[quote]rrjc5488 wrote:
The type of girl you’re trying to attract knows when to use a comma.
[quote]Lift or die wrote:
You view getting laid as some kind of holy grail I don’t.[/quote][/quote]
A semicolon is the better choice. Just sayin’.
[quote]rrjc5488 wrote:
The type of girl you’re trying to attract knows when to use a comma.
[quote]Lift or die wrote:
You view getting laid as some kind of holy grail I don’t.[/quote]
And when to use “you’re.”
[quote]Lift or die wrote:
Perhaps your right.
[/quote]
[/quote]
You are correct I could improve on how I am getting my message across, by tightening up my writing. Is that the proper use of a comma?
[quote]rrjc5488 wrote:
The type of girl you’re trying to attract knows when to use a comma.
[quote]Lift or die wrote:
You view getting laid as some kind of holy grail I don’t.[/quote]
[/quote]
Actually it’d be a semicolon dude…
[quote]Lift or die wrote:
[quote]rrjc5488 wrote:
The type of girl you’re trying to attract knows when to use a comma.
[quote]Lift or die wrote:
You view getting laid as some kind of holy grail I don’t.[/quote]
And when to use “you’re.”
[quote]Lift or die wrote:
Perhaps your right.
[/quote]
[/quote]
You are correct I could improve on how I am getting my message across, by tightening up my writing. Is that the proper use of a comma?
[/quote]
Lol, no, it isn’t.
[quote]Lift or die wrote:
[quote]Lift or die wrote:
[quote]batman730 wrote:
[quote]angry chicken wrote:
[quote]LoRez wrote:
[quote]Lift or die wrote:
[quote]LoRez wrote:
[quote]Lift or die wrote:
Do you want me to share a few stories? Is it too hard to believe that a man would turn down that short term pleasure for long term security?[/quote]
I’m sorry, but what?
How does that “short term pleasure” diminish his “long term security”? What is this “long term security” that you’re talking about anyway?[/quote]
Marriage loss of assets if divorced.[/quote]
How does avoiding premarital sex help with that? I would think avoiding marriage, sex or not, would prevent that from becoming a problem.
Firstly, again, what does this have to do with avoiding premarital sex and its relation to long term stability?
But there are tradeoffs with many things. The time you spend with one thing is time you don’t spend on something else. That said, the time you spend developing social skills, with men or women, can be time well spent. Just because you don’t see the value in a relationship (while not in a relationship), doesn’t mean there isn’t value from it. I’ve had relationships that enabled me to grow emotionally and intellectually, and even helped set me on the path to making several positive financial changes.
Yes, there are time sucking, energy sucking relationships out there… but that’s not every single one of them.
The only benefit you see from a relationship is a child?
[quote]As well I take into consideration datability. How attractive, intelligent, and emotionally (to list a few traits) stable are the women on the current dating market place… me personally based on what I evaluate my personal worth to be feel as if I am not getting a good return on investment.
I could go on but for me personally I feel as if I am not getting a good return on my time investment when engaging in relationships.[/quote]
How attractive, intelligent, and emotionally stable are you, yourself? Are you sure your personal worth isn’t inflated?
Secondly, how does working on yourself actually help this situation? How will improving yourself improve your “return on investment”? Wouldn’t it make more sense instead to spend time learning how to get more out of a relationship with less effort put in?
That’s fine, but it’s probably because you’re not at a point where you’re attracting higher quality women. It probably looks dismal because the high quality women are pursuing or involved with men that are “better” than you.
There are a number of smart, single, attractive career women in large cities who spent much of their time focusing on self-improvement that are now looking to date.
I would suggest that the problem isn’t the “dating market”, but rather your current inability to find and attract the right women.[/quote]
Also, and this is WORTH mentioning: Sex is a skill. If you spend all your time accumulating assets, building your body into specimen of kinetic perfection, etc… and FINALLY decide to attract a woman, and you succeed… but have the sexual skill set of a 14 year old, your lady will be LESS than impressed. Just sayin’…[/quote]
Unless you hold out for a woman who is also saving herself as well, I suppose. Then you can discover the whole thing together. Kind of like marrying your high school sweetheart, only in your 30’s. As orion pointed out, there are whole societies that operate this way.
Although in the context of those cultures there is a value structure and social validation to support abstinence. It’s a normal, well adjusted behaviour. In our culture, after a certain age and in the absence of any support structure, it’s more likely a sign of poor social integration (not that I think promiscuity in either gender is especially healthy in most cases).
FTR, I am not endorsing this course of action.[/quote]
Yeah for the most part I will be financially independent and start making a good wage in 1-2 years
Yeah I honestly do not really like North American society that much. I feel as if the traits and things we celebrate aren’t particularly conducive to continued success as a society so I choose not to participate in a lot of things because I fail to see the point.
So yes I am poorly social integrated but what does that exactly mean in this day and age?
[/quote]
Well, for starters you and I have a different definition of “financially independent” if yours still involves “making a good wage”. That’s beside the point.
If you plan on entering the dating market at 24-25, how long do think it will take to make all your rookie mistakes and find your way into a stable, lasting relationship (especially if you choose not to participate in things because you fail to see the point). Here’s a hint, you will very likely be in your 30’s.
I’m not trying to change your mind, BTW. If you don’t want to date, don’t.
[quote]Lift or die wrote:
[quote]batman730 wrote:
[quote]angry chicken wrote:
[quote]LoRez wrote:
[quote]Lift or die wrote:
[quote]LoRez wrote:
[quote]Lift or die wrote:
Do you want me to share a few stories? Is it too hard to believe that a man would turn down that short term pleasure for long term security?[/quote]
I’m sorry, but what?
How does that “short term pleasure” diminish his “long term security”? What is this “long term security” that you’re talking about anyway?[/quote]
Marriage loss of assets if divorced.[/quote]
How does avoiding premarital sex help with that? I would think avoiding marriage, sex or not, would prevent that from becoming a problem.
Firstly, again, what does this have to do with avoiding premarital sex and its relation to long term stability?
But there are tradeoffs with many things. The time you spend with one thing is time you don’t spend on something else. That said, the time you spend developing social skills, with men or women, can be time well spent. Just because you don’t see the value in a relationship (while not in a relationship), doesn’t mean there isn’t value from it. I’ve had relationships that enabled me to grow emotionally and intellectually, and even helped set me on the path to making several positive financial changes.
Yes, there are time sucking, energy sucking relationships out there… but that’s not every single one of them.
The only benefit you see from a relationship is a child?
[quote]As well I take into consideration datability. How attractive, intelligent, and emotionally (to list a few traits) stable are the women on the current dating market place… me personally based on what I evaluate my personal worth to be feel as if I am not getting a good return on investment.
I could go on but for me personally I feel as if I am not getting a good return on my time investment when engaging in relationships.[/quote]
How attractive, intelligent, and emotionally stable are you, yourself? Are you sure your personal worth isn’t inflated?
Secondly, how does working on yourself actually help this situation? How will improving yourself improve your “return on investment”? Wouldn’t it make more sense instead to spend time learning how to get more out of a relationship with less effort put in?
That’s fine, but it’s probably because you’re not at a point where you’re attracting higher quality women. It probably looks dismal because the high quality women are pursuing or involved with men that are “better” than you.
There are a number of smart, single, attractive career women in large cities who spent much of their time focusing on self-improvement that are now looking to date.
I would suggest that the problem isn’t the “dating market”, but rather your current inability to find and attract the right women.[/quote]
Also, and this is WORTH mentioning: Sex is a skill. If you spend all your time accumulating assets, building your body into specimen of kinetic perfection, etc… and FINALLY decide to attract a woman, and you succeed… but have the sexual skill set of a 14 year old, your lady will be LESS than impressed. Just sayin’…[/quote]
Unless you hold out for a woman who is also saving herself as well, I suppose. Then you can discover the whole thing together. Kind of like marrying your high school sweetheart, only in your 30’s. As orion pointed out, there are whole societies that operate this way.
Although in the context of those cultures there is a value structure and social validation to support abstinence. It’s a normal, well adjusted behaviour. In our culture, after a certain age and in the absence of any support structure, it’s more likely a sign of poor social integration (not that I think promiscuity in either gender is especially healthy in most cases).
FTR, I am not endorsing this course of action.[/quote]
Yeah for the most part I will be financially independent and start making a good wage career in 1-2 years
Yeah I honestly do not really like North American society that much. I feel as if the traits and things we celebrate aren’t particularly conducive to continued success as a society so I choose not to participate in a lot of things because I fail to see the point.
So yes I am poorly social integrated but what does that exactly mean in this day and age?
[/quote]
So what’s the alternative? Find a new, better society? Which one? Or opt out?
[quote]CroatianRage wrote:
[quote]Lift or die wrote:
[quote]rrjc5488 wrote:
The type of girl you’re trying to attract knows when to use a comma.
[quote]Lift or die wrote:
You view getting laid as some kind of holy grail I don’t.[/quote]
And when to use “you’re.”
[quote]Lift or die wrote:
Perhaps your right.
[/quote]
[/quote]
You are correct I could improve on how I am getting my message across, by tightening up my writing. Is that the proper use of a comma?
[/quote]
Lol, no, it isn’t.
[/quote]
LOL is an acronym.
[quote]batman730 wrote:
[quote]Lift or die wrote:
[quote]Lift or die wrote:
[quote]batman730 wrote:
[quote]angry chicken wrote:
[quote]LoRez wrote:
[quote]Lift or die wrote:
[quote]LoRez wrote:
[quote]Lift or die wrote:
Do you want me to share a few stories? Is it too hard to believe that a man would turn down that short term pleasure for long term security?[/quote]
I’m sorry, but what?
How does that “short term pleasure” diminish his “long term security”? What is this “long term security” that you’re talking about anyway?[/quote]
Marriage loss of assets if divorced.[/quote]
How does avoiding premarital sex help with that? I would think avoiding marriage, sex or not, would prevent that from becoming a problem.
Firstly, again, what does this have to do with avoiding premarital sex and its relation to long term stability?
But there are tradeoffs with many things. The time you spend with one thing is time you don’t spend on something else. That said, the time you spend developing social skills, with men or women, can be time well spent. Just because you don’t see the value in a relationship (while not in a relationship), doesn’t mean there isn’t value from it. I’ve had relationships that enabled me to grow emotionally and intellectually, and even helped set me on the path to making several positive financial changes.
Yes, there are time sucking, energy sucking relationships out there… but that’s not every single one of them.
The only benefit you see from a relationship is a child?
[quote]As well I take into consideration datability. How attractive, intelligent, and emotionally (to list a few traits) stable are the women on the current dating market place… me personally based on what I evaluate my personal worth to be feel as if I am not getting a good return on investment.
I could go on but for me personally I feel as if I am not getting a good return on my time investment when engaging in relationships.[/quote]
How attractive, intelligent, and emotionally stable are you, yourself? Are you sure your personal worth isn’t inflated?
Secondly, how does working on yourself actually help this situation? How will improving yourself improve your “return on investment”? Wouldn’t it make more sense instead to spend time learning how to get more out of a relationship with less effort put in?
That’s fine, but it’s probably because you’re not at a point where you’re attracting higher quality women. It probably looks dismal because the high quality women are pursuing or involved with men that are “better” than you.
There are a number of smart, single, attractive career women in large cities who spent much of their time focusing on self-improvement that are now looking to date.
I would suggest that the problem isn’t the “dating market”, but rather your current inability to find and attract the right women.[/quote]
Also, and this is WORTH mentioning: Sex is a skill. If you spend all your time accumulating assets, building your body into specimen of kinetic perfection, etc… and FINALLY decide to attract a woman, and you succeed… but have the sexual skill set of a 14 year old, your lady will be LESS than impressed. Just sayin’…[/quote]
Unless you hold out for a woman who is also saving herself as well, I suppose. Then you can discover the whole thing together. Kind of like marrying your high school sweetheart, only in your 30’s. As orion pointed out, there are whole societies that operate this way.
Although in the context of those cultures there is a value structure and social validation to support abstinence. It’s a normal, well adjusted behaviour. In our culture, after a certain age and in the absence of any support structure, it’s more likely a sign of poor social integration (not that I think promiscuity in either gender is especially healthy in most cases).
FTR, I am not endorsing this course of action.[/quote]
Yeah for the most part I will be financially independent and start making a good wage in 1-2 years
Yeah I honestly do not really like North American society that much. I feel as if the traits and things we celebrate aren’t particularly conducive to continued success as a society so I choose not to participate in a lot of things because I fail to see the point.
So yes I am poorly social integrated but what does that exactly mean in this day and age?
[/quote]
Well, for starters you and I have a different definition of “financially independent” if yours still involves “making a good wage”. That’s beside the point.
If you plan on entering the dating market at 24-25, how long do think it will take to make all your rookie mistakes and find your way into a stable, lasting relationship (especially if you choose not to participate in things because you fail to see the point). Here’s a hint, you will very likely be in your 30’s.
I’m not trying to change your mind, BTW. If you don’t want to date, don’t.[/quote]
When I say a good wage I mean in the ball park of 30$-45$ my first couple years of work and then a salary of 80 000-100 000 in about 3-5 years after receiving my qualifications which would be financially independent. I think we are saying the same thing here. I just want to be goal orientated in the things that I do, so the is the point of dating to have fun and learn to how to interact with woman, I guess those things are not bad and might even worth being pursuing.
[quote]Lift or die wrote:
[quote]batman730 wrote:
[quote]Lift or die wrote:
[quote]Lift or die wrote:
[quote]batman730 wrote:
[quote]angry chicken wrote:
[quote]LoRez wrote:
[quote]Lift or die wrote:
[quote]LoRez wrote:
[quote]Lift or die wrote:
Do you want me to share a few stories? Is it too hard to believe that a man would turn down that short term pleasure for long term security?[/quote]
I’m sorry, but what?
How does that “short term pleasure” diminish his “long term security”? What is this “long term security” that you’re talking about anyway?[/quote]
Marriage loss of assets if divorced.[/quote]
How does avoiding premarital sex help with that? I would think avoiding marriage, sex or not, would prevent that from becoming a problem.
Firstly, again, what does this have to do with avoiding premarital sex and its relation to long term stability?
But there are tradeoffs with many things. The time you spend with one thing is time you don’t spend on something else. That said, the time you spend developing social skills, with men or women, can be time well spent. Just because you don’t see the value in a relationship (while not in a relationship), doesn’t mean there isn’t value from it. I’ve had relationships that enabled me to grow emotionally and intellectually, and even helped set me on the path to making several positive financial changes.
Yes, there are time sucking, energy sucking relationships out there… but that’s not every single one of them.
The only benefit you see from a relationship is a child?
[quote]As well I take into consideration datability. How attractive, intelligent, and emotionally (to list a few traits) stable are the women on the current dating market place… me personally based on what I evaluate my personal worth to be feel as if I am not getting a good return on investment.
I could go on but for me personally I feel as if I am not getting a good return on my time investment when engaging in relationships.[/quote]
How attractive, intelligent, and emotionally stable are you, yourself? Are you sure your personal worth isn’t inflated?
Secondly, how does working on yourself actually help this situation? How will improving yourself improve your “return on investment”? Wouldn’t it make more sense instead to spend time learning how to get more out of a relationship with less effort put in?
That’s fine, but it’s probably because you’re not at a point where you’re attracting higher quality women. It probably looks dismal because the high quality women are pursuing or involved with men that are “better” than you.
There are a number of smart, single, attractive career women in large cities who spent much of their time focusing on self-improvement that are now looking to date.
I would suggest that the problem isn’t the “dating market”, but rather your current inability to find and attract the right women.[/quote]
Also, and this is WORTH mentioning: Sex is a skill. If you spend all your time accumulating assets, building your body into specimen of kinetic perfection, etc… and FINALLY decide to attract a woman, and you succeed… but have the sexual skill set of a 14 year old, your lady will be LESS than impressed. Just sayin’…[/quote]
Unless you hold out for a woman who is also saving herself as well, I suppose. Then you can discover the whole thing together. Kind of like marrying your high school sweetheart, only in your 30’s. As orion pointed out, there are whole societies that operate this way.
Although in the context of those cultures there is a value structure and social validation to support abstinence. It’s a normal, well adjusted behaviour. In our culture, after a certain age and in the absence of any support structure, it’s more likely a sign of poor social integration (not that I think promiscuity in either gender is especially healthy in most cases).
FTR, I am not endorsing this course of action.[/quote]
Yeah for the most part I will be financially independent and start making a good wage in 1-2 years
Yeah I honestly do not really like North American society that much. I feel as if the traits and things we celebrate aren’t particularly conducive to continued success as a society so I choose not to participate in a lot of things because I fail to see the point.
So yes I am poorly social integrated but what does that exactly mean in this day and age?
[/quote]
Well, for starters you and I have a different definition of “financially independent” if yours still involves “making a good wage”. That’s beside the point.
If you plan on entering the dating market at 24-25, how long do think it will take to make all your rookie mistakes and find your way into a stable, lasting relationship (especially if you choose not to participate in things because you fail to see the point). Here’s a hint, you will very likely be in your 30’s.
I’m not trying to change your mind, BTW. If you don’t want to date, don’t.[/quote]
When I say a good wage I mean in the ball park of 30$-45$ my first couple years of work and then a salary of 80 000-100 000 in about 3-5 years after receiving my qualifications which would be financially independent. I think we are saying the same thing here. I just want to be goal orientated in the things that I do, so the is the point of dating to have fun and learn to how to interact with woman, I guess those things are not bad and might even worth being pursuing.
[/quote]
The usual definition of financially independent is having amassed sufficient wealth and/or developed sufficient passive revenue streams that you no longer need to actively go to work to maintain yourself in a comfortable (not extravagant) standard of living for the rest of your days.
In other words, you have enough “F you” money that you never need to do a damn thing you don’t feel like doing for financial reasons ever again. This is a good spot to be in. 80-100k/yr is a good living and if you make the right moves and get a bit lucky, it can get you to financial independence in maybe 20 years. However it isn’t financial independence in and of itself if you’ve still gotta go to work to pull it down.
Either way, it’s immaterial to the topic at hand.
[quote]comus3 wrote:
[quote]Lift or die wrote:
[quote]batman730 wrote:
[quote]angry chicken wrote:
[quote]LoRez wrote:
[quote]Lift or die wrote:
[quote]LoRez wrote:
[quote]Lift or die wrote:
Do you want me to share a few stories? Is it too hard to believe that a man would turn down that short term pleasure for long term security?[/quote]
I’m sorry, but what?
How does that “short term pleasure” diminish his “long term security”? What is this “long term security” that you’re talking about anyway?[/quote]
Marriage loss of assets if divorced.[/quote]
How does avoiding premarital sex help with that? I would think avoiding marriage, sex or not, would prevent that from becoming a problem.
Firstly, again, what does this have to do with avoiding premarital sex and its relation to long term stability?
But there are tradeoffs with many things. The time you spend with one thing is time you don’t spend on something else. That said, the time you spend developing social skills, with men or women, can be time well spent. Just because you don’t see the value in a relationship (while not in a relationship), doesn’t mean there isn’t value from it. I’ve had relationships that enabled me to grow emotionally and intellectually, and even helped set me on the path to making several positive financial changes.
Yes, there are time sucking, energy sucking relationships out there… but that’s not every single one of them.
The only benefit you see from a relationship is a child?
[quote]As well I take into consideration datability. How attractive, intelligent, and emotionally (to list a few traits) stable are the women on the current dating market place… me personally based on what I evaluate my personal worth to be feel as if I am not getting a good return on investment.
I could go on but for me personally I feel as if I am not getting a good return on my time investment when engaging in relationships.[/quote]
How attractive, intelligent, and emotionally stable are you, yourself? Are you sure your personal worth isn’t inflated?
Secondly, how does working on yourself actually help this situation? How will improving yourself improve your “return on investment”? Wouldn’t it make more sense instead to spend time learning how to get more out of a relationship with less effort put in?
That’s fine, but it’s probably because you’re not at a point where you’re attracting higher quality women. It probably looks dismal because the high quality women are pursuing or involved with men that are “better” than you.
There are a number of smart, single, attractive career women in large cities who spent much of their time focusing on self-improvement that are now looking to date.
I would suggest that the problem isn’t the “dating market”, but rather your current inability to find and attract the right women.[/quote]
Also, and this is WORTH mentioning: Sex is a skill. If you spend all your time accumulating assets, building your body into specimen of kinetic perfection, etc… and FINALLY decide to attract a woman, and you succeed… but have the sexual skill set of a 14 year old, your lady will be LESS than impressed. Just sayin’…[/quote]
Unless you hold out for a woman who is also saving herself as well, I suppose. Then you can discover the whole thing together. Kind of like marrying your high school sweetheart, only in your 30’s. As orion pointed out, there are whole societies that operate this way.
Although in the context of those cultures there is a value structure and social validation to support abstinence. It’s a normal, well adjusted behaviour. In our culture, after a certain age and in the absence of any support structure, it’s more likely a sign of poor social integration (not that I think promiscuity in either gender is especially healthy in most cases).
FTR, I am not endorsing this course of action.[/quote]
Yeah for the most part I will be financially independent and start making a good wage career in 1-2 years
Yeah I honestly do not really like North American society that much. I feel as if the traits and things we celebrate aren’t particularly conducive to continued success as a society so I choose not to participate in a lot of things because I fail to see the point.
So yes I am poorly social integrated but what does that exactly mean in this day and age?
[/quote]
So what’s the alternative? Find a new, better society? Which one? Or opt out?[/quote]
Damn I wrote a long post and it just disappeared.
Find a new, better society would be my answer. The party culture and attitude of hedonism that pervades the west doesn’t particularly appeal to me. I also personally think that it doesn’t particularly lead to long term success in a society. I have a underlying philosophy that a action that benefits oneself also needs to be balanced with the benefit that it has to society. Ideally actions that benefit oneself and society are aligned so that positive enforcement can occur.
I am not saying this isn’t currently the case, I just think it could be greatly improved in regards to marriage laws.
[quote]Batman wrote: The usual definition of financially independent is having amassed sufficient wealth and/or developed sufficient passive revenue streams that you no longer need to actively go to work to maintain yourself in a comfortable (not extravagant) standard of living for the rest of your days.
In other words, you have enough “F you” money that you never need to do a damn thing you don’t feel like doing for financial reasons ever again. This is a good spot to be in. 80-100k/yr is a good living and if you make the right moves and get a bit lucky, it can get you to financial independence in maybe 20 years. However it isn’t financial independence in and of itself if you’ve still gotta go to work to pull it down.
Either way, it’s immaterial to the topic at hand.[/quote]
Ahh okay, well I do have a few ideas that I would like to turn into revenue but at this point they are just ideas. I definitely do not just want to rely on solely salary income, I want to build good sources of passive income as well
[quote]Lift or die wrote:
[quote]comus3 wrote:
[quote]Lift or die wrote:
[quote]batman730 wrote:
[quote]angry chicken wrote:
[quote]LoRez wrote:
[quote]Lift or die wrote:
[quote]LoRez wrote:
[quote]Lift or die wrote:
Do you want me to share a few stories? Is it too hard to believe that a man would turn down that short term pleasure for long term security?[/quote]
I’m sorry, but what?
How does that “short term pleasure” diminish his “long term security”? What is this “long term security” that you’re talking about anyway?[/quote]
Marriage loss of assets if divorced.[/quote]
How does avoiding premarital sex help with that? I would think avoiding marriage, sex or not, would prevent that from becoming a problem.
Firstly, again, what does this have to do with avoiding premarital sex and its relation to long term stability?
But there are tradeoffs with many things. The time you spend with one thing is time you don’t spend on something else. That said, the time you spend developing social skills, with men or women, can be time well spent. Just because you don’t see the value in a relationship (while not in a relationship), doesn’t mean there isn’t value from it. I’ve had relationships that enabled me to grow emotionally and intellectually, and even helped set me on the path to making several positive financial changes.
Yes, there are time sucking, energy sucking relationships out there… but that’s not every single one of them.
The only benefit you see from a relationship is a child?
[quote]As well I take into consideration datability. How attractive, intelligent, and emotionally (to list a few traits) stable are the women on the current dating market place… me personally based on what I evaluate my personal worth to be feel as if I am not getting a good return on investment.
I could go on but for me personally I feel as if I am not getting a good return on my time investment when engaging in relationships.[/quote]
How attractive, intelligent, and emotionally stable are you, yourself? Are you sure your personal worth isn’t inflated?
Secondly, how does working on yourself actually help this situation? How will improving yourself improve your “return on investment”? Wouldn’t it make more sense instead to spend time learning how to get more out of a relationship with less effort put in?
That’s fine, but it’s probably because you’re not at a point where you’re attracting higher quality women. It probably looks dismal because the high quality women are pursuing or involved with men that are “better” than you.
There are a number of smart, single, attractive career women in large cities who spent much of their time focusing on self-improvement that are now looking to date.
I would suggest that the problem isn’t the “dating market”, but rather your current inability to find and attract the right women.[/quote]
Also, and this is WORTH mentioning: Sex is a skill. If you spend all your time accumulating assets, building your body into specimen of kinetic perfection, etc… and FINALLY decide to attract a woman, and you succeed… but have the sexual skill set of a 14 year old, your lady will be LESS than impressed. Just sayin’…[/quote]
Unless you hold out for a woman who is also saving herself as well, I suppose. Then you can discover the whole thing together. Kind of like marrying your high school sweetheart, only in your 30’s. As orion pointed out, there are whole societies that operate this way.
Although in the context of those cultures there is a value structure and social validation to support abstinence. It’s a normal, well adjusted behaviour. In our culture, after a certain age and in the absence of any support structure, it’s more likely a sign of poor social integration (not that I think promiscuity in either gender is especially healthy in most cases).
FTR, I am not endorsing this course of action.[/quote]
Yeah for the most part I will be financially independent and start making a good wage career in 1-2 years
Yeah I honestly do not really like North American society that much. I feel as if the traits and things we celebrate aren’t particularly conducive to continued success as a society so I choose not to participate in a lot of things because I fail to see the point.
So yes I am poorly social integrated but what does that exactly mean in this day and age?
[/quote]
So what’s the alternative? Find a new, better society? Which one? Or opt out?[/quote]
Damn I wrote a long post and it just disappeared.
Find a new, better society would be my answer. The party culture and attitude of hedonism that pervades the west doesn’t particularly appeal to me. I also personally think that it doesn’t particularly lead to long term success in a society. I have a underlying philosophy that a action that benefits oneself also needs to be balanced with the benefit that it has to society. Ideally actions that benefit oneself and society are aligned so that positive enforcement can occur.
I am not saying this isn’t currently the case, I just think it could be greatly improved in regards to marriage laws. [/quote]
How does you lifting weights benefit society?
How does having enough money that makes it where you don’t have to do any work that benefits society…benefit society?
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Do you want me to share a few stories? Is it too hard to believe that a man would turn down that short term pleasure for long term security?[/quote]
I’m sorry, but what?
How does that “short term pleasure” diminish his “long term security”? What is this “long term security” that you’re talking about anyway?[/quote]
Marriage loss of assets if divorced.[/quote]
How does avoiding premarital sex help with that? I would think avoiding marriage, sex or not, would prevent that from becoming a problem.
Firstly, again, what does this have to do with avoiding premarital sex and its relation to long term stability?
But there are tradeoffs with many things. The time you spend with one thing is time you don’t spend on something else. That said, the time you spend developing social skills, with men or women, can be time well spent. Just because you don’t see the value in a relationship (while not in a relationship), doesn’t mean there isn’t value from it. I’ve had relationships that enabled me to grow emotionally and intellectually, and even helped set me on the path to making several positive financial changes.
Yes, there are time sucking, energy sucking relationships out there… but that’s not every single one of them.
The only benefit you see from a relationship is a child?
[quote]As well I take into consideration datability. How attractive, intelligent, and emotionally (to list a few traits) stable are the women on the current dating market place… me personally based on what I evaluate my personal worth to be feel as if I am not getting a good return on investment.
I could go on but for me personally I feel as if I am not getting a good return on my time investment when engaging in relationships.[/quote]
How attractive, intelligent, and emotionally stable are you, yourself? Are you sure your personal worth isn’t inflated?
Secondly, how does working on yourself actually help this situation? How will improving yourself improve your “return on investment”? Wouldn’t it make more sense instead to spend time learning how to get more out of a relationship with less effort put in?
That’s fine, but it’s probably because you’re not at a point where you’re attracting higher quality women. It probably looks dismal because the high quality women are pursuing or involved with men that are “better” than you.
There are a number of smart, single, attractive career women in large cities who spent much of their time focusing on self-improvement that are now looking to date.
I would suggest that the problem isn’t the “dating market”, but rather your current inability to find and attract the right women.[/quote]
Also, and this is WORTH mentioning: Sex is a skill. If you spend all your time accumulating assets, building your body into specimen of kinetic perfection, etc… and FINALLY decide to attract a woman, and you succeed… but have the sexual skill set of a 14 year old, your lady will be LESS than impressed. Just sayin’…[/quote]
Unless you hold out for a woman who is also saving herself as well, I suppose. Then you can discover the whole thing together. Kind of like marrying your high school sweetheart, only in your 30’s. As orion pointed out, there are whole societies that operate this way.
Although in the context of those cultures there is a value structure and social validation to support abstinence. It’s a normal, well adjusted behaviour. In our culture, after a certain age and in the absence of any support structure, it’s more likely a sign of poor social integration (not that I think promiscuity in either gender is especially healthy in most cases).
FTR, I am not endorsing this course of action.[/quote]
Yeah for the most part I will be financially independent and start making a good wage career in 1-2 years
Yeah I honestly do not really like North American society that much. I feel as if the traits and things we celebrate aren’t particularly conducive to continued success as a society so I choose not to participate in a lot of things because I fail to see the point.
So yes I am poorly social integrated but what does that exactly mean in this day and age?
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So what’s the alternative? Find a new, better society? Which one? Or opt out?[/quote]
Damn I wrote a long post and it just disappeared.
Find a new, better society would be my answer. The party culture and attitude of hedonism that pervades the west doesn’t particularly appeal to me. I also personally think that it doesn’t particularly lead to long term success in a society. I have a underlying philosophy that a action that benefits oneself also needs to be balanced with the benefit that it has to society. Ideally actions that benefit oneself and society are aligned so that positive enforcement can occur.
I am not saying this isn’t currently the case, I just think it could be greatly improved in regards to marriage laws. [/quote]
How does you lifting weights benefit society?[/quote]
Stronger, healthier people are more useful and less burdensome in any society.
[quote]mbdix wrote:
How does having enough money that makes it where you don’t have to do any work that benefits society…benefit society?[/quote]
Financially well off people drive the economy by distributing their disposable revenue through the consumption of goods and services, employing various middle class professionals, owning and operating businesses, paying more taxes and contributing directly to charities etc.
Even if you don’t work, your money does.
I didn’t put to much thought at the questions I was aiming at lift or die. You gave some good answers on his behalf though.
[quote]mbdix wrote:
I didn’t put to much thought at the questions I was aiming at lift or die. You gave some good answers on his behalf though.[/quote]
Fair enough. Pardon the interjection.
My definition of “financially independent” is earning enough money so that you don’t have to live in your parent’s basement. For young people of this generation that’s pretty decent accomplishment. Seriously.
If one were able to leverage their ability and skill to develop enough passive income to effectively “retire” at a young age, why on earth would you STOP? I mean, I’ve got plenty of assets (or “fuck you” money) including income generating property to where I could live somewhat comfortably (if I lived a very simple life) with out an income. But I have the option to make 250K a year doing something I enjoy while still having enough time to do what I want. Why would I not earn a quarter mil and have a kick ass lifestyle, the ability to help friends and family and contribute to the charities/causes that I believe in?
If I’m understanding correctly, a poster is suggesting that one should WAIT until you have enough money to RETIRE before seeking woman or dating anyone? That’s the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever heard, and I’ve read a lot of stupid shit on these boards.
Whatever, more for me - carry on.
[quote]angry chicken wrote:
My definition of “financially independent” is earning enough money so that you don’t have to live in your parent’s basement. For young people of this generation that’s pretty decent accomplishment. Seriously.
If one were able to leverage their ability and skill to develop enough passive income to effectively “retire” at a young age, why on earth would you STOP? I mean, I’ve got plenty of assets (or “fuck you” money) including income generating property to where I could live somewhat comfortably (if I lived a very simple life) with out an income. But I have the option to make 250K a year doing something I enjoy while still having enough time to do what I want. Why would I not earn a quarter mil and have a kick ass lifestyle, the ability to help friends and family and contribute to the charities/causes that I believe in?
If I’m understanding correctly, a poster is suggesting that one should WAIT until you have enough money to RETIRE before seeking woman or dating anyone? That’s the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever heard, and I’ve read a lot of stupid shit on these boards.
Whatever, more for me - carry on.[/quote]
No for the most part I just wanted to move out of my parents basement before I started dated seriously, I just feel at 22 I should have already moved out by now. What I meant when I said financially independent was not dependent on my parents for any kind of financial aid or food or shelter type.
I also realize although this is a barrier it’s not really a deal breaker for most people
[quote]angry chicken wrote:
My definition of “financially independent” is earning enough money so that you don’t have to live in your parent’s basement. For young people of this generation that’s pretty decent accomplishment. Seriously.
If one were able to leverage their ability and skill to develop enough passive income to effectively “retire” at a young age, why on earth would you STOP? I mean, I’ve got plenty of assets (or “fuck you” money) including income generating property to where I could live somewhat comfortably (if I lived a very simple life) with out an income. But I have the option to make 250K a year doing something I enjoy while still having enough time to do what I want. Why would I not earn a quarter mil and have a kick ass lifestyle, the ability to help friends and family and contribute to the charities/causes that I believe in?
If I’m understanding correctly, a poster is suggesting that one should WAIT until you have enough money to RETIRE before seeking woman or dating anyone? That’s the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever heard, and I’ve read a lot of stupid shit on these boards.
Whatever, more for me - carry on.[/quote]
My point regarding financial independence was not that once you have enough savings/revenue to be able
support yourself/family comfortably you SHOULD stop working, just that you are not truly financially independent until you COULD stop working if you wanted/needed to. At that point going to work each day becomes truly optional. You’re there because you want to be, not because you’re obliged to be. Most financial literature I’ve read defines it this way.
If you are making 100k/yr as a 25yr old guy that’s a very decent accomplishment indeed. However your income is still dependent on your ability/inclination to continue to do your job each day and your job continuing to be there each day. There is nothing wrong with this at all, but it’s not what I was taught to think of as financial freedom/independence. IMO you would be an idiot not to continue to earn and build that kick ass lifestyle, but you are financially free when you no longer need to.
Semantics maybe, but it is an important distinction to me.
Edit: I was also by no means suggesting anyone wait until they reach that point to start dating. Lift or die said he believed he would be financially independent when he started earning 80-100k a year. I disagree with that definition of financial independence. I never remotely suggested he wait until he reached either milestone before he started dating.