Or is it that you guys are so unhappy that you want to lash out? One or the other. In reality you’re no better than what you rail against. You’re are like the overbearing fundamentalist Christian preaching on the street corner trying to push their beliefs in other people’s faces. And you deserve about the same amount of respect.
[/quote]

Why are you so sure I’m an atheist? I’ve made no claim as such and have even hinted towards the contrary.

The only “claims” I’m making are that your claims are false. Interesting though, that the greatest insults you can throw at me involve finding symmetry between me and Christianity (or, religion in general). Whatever, the point is this is a thread made specifically for persons such as myself to bring up contradictions and for Christians to attempt to reconcile them. The only thing that stands out about me is that I’m rather good at it. That’s the only reason you are attacking me in this manner. I didn’t see you questioning the motives of anyone else. You don’t need to be so stubborn. Look at the evidence unbiased and the answer is clear. [/quote]

You are questioning alleged contradictions (which do not exist…yeah I know you think they do). And I’m questioning your motives. Simple.
[/quote]

Oh, these contradictions don’t exist? then would you be so kind as to reconcile the contradictions in the bible accounting for the life of Jesus? Or is that task just too simple for you to even bother with?[/quote]

Naw…been there done that. I know you think you’re unique in this regard but you’re anything but. Here’s how it works. I offer up the defense that you “say” you desire. You then try as hard as you can and against all logic to tear it down. From what you’ve already stated you’re hear to argue regardless of what you read from me or any other Christian. You’re here mostly to hate on the Christian religion. Why would I want to help you do that?

Now, if you came to me personally as someone searching for the truth and wanted help I’d be the first to try to offer up what you may need. But this stuff, these message board attempts at a Christian beat down, it’s cheap, tawdry and worst of all it’s been done to death around here.

No hard feelings I hope.

[quote]RyuuKyuzo wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
@RyuuKyuzo
One topic at a time because I don’t have the time to be doing a lot of stuff. We’ll go with charities first.

Most =/= biggest.

And, I am sorry. I went down to Haiti during the first Hurricane, I got involved with Catholic Relief Services and they as well as most Catholic Charities (The Poor of Saint Vincent de Paul, Food for the Poor, &c.) have a 4% administration cut on all donations. That means administration costs are limited to four cents for every dollar donated. That is better than other bloated “charities” where they don’t even put out what their admin cut is of the donations.
[/quote]

I bring up new issues because you seem to only be focussing on the least important things I bring up.

By most I meant biggest. Take welfare for example, the largest charity in the U.S.
Granted, it’s coercive, but secular none the less. Did you even look at ther article? It doesn’t seem like you did given your response. [/quote]

I stopped after I read the first premise of the site “…good people who want to do good deeds have historically been easily tricked into Churches…” because that excludes me and is an opinion.

And, by my saying it excludes me, I mean I ain’t a good person, that would just be a lie.

[quote]RyuuKyuzo wrote:
What a stupid argument, as though Christianity is validated by the selflessness of one man in an act not predicated on being a Catholic. [/quote]

Hey, that sounds like Jesus. And the reason I brought up a Catholic Martyr is because you were talking about the Catholic Church.

Are we egotistical or are we humble. And you were talking about the Catholic Church, I showed you a Catholic man. And he is a martyr, because unlike all other religious martyrs, Catholic martyrs are the only ones that die for something instead of killing themselves and others around them for something.

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]RyuuKyuzo wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]RyuuKyuzo wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]RyuuKyuzo wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]RyuuKyuzo wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:
RyuuKyuzo,

I’d like to ask you a question if I may; what exactly do you hope to gain by all this?
[/quote]

I would like to help persons detach from their safety nets. [/quote]

And you think that you’re going to change someone’s faith on a message board in a body building web site?

Why can’t you just go be happy in your atheism? Or is that not possible?
[/quote]

Notice the title of the thread. If you don’t want to explain the short commings of your religion AND you have no intention of opening your mind to the possibility that it is false, then YOU are the one with no reason to be here, not me.

Why can’t you just go be happy in your theism? Or is that not possible?
[/quote]

LOL you can’t turn this one around junior. You are the one posting such claims, not me. And yes I understand the title of the thread. But I’m always curious as to why so many young male atheists feel it’s their duty to try to convert Christians (as if it can happen on a message board if at all). Is it part of your atheist religion to convert so many people per year? Or is it that you guys are so unhappy that you want to lash out? One or the other. In reality you’re no better than what you rail against. You’re are like the overbearing fundamentalist Christian preaching on the street corner trying to push their beliefs in other people’s faces. And you deserve about the same amount of respect.
[/quote]

Why are you so sure I’m an atheist? I’ve made no claim as such and have even hinted towards the contrary.

The only “claims” I’m making are that your claims are false. Interesting though, that the greatest insults you can throw at me involve finding symmetry between me and Christianity (or, religion in general). Whatever, the point is this is a thread made specifically for persons such as myself to bring up contradictions and for Christians to attempt to reconcile them. The only thing that stands out about me is that I’m rather good at it. That’s the only reason you are attacking me in this manner. I didn’t see you questioning the motives of anyone else. You don’t need to be so stubborn. Look at the evidence unbiased and the answer is clear. [/quote]

You are questioning alleged contradictions (which do not exist…yeah I know you think they do). And I’m questioning your motives. Simple.
[/quote]

Oh, these contradictions don’t exist? then would you be so kind as to reconcile the contradictions in the bible accounting for the life of Jesus? Or is that task just too simple for you to even bother with?[/quote]

Naw…been there done that. I know you think you’re unique in this regard but you’re anything but. Here’s how it works. I offer up the defense that you “say” you desire. You then try as hard as you can and against all logic to tear it down. From what you’ve already stated you’re hear to argue regardless of what you read from me or any other Christian. You’re here mostly to hate on the Christian religion. Why would I want to help you do that?

Now, if you came to me personally as someone searching for the truth and wanted help I’d be the first to try to offer up what you may need. But this stuff, these message board attempts at a Christian beat down, it’s cheap, tawdry and worst of all it’s been done to death around here.

No hard feelings I hope.

[/quote]

You won’t address it because you can’t.

Understand, I walk into every debate 100% prepared to chance my position on the issue. But I won’t change without an absolute concrete argument proving me wrong. If any of you can do that, I’ll be more than happy to call myself a Christian as it would reign as the most logical position to have.

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]RyuuKyuzo wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
@RyuuKyuzo
One topic at a time because I don’t have the time to be doing a lot of stuff. We’ll go with charities first.

Most =/= biggest.

And, I am sorry. I went down to Haiti during the first Hurricane, I got involved with Catholic Relief Services and they as well as most Catholic Charities (The Poor of Saint Vincent de Paul, Food for the Poor, &c.) have a 4% administration cut on all donations. That means administration costs are limited to four cents for every dollar donated. That is better than other bloated “charities” where they don’t even put out what their admin cut is of the donations.
[/quote]

I bring up new issues because you seem to only be focussing on the least important things I bring up.

By most I meant biggest. Take welfare for example, the largest charity in the U.S.
Granted, it’s coercive, but secular none the less. Did you even look at ther article? It doesn’t seem like you did given your response. [/quote]

I stopped after I read the first premise of the site “…good people who want to do good deeds have historically been easily tricked into Churches…” because that excludes me and is an opinion.

And, by my saying it excludes me, I mean I ain’t a good person, that would just be a lie. [/quote]

This is a mere cop-out argument you’ve made to ignore that statistics on the website. Like I said, cowards, the lot of you.

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]RyuuKyuzo wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
@RyuuKyuzo
One topic at a time because I don’t have the time to be doing a lot of stuff. We’ll go with charities first.

Most =/= biggest.

And, I am sorry. I went down to Haiti during the first Hurricane, I got involved with Catholic Relief Services and they as well as most Catholic Charities (The Poor of Saint Vincent de Paul, Food for the Poor, &c.) have a 4% administration cut on all donations. That means administration costs are limited to four cents for every dollar donated. That is better than other bloated “charities” where they don’t even put out what their admin cut is of the donations.
[/quote]

I bring up new issues because you seem to only be focussing on the least important things I bring up.

By most I meant biggest. Take welfare for example, the largest charity in the U.S.
Granted, it’s coercive, but secular none the less. Did you even look at ther article? It doesn’t seem like you did given your response. [/quote]

I stopped after I read the first premise of the site “…good people who want to do good deeds have historically been easily tricked into Churches…” because that excludes me and is an opinion.

And, by my saying it excludes me, I mean I ain’t a good person, that would just be a lie. [/quote]

This is a mere cop-out argument you’ve made to ignore that statistics on the website. Like I said, cowards, the lot of you.

[quote]RyuuKyuzo wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]RyuuKyuzo wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
@RyuuKyuzo
One topic at a time because I don’t have the time to be doing a lot of stuff. We’ll go with charities first.

Most =/= biggest.

And, I am sorry. I went down to Haiti during the first Hurricane, I got involved with Catholic Relief Services and they as well as most Catholic Charities (The Poor of Saint Vincent de Paul, Food for the Poor, &c.) have a 4% administration cut on all donations. That means administration costs are limited to four cents for every dollar donated. That is better than other bloated “charities” where they don’t even put out what their admin cut is of the donations.
[/quote]

I bring up new issues because you seem to only be focussing on the least important things I bring up.

By most I meant biggest. Take welfare for example, the largest charity in the U.S.
Granted, it’s coercive, but secular none the less. Did you even look at ther article? It doesn’t seem like you did given your response. [/quote]

I stopped after I read the first premise of the site “…good people who want to do good deeds have historically been easily tricked into Churches…” because that excludes me and is an opinion.

And, by my saying it excludes me, I mean I ain’t a good person, that would just be a lie. [/quote]

This is a mere cop-out argument you’ve made to ignore that statistics on the website. Like I said, cowards, the lot of you. [/quote]

Wish someone would say this to my face one day. Internet warriors, I tell ya, Zeb.

So, Mr. Courageous, how is it a cop-out?

As well, their suggestion of places for my “donations” I wouldn’t do in a life time, both give money to fund abortion. And, the “case study” is of a Anglican Cathedral, not of a Catholic Cathedral. Do you know the difference?

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]RyuuKyuzo wrote:
What a stupid argument, as though Christianity is validated by the selflessness of one man in an act not predicated on being a Catholic. [/quote]

Hey, that sounds like Jesus. And the reason I brought up a Catholic Martyr is because you were talking about the Catholic Church.

Are we egotistical or are we humble. And you were talking about the Catholic Church, I showed you a Catholic man. And he is a martyr, because unlike all other religious martyrs, Catholic martyrs are the only ones that die for something instead of killing themselves and others around them for something. [/quote]

A man acting out in selflessness does not negate the original purpose behind the establishment of your church, nor does it allow the contradictions in your bible to make any more sense.

Now, I’m growing tired of debateing morality with you because all moral systems are, at their roots, bunk. You can justify any act to yourself so long as you can convince yourself that it makes sense. If you don’t mind, could we move ahead to more factual-based things? Like, for example, how the hell Jesus’ life played out? I’ve been waiting for an answer on that for quite some time now.

RyuuKyuzo is making ya’ll look like total cowards.

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]RyuuKyuzo wrote:
What a stupid argument, as though Christianity is validated by the selflessness of one man in an act not predicated on being a Catholic. [/quote]

Hey, that sounds like Jesus. And the reason I brought up a Catholic Martyr is because you were talking about the Catholic Church.

Are we egotistical or are we humble. And you were talking about the Catholic Church, I showed you a Catholic man. And he is a martyr, because unlike all other religious martyrs, Catholic martyrs are the only ones that die for something instead of killing themselves and others around them for something. [/quote]

A man acting out in selflessness does not negate the original purpose behind the establishment of your church, nor does it allow the contradictions in your bible to make any more sense.

Now, I’m growing tired of debateing morality with you because all moral systems are, at their roots, bunk. You can justify any act to yourself so long as you can convince yourself that it makes sense. If you don’t mind, could we move ahead to more factual-based things? Like, for example, how the hell Jesus’ life played out? I’ve been waiting for an answer on that for quite some time now.

[quote]RyuuKyuzo wrote:

Now, if you came to me personally as someone searching for the truth and wanted help I’d be the first to try to offer up what you may need. But this stuff, these message board attempts at a Christian beat down, it’s cheap, tawdry and worst of all it’s been done to death around here.

No hard feelings I hope.

You won’t address it because you can’t.[/quote]

Says junior with hubris spilling all over his post - Like I have not done this many, many times before. As I explained and I hope you get it this time, it will take page after page of you basically saying “nu uh”. And in the end YOU will not be any closer to becoming a Christian regardless of anything I can post. And I assure you I will not become an atheist from anything posted from some guy on a fitness forum. Therefore, it’s not worth the time, or the effort to do it.

You won’t change if God himself appeared before your computer screen and called you out. You entered the thread aggressive and insulting you want to fight, that’s why you’re here. You are as typical as they come, sorry. As I’ve repeatedly said but for some reason you don’t quite understand (and you’re telling me you’d understand a far more complex topic? HA) I’ve fought more battles on this forum regarding this very topic than I care to remember. They always----ALWAYS lead to no good end. You’re no different in anyway - Not in anyway!

Good luck to you- I won’t be checking back on this thread as I find your general attitude rather nauseating (I’m sure you’re a great guy in person -it’s the Internet it changes us a bit). But if you can ever find that special person who can put God in a box so that your frail human mind (as we all have) can understand him better you can PM as I’d love to shake his hand.

Goodbye and I hope that someday you find peace so that what you’re doing right now won’t be necessary.

Zeb

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]RyuuKyuzo wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]RyuuKyuzo wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
@RyuuKyuzo
One topic at a time because I don’t have the time to be doing a lot of stuff. We’ll go with charities first.

Most =/= biggest.

And, I am sorry. I went down to Haiti during the first Hurricane, I got involved with Catholic Relief Services and they as well as most Catholic Charities (The Poor of Saint Vincent de Paul, Food for the Poor, &c.) have a 4% administration cut on all donations. That means administration costs are limited to four cents for every dollar donated. That is better than other bloated “charities” where they don’t even put out what their admin cut is of the donations.
[/quote]

I bring up new issues because you seem to only be focussing on the least important things I bring up.

By most I meant biggest. Take welfare for example, the largest charity in the U.S.
Granted, it’s coercive, but secular none the less. Did you even look at ther article? It doesn’t seem like you did given your response. [/quote]

I stopped after I read the first premise of the site “…good people who want to do good deeds have historically been easily tricked into Churches…” because that excludes me and is an opinion.

And, by my saying it excludes me, I mean I ain’t a good person, that would just be a lie. [/quote]

This is a mere cop-out argument you’ve made to ignore that statistics on the website. Like I said, cowards, the lot of you. [/quote]

Wish someone would say this to my face one day. Internet warriors, I tell ya, Zeb.

So, Mr. Courageous, how is it a cop-out?

As well, their suggestion of places for my “donations” I wouldn’t do in a life time, both give money to fund abortion. And, the “case study” is of a Anglican Cathedral, not of a Catholic Cathedral. Do you know the difference?[/quote]

Yes, yes, I’m sure you’d just love to use physical courage to compensate for your intellectual cowardice.

It’s a cop-out because you’re using a rather insignificant thing to avoid recognizing the actual substance of the article.

If you want to get into abortion, fine, I only ask we do it AFTER my questions on the life of Jesus are answered. I can’t believe I’ve actually had to wait this long.

“A survey by researchers at Villanova University in the USA has found that 85 percent of >>>Roman Catholic dioceses<<< that responded had discovered embezzlement of church funds in the past five years, with 11 percent reporting that more than $500,000 had been stolen. The finding casts doubts on the morality of many >>>Catholics<<< who rapidly give in when temptation is put in their way. When no one is looking, the cash that goes into the collection plate does not always get deposited into the church’s bank account. […] Last October alone, three such cases surfaced, including one in Delray Beach, Fla., where two priests spent $8.6 million on trips to Las Vegas, dental work, property taxes and other expenses over four decades.”

This is a direct quote from the article. How convienient for you to have totally missed this and skipped right over to the part about corrupt Anglicans. But I suppose this is just how your mind functions, you look for reasons why everyone else is following a stupid religion while blocking out anything that may make your’s look like anything other than a golden ticket to God’s magical chocolate factory.

But, perhaps I’m being unfair. The article DID go into greater detail about Anglican embezzlement than catholic embezzlement. So, to be fair here is a list of cases SOLELY regarding Catholic cases of embezzlement: http://www.churchsecurity.info/index_files/Page313.html

At this point I’d like to point out that I’m STILL waiting for you (or any other Christian) to reconcile the contradictions within the bible regarding the life of jesus. I only asked three or four pages ago… =/

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]RyuuKyuzo wrote:

Now, if you came to me personally as someone searching for the truth and wanted help I’d be the first to try to offer up what you may need. But this stuff, these message board attempts at a Christian beat down, it’s cheap, tawdry and worst of all it’s been done to death around here.

No hard feelings I hope.

You won’t address it because you can’t.[/quote]

Says junior with hubris spilling all over his post - Like I have not done this many, many times before. As I explained and I hope you get it this time, it will take page after page of you basically saying “nu uh”. And in the end YOU will not be any closer to becoming a Christian regardless of anything I can post. And I assure you I will not become an atheist from anything posted from some guy on a fitness forum. Therefore, it’s not worth the time, or the effort to do it.

You won’t change if God himself appeared before your computer screen and called you out. You entered the thread aggressive and insulting you want to fight, that’s why you’re here. You are as typical as they come, sorry. As I’ve repeatedly said but for some reason you don’t quite understand (and you’re telling me you’d understand a far more complex topic? HA) I’ve fought more battles on this forum regarding this very topic than I care to remember. They always----ALWAYS lead to no good end. You’re no different in anyway - Not in anyway!

Good luck to you- I won’t be checking back on this thread as I find your general attitude rather nauseating (I’m sure you’re a great guy in person -it’s the Internet it changes us a bit). But if you can ever find that special person who can put God in a box so that your frail human mind (as we all have) can understand him better you can PM as I’d love to shake his hand.

Goodbye and I hope that someday you find peace so that what you’re doing right now won’t be necessary.

Zeb[/quote]

I started out rather patient, but post after post of barely-relevant “counter-points” takes it’s toll after a while. You’re not even making an attempt to say something relevant here.

I’ve already told you, I will absolutely convert right here in this very thread if you or any other Christian can adequately reconcile the contradictions within your bible and prove your religion to be true. There’s nothing more that can be done short of you doing this, but then that would require you to actually address my argument, wouldn’t it?

You find me nauseating? Why did you come onto this thread in the first place if you didn’t want to deal with legitimate criticism? Did you expect to find a bunch of half-hearted attempts at disproving Christianity that wouldn’t open up anything that may actually offend anyone? Sorry, I don’t do half-hearted and I don’t pull punches to protect the ego of others. All I can do is lay out my argument, the rest is your choice and in this case you chose cowardice.

I mean, I haven’t even gotten into the real “meat” of the problems within Christianity and already you all seem to have sorely surrendered. I could at least respect an attempt, but so far not one of you has had the balls to even address the issue of Jesus’ life. I figured you all would’ve had this worked out and we’d be onto something else by now considering your entire religion is based on this mans life!

[quote]RyuuKyuzo wrote:

  1. Something else worth noting, early man was very stupid and easy to fool into just about anything.

  2. The only thing that stands out about me is that I’m rather good at it. [/quote]

How are you going to prove number 1 there? And we are quite arrogant aren’t we especially when posting someone elses material.

[quote]jakerz96 wrote:

[quote]RyuuKyuzo wrote:

  1. Something else worth noting, early man was very stupid and easy to fool into just about anything.

  2. The only thing that stands out about me is that I’m rather good at it. [/quote]

How are you going to prove number 1 there? And we are quite arrogant aren’t we especially when posting someone elses material.[/quote]

The study of psycho-history delves into number 1. (Psychohistory - Wikipedia)

As for number 2, all information is borrowed. I could of written out the arguments outlined in the video, but that wouldn’t of benefited anyone. Besides, I’m not saying I’m good at it to boost my own sense of pride, I’m saying it because it’s evidently so but also in the hopes that it will spark the drive for one of these Christians to actually address the argument.

“Psychohistory is the controversial study of the psychological motivations of historical events.[1] It combines the insights of psychotherapy with the research methodology of the social sciences to understand the emotional origin of the social and political behavior of groups and nations, past and present. Its subject matter is childhood and the family (especially child abuse), and psychological studies of anthropology and ethnology.”

“There are no departments dedicated to psychohistory in any institution of higher learning, though some history departments have run courses in it.”

Just a couple quotes from that wikipedia article. A brief reading of that psychohistory babble really makes one realize that it is as you say “bunk” or what I would call a pseudo-science.

Just something for you… If you want people to talk to you about their religion you really ought to change your approach.

[quote]RyuuKyuzo wrote:

Yes, yes, I’m sure you’d just love to use physical courage to compensate for your intellectual cowardice.[/quote]

No, I don’t get emotional in civil discourse. I am a very peaceful man, and ironically the only time a person has ever called me a coward to my face was an emotional woman.

[quote]RyuuKyuzo wrote:
all information is borrowed. I could of written out the arguments outlined in the video[/quote]

I’m sure the great debaters use the same excuse.

[quote]doogie wrote:
RyuuKyuzo is making ya’ll look like total cowards.[/quote]

I know. I feel so cowardice that I had to go out to the honky tonk and go Texas two-steppin’ and fill up with ten cent beers to wash away my shame and sorrow.