Betrayal: The Autoimmune Solution They're Not Telling You

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
821

So is it your stance that elective procedures are as important as necessities?

822

What does it take to change someone’s mind, if not an anonymous person shouting insults at PhD’s in the off-topic section of a bodybuilding website?

It’s like my grandpa always said. You can lead a horse to water, but you can’t always make that horse drink what’s in that puddle. Horses have pretty strong necks after all, and they may smell something in the water that you don’t, but that doesn’t change the fact that you know what’s best for the horse, and it should drink - DRINK THE GODDAMN WATER YOU DUMB HORSE!

Don’t ever change!

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823

Is it your stance people shouldn’t have a say as to what is or isn’t important to them as individuals?

Also, again, explain the difference:

and:

824

Immediately thought of this
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You don’t even know what my thoughts are on global warming


Just
Go
Away

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825

BTW, this is the Political Forum. A PhD isn’t the be-all end-all. Evidence is and if the said PhD doesn’t agree with the evidence, does that make him right?

826

Something that is a life and death situation or is fundamental to life itself takes precedence over elective procedures. There I said it, because your rigid ideology wouldn’t allow you to. Bravo, your family must be so proud.

827

As usual, you CAN’T answer the question with valid points.

828

Who would determine what is or isn’t a life or death situation??? Is there choice involved for any pre-appointed health care proxy or next of kid to determine what level of care they or the injured party would want? Or would that be predetermined by whoever decides what is deemed to be life or death?

c’mon zeppy don’t be like that - I was simply asking a question. You do know how conversations occur, right?

also you still haven’t qualified what the difference between rationed healthcare (per your quote) and how it’d be a system that covers everyone. Since I have you talking I figured I’d throw that in there too 
 here’s hopin!!

829

A doctor(s) could determine if it’s life or death. A cosmetic surgery would be an elective. Knee surgery is not as bad as something awful to do with the heart. So those who are more in need would get service more quickly. Pretty simple, huh?

830

These are 2 different things. One is surgery. the other is some vague condition. You’re making it seem like not everyone would be covered.

Would the doctor sit on a panel or would they make the determination in the heat of the moment? what if they’re wrong and they waste resources?

Need as determined by whom? How do you objectively quantify someone else’s pain?

831

You did not ask a question. Take you meds, please.

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832

Doctors can diagnose the problem and their diagnosis will tell of the severity of the problems. Once again those in need will get covered first. This is how rationing is done in other countries regarding healthcare. So everyone IS covered. Unlike the U.S. where healthcare is rationed by your bank account. Even this may not be enough because healthcare is so expensive in this country some people are driven to financial ruin.

Would the doctor sit on a panel or would they make the determination in the heat of the moment? what if they’re wrong and they waste resources? So you are trying to reference the death panels here?

Need as determined by whom? How do you objectively quantify someone else’s pain?
Heart disease is far worse than knee surgery. Which one would you rather have?

833

You couldn’t answer anyway.

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No. They’re not. One person does not have access to the care they want or think they need under rationing. Do you not know what rationing is and how it works? It’s literally deprivation of choice and control over ones life and health. You get the coverage someone else says they think you need. No other options. Again, they’re canceling 50,000 surgeries because they have no price signals. They have no way to determine where resources are needed most - they just guess based on incomplete (and out of date) data. You’re quite literally making my points for me 
 I can see now why you don’t engage people regularly.

As opposed to having a larger portion of my income taken from me so I have less choices I can make with how I live my life? Seems like a fantastic trade off


What’s preventing someone from financial ruin in these other countries? do they not have people who make poor financial decisions?

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835

Hard to answer a question that wasn’t asked. You’d know that if you had a brain.

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Why do you ask a question for which the answer is obvious? Smh, damn derelict.

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837

TAX BOOGEYMAN FUCK OFF REPUBLICAN!!!

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838

Well, yea, one’s a disease and the other’s a procedure


How about if the knee is gangrenous and belongs to an 11-year-old while the heart belongs to a 70-year-old obese smoker. Then what?

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Ayn, is that you? :smile:

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840

Not having a for-profit healthcare system would be the first obvious clue. Do they have people who are forced into medical BK?

One person does not have access to the care they want or think they need under rationing.

Who does not get necessary medical treatment in the countries who supply single-payer?

The price signals that you are referring to have worked so well in the U.S.?

Life and death are great signals to work with in determining healthcare.