[quote]ironcross wrote:
It looks like the Bible Belt is located in a very low income region of the US. Why is that the place that’s considered the Bible belt?[/quote]This sounds like an honest question. Wikipedia is not bad here. BTW, socially conservative, church attendance, being int he choir or even being a pastor or other clergy etc., does not necessarily equal Christian. A person who is not alive in the risen Christ is not a Christian regardless of what religious ritual they practice. Bible Belt - Wikipedia
Well mostly stupid and poor people find Christianity believable and/or appealing so I think it is a correlation but not a causation. There’s a reason why the only place Christianity is growing is in Africa ~ a continent occupied by superstitious intellectual dwarves. They have to go where people are dumb enough to buy into silly shit.
This is a song, that eptimozes this thread more than anything.
[quote]Rohnyn wrote:
Well mostly stupid and poor people find Christianity believable and/or appealing so I think it is a correlation but not a causation. There’s a reason why the only place Christianity is growing is in Africa ~ a continent occupied by superstitious intellectual dwarves. They have to go where people are dumb enough to buy into silly shit.
This is a song, that eptimozes this thread more than anything.
I don’t know man, I grew up going to a church full of millionares. Doctors, lawyers, various engineers and scientists, some judges, business owners and executives… very highly educated, well to do and Christians.
Blind accusations are pretty fucking stupid and you know it.
It’s fairly obvious that the dumb and the poor (another correlation) tend to be superstitious and gullible to belief systems which are otherwise illogical.
Have you noticed Christianity is in free fall decline in Western Europe and North America?
Seemingly stagnant in South America and East Asia? Yet when Korea and South America were less educated on average it was growing exponentially…
But now that the per capita education level has grown it is declining rapidly, with the bulk of religious transactions being simply conversions of Catholics to Protestantism and no large surge in new believers?
You notice how the Church is setting up shop in rural Black Brazil and Africa ~ and having the most success there while they are fighting to just keep their parishes in the developed (educated) world?
You notice how the state founded in ethnoreligion Israel, that has a very high education rate, has a fairly low rate of practition of their religion, with secular Jews (Jews who are involved or uninterested in faith) being perhaps 80% of their population according to Gov’t survey?
People who are educated and have critical thinking capabilities leave religion because Christianty (Judaism/Islam) are not believeable. They are rife with logical fallacies, and their entire ideological basis is predicated on inductive reasoning and wordsmithery.
Smart people stop being Christian or take on the fool’s errand of wordsmithery to prove it (mostly to themselves). If they have happen to be emotionally, traditionally and family-wise tied ot the faith, they might go to service and turn a blind eye to it. That does not make them believers, and if you look at even these ‘educated’ believers I think you’ll find that to be the case. Look at the Presbyterians for example, perhaps the most educated Chrisitan group, and they have reduced the faith to Aesop’s fables. On the inverse, they are a few educated people who are so emotionally brainwashed by the faith they use all sorts of broken reason and wordsmithering to justify. Think Erik Prince for example. This only shows how shaky it’s basis actually is, because anything that requires a text 5x as big as the statement made to validate is 99% of the time bullshit. Despite what Christian apologists might think you can’t button mash to victory.
It is obvious that Christianity (and other religions) are the opiate of the poor and stupid. Smart people admit they don’t know, have spiritual beliefs, but hold to reason and logic above all. They admit ~ they don’t know what happens when they die, and leave it at that.
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
[quote]pat wrote:
Unless you can provide some evidence that high crime is directly related to Christianity or its teachings, I’d say your just on a bashing mission based on your own personal hate.[/quote]He’s providing evidence that diluted false Christianity that leaves men dead, but religious has no transformoing effect on individuals and hence the society they comprise. I hope he keeps it up. The church needs to listen. The remnant of the true Church will and is. This is primarily about artificial protestantism in this case Pat so no need to bloody up your forehead in this childish quest to resist ever talking to me again. You would never get one single “I told ya so” from me if you did btw. All this strife between us never needed to happen in the first place.[/quote]
No such thing as artificial protestantism. Your protested against the Catholic Church, and they just furthered the protest. You got upset at your own game. whatev.
[quote]Rohnyn wrote:
@HoustonGuy -
It’s fairly obvious that the dumb and the poor (another correlation) tend to be superstitious and gullible to belief systems which are otherwise illogical.
Have you noticed Christianity is in free fall decline in Western Europe and North America?
Seemingly stagnant in South America and East Asia? Yet when Korea and South America were less educated on average it was growing exponentially…
But now that the per capita education level has grown it is declining rapidly, with the bulk of religious transactions being simply conversions of Catholics to Protestantism and no large surge in new believers?
You notice how the Church is setting up shop in rural Black Brazil and Africa ~ and having the most success there while they are fighting to just keep their parishes in the developed (educated) world?
You notice how the state founded in ethnoreligion Israel, that has a very high education rate, has a fairly low rate of practition of their religion, with secular Jews (Jews who are involved or uninterested in faith) being perhaps 80% of their population according to Gov’t survey?
People who are educated and have critical thinking capabilities leave religion because Christianty (Judaism/Islam) are not believeable. They are rife with logical fallacies, and their entire ideological basis is predicated on inductive reasoning and wordsmithery.
Smart people stop being Christian or take on the fool’s errand of wordsmithery to prove it (mostly to themselves). If they have happen to be emotionally, traditionally and family-wise tied ot the faith, they might go to service and turn a blind eye to it. That does not make them believers, and if you look at even these ‘educated’ believers I think you’ll find that to be the case. Look at the Presbyterians for example, perhaps the most educated Chrisitan group, and they have reduced the faith to Aesop’s fables. On the inverse, they are a few educated people who are so emotionally brainwashed by the faith they use all sorts of broken reason and wordsmithering to justify. Think Erik Prince for example. This only shows how shaky it’s basis actually is, because anything that requires a text 5x as big as the statement made to validate is 99% of the time bullshit. Despite what Christian apologists might think you can’t button mash to victory.
It is obvious that Christianity (and other religions) are the opiate of the poor and stupid. Smart people admit they don’t know, have spiritual beliefs, but hold to reason and logic above all. They admit ~ they don’t know what happens when they die, and leave it at that.
[/quote]
Careful there. Here in the US the rate of religious decline has been twice as high among the less educated.
"The least educated white AmericansÃ?¢??those who did not graduate from high schoolÃ?¢??attended religious services less frequently than both the moderately educated and most educated in the 1970s and that remained the case in the 2000s. “The least educated have been consistently less religiously engaged than even the moderately educated, meaning the gap between the least educated and most educated is even larger than the one between the moderately educated and most educated,” Wilcox said.
In the 1970s, among those aged 25-44, 51 percent of college-educated whites attended religious services monthly or more, compared to 50 percent of moderately educated whites, and 38 percent of the least educated whites. In the 2000s, among those aged 25-44, 46 percent of college-educated whites attended monthly or more, compared to 37 percent of moderately educated whites, and 23 percent of the least educated whites."
And, as far as religion being an opiate (Marx on the mind?) of the poor and ‘stupid…,’ as a religious person I agree. Well, without the negative connotations
[i]The study also shows that Americans with higher incomes attend religious services more often, and those who have experienced unemployment at some point over the past 10 years attend less often. In addition, the study finds that those who are married (especially if they have children), those who hold more conservative views toward premarital sex, and those who lost their virginity later than their peers, attend religious services more frequently.
Indeed, the study points out that modern religious institutions tend to promote a family-centered morality that valorizes marriage and parenthood, and they embrace traditional middle-class virtues such as self-control, delayed gratification, and a focus on education.
Over the past 40 years, however, the moderately educated have become less likely to hold familistic beliefs and less likely to get and stay married, compared to college-educated adults. During the same period, wages have fallen and rates of unemployment have risen markedly for moderately educated men, while wages have remained stagnant for moderately educated women. For the least educated�¢??those without high school degrees�¢??the economic situation has been even worse, and they have also become less likely to hold familistic beliefs and less likely to get and stay married, compared to college-educated adults.
Because less educated whites are now less likely to be stably employed, to earn a decent income, to be married with children, and to hold familistic views, it makes sense that they also do not as often attend services at religious institutions that continue to uphold conventional norms, Wilcox said.
“While we recognize that not everyone wishes to worship, and that religious diversity can be valuable, we also think that the existence of a large group of less educated Americans that is increasingly disconnected from religious institutions is troubling for our society,” said Andrew Cherlin, co-author of the study and a professor of sociology and public policy at the Johns Hopkins University. “This development reinforces the social marginalization of less educated Americans who are also increasingly disconnected from the institutions of marriage and work.”[/i]
[quote]Sloth wrote:
[quote]Rohnyn wrote:
@HoustonGuy -
It’s fairly obvious that the dumb and the poor (another correlation) tend to be superstitious and gullible to belief systems which are otherwise illogical.
Have you noticed Christianity is in free fall decline in Western Europe and North America?
Seemingly stagnant in South America and East Asia? Yet when Korea and South America were less educated on average it was growing exponentially…
But now that the per capita education level has grown it is declining rapidly, with the bulk of religious transactions being simply conversions of Catholics to Protestantism and no large surge in new believers?
You notice how the Church is setting up shop in rural Black Brazil and Africa ~ and having the most success there while they are fighting to just keep their parishes in the developed (educated) world?
You notice how the state founded in ethnoreligion Israel, that has a very high education rate, has a fairly low rate of practition of their religion, with secular Jews (Jews who are involved or uninterested in faith) being perhaps 80% of their population according to Gov’t survey?
People who are educated and have critical thinking capabilities leave religion because Christianty (Judaism/Islam) are not believeable. They are rife with logical fallacies, and their entire ideological basis is predicated on inductive reasoning and wordsmithery.
Smart people stop being Christian or take on the fool’s errand of wordsmithery to prove it (mostly to themselves). If they have happen to be emotionally, traditionally and family-wise tied ot the faith, they might go to service and turn a blind eye to it. That does not make them believers, and if you look at even these ‘educated’ believers I think you’ll find that to be the case. Look at the Presbyterians for example, perhaps the most educated Chrisitan group, and they have reduced the faith to Aesop’s fables. On the inverse, they are a few educated people who are so emotionally brainwashed by the faith they use all sorts of broken reason and wordsmithering to justify. Think Erik Prince for example. This only shows how shaky it’s basis actually is, because anything that requires a text 5x as big as the statement made to validate is 99% of the time bullshit. Despite what Christian apologists might think you can’t button mash to victory.
It is obvious that Christianity (and other religions) are the opiate of the poor and stupid. Smart people admit they don’t know, have spiritual beliefs, but hold to reason and logic above all. They admit ~ they don’t know what happens when they die, and leave it at that.
[/quote]
Careful there. Here in the US the rate of religious decline has been twice as high among the less educated.
"The least educated white AmericansÃ??Ã?¢??those who did not graduate from high schoolÃ??Ã?¢??attended religious services less frequently than both the moderately educated and most educated in the 1970s and that remained the case in the 2000s. “The least educated have been consistently less religiously engaged than even the moderately educated, meaning the gap between the least educated and most educated is even larger than the one between the moderately educated and most educated,” Wilcox said.
…
“While we recognize that not everyone wishes to worship, and that religious diversity can be valuable, we also think that the existence of a large group of less educated Americans that is increasingly disconnected from religious institutions is troubling for our society,” said Andrew Cherlin, co-author of the study and a professor of sociology and public policy at the Johns Hopkins University. “This development reinforces the social marginalization of less educated Americans who are also increasingly disconnected from the institutions of marriage and work.”
[/quote]
Well, they have also documented that among mormons those who went achieved higher education and have high salaries typically attend church more regularly than those who don’t. This is not indicative of religion being the choice of the educated, but instead the fact that those who are involved in ‘modern tribes’ so to speak have higher achievement and attainment levels than those who don’t. That has to do with Networking and social support, which the Church provides.
I’ll have to dig up a study that more or less refuted what you just said, in that they found the level of achievement in education and earnings to be much higher among any and all people aligned with any social group that emphasizes advancement or requires a steady income (masons, outdoorsmen, political parties, ethnic identiy group) than those who are not. I think you’ll find those who aren’t at Church who low incomes are sociall withdrawn over all.
The mean average is what is indicative, and the trend is obvious in the developed world vs the undeveloped. I also think the fact that less educated Americans turning away fromt he Church probably has to do with them wising up, and realizing they need to get with the program.
In 1948 we were 91% Christian, according to gallup tracking. Were we an underdeveloped nation? The west developed from a highly religious people. It’s the social and financial capital of ours, the religious, that is being spent off today.
[quote]Sloth wrote:
In 1948 we were 91% Christian, according to gallup tracking. Were we an underdeveloped nation? The west developed from a highly religious people. It’s the social and financial capital of ours, the religious, that is being spent off today.
[/quote]
Lol right. The Founding Fathers were VERY religious people. Also, it was your baby boomer more religious retards that nose dived the long term finances of our nation.
[quote]Rohnyn wrote:
[quote]Sloth wrote:
In 1948 we were 91% Christian, according to gallup tracking. Were we an underdeveloped nation? The west developed from a highly religious people. It’s the social and financial capital of ours, the religious, that is being spent off today.
[/quote]
Lol right. The Founding Fathers were VERY religious people. Also, it was your baby boomer more religious retards that nose dived the long term finances of our nation.[/quote]
Yes, they were. And so was the US population, for a good long time.
[quote]Sloth wrote:
[quote]Rohnyn wrote:
[quote]Sloth wrote:
In 1948 we were 91% Christian, according to gallup tracking. Were we an underdeveloped nation? The west developed from a highly religious people. It’s the social and financial capital of ours, the religious, that is being spent off today.
[/quote]
Lol right. The Founding Fathers were VERY religious people. Also, it was your baby boomer more religious retards that nose dived the long term finances of our nation.[/quote]
Yes, they were. And so was the US population, for a good long time.
[/quote]
Not this again. The Founding Fathers were at least half Deists if not more and largely anti-Christian.
Thomas Jefferson
“I have examined all the known superstitions of the world and I do not find
in our particular superstition of Christianity one redeeming feature. They
are all alike founded on fables and mythology. Millions of innocent men,
women, and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been
burnt, tortured, fined, and imprisoned. What has been the effect of this
coercion? To make one half the world fools and the other half hypocrites; to
support roguery and error all over the earth.”
Jefferson again
“Christianity is the most perverted system that ever shone on
man…Rogueries, absurdities and untruths were perpetrated upon the
teachings of Jesus by a large band of dupes and imposters led by Paul, the
first great corruptor of the teachings of Jesus.”
More Jefferson
“The clergy converted the simple teachings of Jesus into an engine for
enslaving mankind and adulturated by artificial constructions into a
contrivance to filch wealth and power to themselves…these clergy in fact,
constitute the real Anti-Christ.”
Jefferson’s word for the Bible? “Dunghill.”
John Adams
“Where do we find a precept in the Bible for Creeds, Confessions, Doctrines
and Oaths, and whole cartloads of other trumpery that we find religion
encumbered with in these days?”
Also Adams
“The doctrine of the divinity of Jesus is made a convenient cover for
absurdity.”
Adams signed the Treaty of Tripoli. Article 11 states
“The Government of the United States is not in any sense founded on the
Christian religion.”
Here’s Thomas Paine
“I would not dare to so dishonor my Creator God by attaching His name to
that book (the Bible).”
“Among the most detesable villains in history, you could not find one worse
than Moses. Here is an order, attributed to ‘God’ to butcher the boys, to
massacre the mothers, and to debauch and rape the daughters. I would not
dare so dishonor my Creator’s name by (attaching) it to this filthy book
(the Bible).”
“It is the duty of every true Diest to vindicate the moral justice of God
against the evils of the Bible.”
“Accustom a people to believe that priests and clergy can forgive sins…and
you will have sins in abundance.”
And; “The Christian church has set up a religion of pomp and revenue in
pretend imitation of a person (Jesus) who lived a life of poverty.”
Finally let’s hear from James Madison
“What influence in fact have Christian ecclesiastical establishments had on
civil society? In many instances they have been upholding the thrones of
political tyrrany. In no instance have they been seen as the guardians of
the liberties of the people. Rulers who wished to subvert the public liberty
have found in the clergy convenient auxiliaries. A just government,
instituted to secure and perpetuate liberty, does not need the clergy.”
Unfortunately the only thing we have on George Wasington is anecdotal.
“Gouverneur Morris had often told me that General Washington believed no more of that system (Christianity) than did he himself.” -Thomas Jefferson, in his private journal, Feb. 1800
[quote]Rohnyn wrote:
[quote]Sloth wrote:
[quote]Rohnyn wrote:
[quote]Sloth wrote:
In 1948 we were 91% Christian, according to gallup tracking. Were we an underdeveloped nation? The west developed from a highly religious people. It’s the social and financial capital of ours, the religious, that is being spent off today.
[/quote]
Lol right. The Founding Fathers were VERY religious people. Also, it was your baby boomer more religious retards that nose dived the long term finances of our nation.[/quote]
Yes, they were. And so was the US population, for a good long time.
[/quote]
Not this again. The Founding Fathers were at least half Deists if not more and largely anti-Christian.
Thomas Jefferson
“I have examined all the known superstitions of the world and I do not find
in our particular superstition of Christianity one redeeming feature. They
are all alike founded on fables and mythology. Millions of innocent men,
women, and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been
burnt, tortured, fined, and imprisoned. What has been the effect of this
coercion? To make one half the world fools and the other half hypocrites; to
support roguery and error all over the earth.”
Jefferson again
“Christianity is the most perverted system that ever shone on
man…Rogueries, absurdities and untruths were perpetrated upon the
teachings of Jesus by a large band of dupes and imposters led by Paul, the
first great corruptor of the teachings of Jesus.”
More Jefferson
“The clergy converted the simple teachings of Jesus into an engine for
enslaving mankind and adulturated by artificial constructions into a
contrivance to filch wealth and power to themselves…these clergy in fact,
constitute the real Anti-Christ.”
Jefferson’s word for the Bible? “Dunghill.”
John Adams
“Where do we find a precept in the Bible for Creeds, Confessions, Doctrines
and Oaths, and whole cartloads of other trumpery that we find religion
encumbered with in these days?”
Also Adams
“The doctrine of the divinity of Jesus is made a convenient cover for
absurdity.”
Adams signed the Treaty of Tripoli. Article 11 states
“The Government of the United States is not in any sense founded on the
Christian religion.”
Here’s Thomas Paine
“I would not dare to so dishonor my Creator God by attaching His name to
that book (the Bible).”
“Among the most detesable villains in history, you could not find one worse
than Moses. Here is an order, attributed to ‘God’ to butcher the boys, to
massacre the mothers, and to debauch and rape the daughters. I would not
dare so dishonor my Creator’s name by (attaching) it to this filthy book
(the Bible).”
“It is the duty of every true Diest to vindicate the moral justice of God
against the evils of the Bible.”
“Accustom a people to believe that priests and clergy can forgive sins…and
you will have sins in abundance.”
And; “The Christian church has set up a religion of pomp and revenue in
pretend imitation of a person (Jesus) who lived a life of poverty.”
Finally let’s hear from James Madison
“What influence in fact have Christian ecclesiastical establishments had on
civil society? In many instances they have been upholding the thrones of
political tyrrany. In no instance have they been seen as the guardians of
the liberties of the people. Rulers who wished to subvert the public liberty
have found in the clergy convenient auxiliaries. A just government,
instituted to secure and perpetuate liberty, does not need the clergy.”
Unfortunately the only thing we have on George Wasington is anecdotal.
“Gouverneur Morris had often told me that General Washington believed no more of that system (Christianity) than did he himself.” -Thomas Jefferson, in his private journal, Feb. 1800[/quote]
Friend, those aren’t all the founding fathers…
[quote]Sloth wrote:
[quote]Rohnyn wrote:
[quote]Sloth wrote:
[quote]Rohnyn wrote:
[quote]Sloth wrote:
In 1948 we were 91% Christian, according to gallup tracking. Were we an underdeveloped nation? The west developed from a highly religious people. It’s the social and financial capital of ours, the religious, that is being spent off today.
[/quote]
Lol right. The Founding Fathers were VERY religious people. Also, it was your baby boomer more religious retards that nose dived the long term finances of our nation.[/quote]
Yes, they were. And so was the US population, for a good long time.
[/quote]
Not this again. The Founding Fathers were at least half Deists if not more and largely anti-Christian.
Thomas Jefferson
“I have examined all the known superstitions of the world and I do not find
in our particular superstition of Christianity one redeeming feature. They
are all alike founded on fables and mythology. Millions of innocent men,
women, and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been
burnt, tortured, fined, and imprisoned. What has been the effect of this
coercion? To make one half the world fools and the other half hypocrites; to
support roguery and error all over the earth.”
Jefferson again
“Christianity is the most perverted system that ever shone on
man…Rogueries, absurdities and untruths were perpetrated upon the
teachings of Jesus by a large band of dupes and imposters led by Paul, the
first great corruptor of the teachings of Jesus.”
More Jefferson
“The clergy converted the simple teachings of Jesus into an engine for
enslaving mankind and adulturated by artificial constructions into a
contrivance to filch wealth and power to themselves…these clergy in fact,
constitute the real Anti-Christ.”
Jefferson’s word for the Bible? “Dunghill.”
John Adams
“Where do we find a precept in the Bible for Creeds, Confessions, Doctrines
and Oaths, and whole cartloads of other trumpery that we find religion
encumbered with in these days?”
Also Adams
“The doctrine of the divinity of Jesus is made a convenient cover for
absurdity.”
Adams signed the Treaty of Tripoli. Article 11 states
“The Government of the United States is not in any sense founded on the
Christian religion.”
Here’s Thomas Paine
“I would not dare to so dishonor my Creator God by attaching His name to
that book (the Bible).”
“Among the most detesable villains in history, you could not find one worse
than Moses. Here is an order, attributed to ‘God’ to butcher the boys, to
massacre the mothers, and to debauch and rape the daughters. I would not
dare so dishonor my Creator’s name by (attaching) it to this filthy book
(the Bible).”
“It is the duty of every true Diest to vindicate the moral justice of God
against the evils of the Bible.”
“Accustom a people to believe that priests and clergy can forgive sins…and
you will have sins in abundance.”
And; “The Christian church has set up a religion of pomp and revenue in
pretend imitation of a person (Jesus) who lived a life of poverty.”
Finally let’s hear from James Madison
“What influence in fact have Christian ecclesiastical establishments had on
civil society? In many instances they have been upholding the thrones of
political tyrrany. In no instance have they been seen as the guardians of
the liberties of the people. Rulers who wished to subvert the public liberty
have found in the clergy convenient auxiliaries. A just government,
instituted to secure and perpetuate liberty, does not need the clergy.”
Unfortunately the only thing we have on George Wasington is anecdotal.
“Gouverneur Morris had often told me that General Washington believed no more of that system (Christianity) than did he himself.” -Thomas Jefferson, in his private journal, Feb. 1800[/quote]
Friend, those aren’t all the founding fathers…
Point being? We have quotes from Thomas Jefferson, John Adams, Benjamin Franklin, Thomas Paine, Alexander Hamilton, James Madison, George Washington and Aaron Burr confirming their pejorative view of Christianity. YOU said THEY WERE CHRISTIANS, as we can see a large portion of them are obviously not, and these men represent some of those most preeminent among them. Many of those signers were simply landowners who had contributed to the movement. Further of that grand list, you still have yet to provide evidence they WERE practicing Christians. We already know these men weren’t. And even those who may have attended Mass, you have way to gauge how much oof that was political networking and who was truly beatified.
[quote]Rohnyn wrote:
Point being? We have quotes from Thomas Jefferson, John Adams, Benjamin Franklin, Thomas Paine, Alexander Hamilton, James Madison, George Washington and Aaron Burr confirming their pejorative view of Christianity. YOU said THEY WERE CHRISTIANS…
[/quote]
I said no such thing about any individual. Rohyn, my posts, the last couple relevant to this exchange are just above. Yet, you just made up statements out of thin air and attributed them to me. Do it again, and I’ll throw you on ignore with the crazies and the dishonest.
The actual exchange, and what I actually said…
I said, “In 1948 we were 91% Christian, according to gallup tracking. Were we an underdeveloped nation? The west developed from a highly religious people. It’s the social and financial capital of ours, the religious, that is being spent off today.”
You said, “Lol right. The Founding Fathers were VERY religious people. Also, it was your baby boomer more religious retards that nose dived the long term finances of our nation.”
I said, “Yes, they were. And so was the US population, for a good long time.”
You then falsely claimed that, “The Founding Fathers were at least half Deists if not more and largely anti-Christian.”
At which point I demonstrated you were full of crap.
Again, a list of the founding fathers—ALL OF THEM;
[quote]Sloth wrote:
[quote]Rohnyn wrote:
Point being? We have quotes from Thomas Jefferson, John Adams, Benjamin Franklin, Thomas Paine, Alexander Hamilton, James Madison, George Washington and Aaron Burr confirming their pejorative view of Christianity. YOU said THEY WERE CHRISTIANS…
[/quote]
I said no such thing about any individual. Rohyn, my posts, the last couple relevant to this exchange are just above. Yet, you just made up statements out of thin air and attributed them to me. Do it again, and I throw you on ignore with the crazies and the dishonest.
The actual exchange, and what I actually said.
I said, “In 1948 we were 91% Christian, according to gallup tracking. Were we an underdeveloped nation? The west developed from a highly religious people. It’s the social and financial capital of ours, the religious, that is being spent off today.”
You said, “Lol right. The Founding Fathers were VERY religious people. Also, it was your baby boomer more religious retards that nose dived the long term finances of our nation.”
I said, “Yes, they were. And so was the US population, for a good long time.”
You then falsely claimed that Not this again. “The Founding Fathers were at least half Deists if not more and largely anti-Christian.”
At which point I demonstrated you were full of crap.
Again, a list of the founding fathers—ALL OF THEM;
[/quote]
“Yes, they were. And so was the US population, for a good long time.”
^^ This. ‘They were’ as in the Founding Fathers. Also, of the men who signed the Constitution according to the your wiki, a large portion of them were Christians. We never established if being a signor of the US Consitution makes you a Founding Father, not all the men we consider Founding Fathers signed, further not all the men who signed could be considered Founding Fathers, least not in the light we present, Jefferson or Madison as.
[quote]Rohnyn wrote:
“Yes, they were. And so was the US population, for a good long time.”
^^ This. ‘They were’ as in the Founding Fathers. Also, of the men who signed the Constitution according to the your wiki, a large portion of them were Christians. We never established if being a signor of the US Consitution makes you a Founding Father, not all the men we consider Founding Fathers signed, further not all the men who signed could be considered Founding Fathers, least not in the light we present, Jefferson or Madison as.[/quote]
[quote]Sloth wrote:
Friend, those aren’t all the founding fathers…
It’s like the motherfucking fourth of July of facts all up in your face!
[quote]Sloth wrote:
[quote]Rohnyn wrote:
Point being? We have quotes from Thomas Jefferson, John Adams, Benjamin Franklin, Thomas Paine, Alexander Hamilton, James Madison, George Washington and Aaron Burr confirming their pejorative view of Christianity. YOU said THEY WERE CHRISTIANS…
[/quote]
I said no such thing about any individual. Rohyn, my posts, the last couple relevant to this exchange are just above. Yet, you just made up statements out of thin air and attributed them to me. Do it again, and I’ll throw you on ignore with the crazies and the dishonest.
The actual exchange, and what I actually said…
I said, “In 1948 we were 91% Christian, according to gallup tracking. Were we an underdeveloped nation? The west developed from a highly religious people. It’s the social and financial capital of ours, the religious, that is being spent off today.”
You said, “Lol right. The Founding Fathers were VERY religious people. Also, it was your baby boomer more religious retards that nose dived the long term finances of our nation.”
I said, “Yes, they were. And so was the US population, for a good long time.”
You then falsely claimed that, “The Founding Fathers were at least half Deists if not more and largely anti-Christian.”
At which point I demonstrated you were full of crap.
Again, a list of the founding fathers—ALL OF THEM;
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All I hear is, “THIS IS SPARTA!”
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[quote]Rohnyn wrote:
“Yes, they were. And so was the US population, for a good long time.”
^^ This. ‘They were’ as in the Founding Fathers. Also, of the men who signed the Constitution according to the your wiki, a large portion of them were Christians. We never established if being a signor of the US Consitution makes you a Founding Father, not all the men we consider Founding Fathers signed, further not all the men who signed could be considered Founding Fathers, least not in the light we present, Jefferson or Madison as.[/quote]
http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/constitution_founding_fathers.html[/quote]
Drop kick to the chest.
Rohnyn, you are actually a Christian trolling for our side, aren’t you?
Don’t worry, your secret will be safe with us. Well, except that it’s obvious to everyone reading this.
Don’t make me bring up our earlier exchange and your very, ah, artistic use of “facts.”